Update on the War in Russia

Gosh wasn’t that the site of the famous Russian victory over what remained of the German Tank army? A bit awkward losing that one on the anniversary they so enthusiastically celebrate.

Yes, still stands as the largest tank battle of all time.

Now Russians can experience the war, and see what it is like to watch parts of their country get destroyed.

They were previously content to let Putin invade and go about living their lives putting their head in the sands and following the BS propaganda that DumbMike so loves.

There is a raid into a small area of Kursk and now the Ukraine is winning the war.     Amazing propaganda.      

No one said Ukraine was winning the war, you belligerent half-wit. 

What we are seeing is that Putin has left Russia unprotected, and he does not seem in a hurry to move troops to protect Russians.
He is so focused on the war in Ukraine that he is reluctant to protect his people if it means taking soldiers away from the front line.

Ukraine has exposed to Russians that Putin does not care about them. He will sacrifice them to the front line. Now he is sacrificing civilians. All that matters to Putin is winning the war to retain power.

Even if/when Russia push Ukraine back, it is a very long border to protect on the East - while also trying to invade the South of Ukraine. Ukraine can keep launching counter-offensives all along the Eastern border, and each time Putin will have to relocate troops from the front line.

The latest reliable war news is that Russia is attacking another 2 Ukraine cities  -   Prokrovsk  and Toresk - both being key cities in the defemsive line of Ukraine.    The civilians  have been evacuated from the two cities,   \

As to the attack of Ukraine nto Kusrsk Oblast about 130 000 civillians o ut of a total ppulatio of over 2 milon people had been evacuated .   In essense the Kursk Oblast has a population of the blast is circa 2 million and the effected area is small.    The Ukraine advance has been stopped and Russia are moving more troops into the area.   The fact is that the Ukraine Army Unit will have to withdraw  soon or they will be wiped out,   

The soooner this war ends through negotiation and not through warmongering.

Ok, DumbMike - you are at the negotiating table with Putin and Zelensky - what do you propose to end the war?

What terms do you think would be acceptable to both parties through negotiation? 

Putin has already stated his terms:
1. Ukraine must cede territory (Which has the most natural resources like Gas). 

2. Ukraine must give up their right to have an army. (So they can't protect themselves from the next invasion).

3. Ukraine must not join NATO or the EU. (So that Russia can attack them again in the future)

4. All sanctions against Russia must be ended, and Putin must be allowed to travel unrestricted to any country. (This is not going to happen, even if Ukraine wins). Much of the world sees Putin as a mob boss who is not welcome in civil society). 

Zelensky has already stated his terms:

1. Russia must leave Ukraine (Permanently)
2. Russia must return Crimea to Ukraine (This broke international law)
3. Russia must sign a treaty to not invade Ukraine again.
4. Ukraine will join the EU and NATO.
5. Reparations should be paid to Ukraine for damages to Ukraine and loss of life.

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How do you propose to get them to agree on peace through negotiations?
Neither party's terms are in any way acceptable to the other.

Ukraine holds the upper hand because Russia invaded a sovereign country which is against the rules of the international order. They have the right to independence.

Putin is a cornered animal. He knows that if he loses in Ukraine, or the war goes on for too long- he is going to get a bullet in the head by one of his own. 

Self-defence can never be war-mongering - that is the aggressor alone. 
If someone punches you for no reason, you have every reason to defend yourself.

The non-Russians who support Putin are backward, it is the only explanation. Russians who support him are not much better. 

The fac is that Zelenskyy wil be in a poor condition to dictate terms and Putin will be forced to be reasonable if Trump is involved - with Harri is President the rest of the World will become embroiled in endless wars or surrender to the demands of China.

I think the negotiations will be around the agreements signed in accordance  with the Minsk agreement after an immediate ceasefire based on the istanbul discussions:-

1    The Crimea  will remain part of  Russia - that will not be on the agenda of any peace talks/  

2     Ukraine will retain its army - but will not become a member of NATO (similar to the position of Austria and Switzerland)

3     Ukraine will  re-introduce the 1991 constitution with a difference that the political structure will be based on a federal basis with the area now occupied by Russia and the area of Ukraine having their own State Parliaments - based on the USA system

4     Russia will contribute to the restoration of Ukraine - but the USA will encourage investment in Ukraine and make available $10 billion per year to undertake infrasructure re-development in Ukraine.

5     All US-operated bio-labs in Ukraine operated and controlled by the USA Government will be closed and pathogens destroyed, 

6     The USA will investigate how money donated to Ukraine since 2014 have been spent and any backhanders to USA politicians and businesses will be recovered and politicians and bureaucrats involved in corruptions shall be subject to prosecution in the USA - while Ukrainian political and  bureaucrats will be forced to donate their assets to the Ukraine Federal  Government and transgressors will be Prosecuted by the said Federal Government.   .The  money thus recovered from USA citizens will be used for reparations in Ukraine.

7      The  Ukraine Asov battali on will be eliminated in terms of the UN resolution declaring it to be a terrorist and mercenary organization will be implemented and Asov batallion invlvement in the murder of civilians in Matriopol and Odessa will be prosecuted by the Ukraine Government.   So will the Nazi-inspired Bandera Organization be banned from functionng in Ukraine and members involved shall be banned from future political involvement in Ukraine.   .

8      Russia's  involvement in civil wars and Government change in countries in Africa will cease with immediate effect.

Some backward stuff. 

  " Russia's  involvement in civil wars and Government change in countries in Africa will cease with immediate effect".

So the peace treaty between Ukraine and Russia will ensure Russia will not get involved with African politics. An utter fool

A Strong united coalition of Western lead countries will be able to assist Zelenski in his negotiations with Russia...China and Iran will be sorted at the same time...but it won't happen if Harris gets elected...

It will be he frst meeting Trump will have with Putin and the issue of Russia involvement in Africa will also be discussed.   Trump would not accept any proxy ar supporters.   In the case of Iran Congress passed a law freezing all dollar assets of Iran based on a Trump initiative,   The war was stringently appied un Bden took over and he ignored that law and illegally released hiundreds of billions to the Iran Government which they used for arming of their proxy war allies like Hamas and Hezbollah,   Alsothose in Iraq, Yemenm Syra and Libya.

Putin is no fool - in 2019 he openly supported  Biden's election as President.   He knew with his record of corruption and incompetence Biden would be a failure as President and the rest of the world will get away with murder.    Putin knows Trump is no easy person to negtotiate with and if Trump said he is going to take measures to te detriment of Russia they will be implemented..  

Trump had a record inm dealing wit Putin.   Trump during a meeting with Putn n Helsinki told Putin Russia ws breaching the nuclear arms treaty between the  USA and Rusia as to limitation f arms development a demanded adherence.   When Putin response was disappointing Trump toe up the treaty and said new negotiations must benetered into stopping te two countries to limit nuclar arms production and re-negotiation started - but was never completed.as Biden took over the Presidency.    Then there were te banning of completiion of the Nort Stream Pipeline - because it mad Germany and other countries too dependent on Russian gas provision.    Biden lift that ban and after the invasion sabptaged Germany n particular when Biden had the pipeline blown up by US marines.    Under the circumstances the Germans are struggling to survive and their coalition Governments is bound to collapse - present opnion polls indicated that the two senior partners  the CSU and Greens combined gets less votes in elections than their main enemy the AfD. with the CDU  - that Party coming second.                  .    .          

..but it won't happen if Harris gets elected...

Oh Dearie, Dearie me........says???

I...me, the one and only...it happened under their watch...they couldn't prevent it and nothing they did up to now had any tangible impact.

Oh alright I get it......if it was under Trump's watch it would so right and proper......yep!

Denny

After 4 years under Biden hav you not realized ye that he as a puppet of the major DP donors an carried out their instructions to the tee.    Harris s no diference - she is even weaker than Biden and wil be a disaster as US president when she is elected. 

As to the Ukraine War  it is according to the WEF - of which the US billionaire funders of he Democrats are members - have an objective to undermine democracy and to create a one wirld Government.    There are many examples = for instance Biden handed over ultimate cotrol of the US Health service to teh World Health Organization that who will decide on future policies  on Health issues.

The Ukraine War is one of their projects.    The War acualy started in 2014 when the CIA was involved in funding a coup in Ukraine.   Brendan - ten head of te CIA visited Kiev 4 times in the period while there were anti-Gverment protests in Kiev and  the coup ende in February 2014.   The imediat aim was toweken the Russian Government regarded s an obstacle to her future plans o a United World Government without any borders and with the fall of Putin to  sub-divide Rusia into 7 "states" with imposed Governments on those states that will destroy Russia as a country.

That is why the civil war simmered on  under Trump's presidncy - but when Biden gaied power in the USA the system became clearer,   Negotiations to stop the civil war in Eastern Ukraine stopped and efectivey undermined by the US Government.   The fact that the USA funded the Ukraine regime caused the s-called Government in Kiev a mere sub-ordinate country with al major decisions taken in Wasington.    

Zelenskyy in his eection campaign in 2019 campaigned in 2019 on the basis of stopping the civil war in Eastern Ukraine through negotiations.   He got 32% of the votes in Round 1 of the eelction and got 72% of the votes in Round 2 - based etirely on his negotiation objective.   To his horror he found out that he ahs no power to take an decisions as the then DP controlled Senate the Chairman of te Foreign Affairs Committee of the Senate who had to sign off on all foreign aid projects of the US Government - Senator Menendez - to Kiev and  Zelenskyy was told to behave or lose all foreign aid funding by the US Government.    The same Meneendez was a corrupt crook himself - he was arrestd and charge with corruption and now found guilty of all charges involving funding provided to the Egyptian Government.

In any event in October 2021 Biden met Putin in Geneva  and the latter suggested that the stuation n Ukraine should be deat wit thoug further negotiations between te USA and Russia,  Biden then promised to tell Blinken to rognize such a conference - but did not even bother to follow up on that one.

In January 2022 Macron visited Moscow to try and prevent the invasion of Ukraine and got a signed agreement from Putin that the Minsk grement of 2015 to end te civil war n Eastern Ukraine be implmented.   Putin signed that agreement and Macron went to Kiev wher Zelenskyy signed it as well.   Wthin a week before the invasin started the Ukraine Government arrested all Russian speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament - a clear breach of teh signed agreement agreed to by both Putin and Zeesnskyy.

Te matter then ent to the UN and wle most member countries codemned the Russian Invasion - but 35 countries - mostly from Africa refused to support the areement.  Biden then sent  Blinken to Pretoria to get South African Government to support the decision of te UN.   Blinken got a ecture from Foreign Minister Pandor on settlement of sisues without a war and when ehs tarted a discussion on the need for African countries to support theUSA on the sisue - Mrs Pandor got up and left the meeting - a snub of Blinken that was clear as daylight.   From Pretoria Blinken went to Rwanda - whose President that year was Chairman of te AU - and met te same fate.

When it became clear in the USA that Biden could not win the 2024 election the same funders decided to eplace him as DP presidential candidate and theatned to withhold election fundng  of the DP and they had their on coup when they got rid of Biden and he to their horror decide to withdraw from the US election  in favor of Harris.

She is another puppet of theUS funders of the Democrats - noting more.   That si wy there s no announcment of polies to be implemented by the Democrats and there will be none during this convention.   The media owned and controlled by the. same owners are now campaigning vigorousy for Harris's elcction.as President.   

In the meantime Zelnskyy and the Israeli Gvenment approached Trump to stop he wars between the ran proxies in Ukraine and the ME through negotiatin.   With Harris in charge te war situation in Ukraine and the ME will continue. and no setlements reached and China is gng to attack South Koreas and Taiwan as sure s God made little green apples,   Tht is ht 55% of teh German voters and 61% of the US voters does not support the Ukraine War and EU Governments are collapsing already.   

Witha Harris winning theeelction the world will become more usntable and further wrs will continue.and more wars will break out al over the world.   In essence the War i Ukraine are supported by the DP funders and tat s why Harris will be unable to decide n anythig theywant to happen.   

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but it won't happen if Harris gets elected...

It certainly won't happen if Trump gets elected. He's fawned over Putin for years and all indications are is that he intends to lean on Ukraine to settle.

I...me, the one and only...it happened under their watch...they couldn't prevent it and nothing they did up to now had any tangible impact.

I've a feeling no matter what Biden did regarding Ukraine you'd still criticise him. If he did nothing and left Ukraine on its own, you'd accuse him of abandoning Ukraine, if he tried to take a stronger line against Russia you'd accuse him of being reckless and risking a nuclear war.

Biden certainly hasn't been perfect on Ukraine and his decision at the moment not to allow Ukraine to strike deeper into Russia with American supplied long range missile supposedly to prevent escalation is severely hindering Ukraine's ability to defend itself and also its ability to fully exploit the initiative its gained with its Kursk incursion, its costing Ukraine lives and territory. And for what, a fear of escalation?.  I mean at this stage Russia's red lines are a joke, Russia itself is now being invaded and that hasn't triggered a Russian escalation and that's simply because they can't.

But on the other hand its complete nonsense to suggest what Biden has done so far has had no tangible impact. Ukraine would have already fallen by now if not for US aid.

Don't you ever listen?? I've asked you not to address me.... ever......1st warning.

No he doesn't, just skip over his posts. 

"But on the other hand its complete nonsense to suggest what Biden has done so far has had no tangible impact. Ukraine would have already fallen by now if not for US aid."

OK that's fair...it obviously helped a lot...and maybe Trump fails too...if he even wins the election...which is a big if anyway...who ever wins, I hope the fix inflation and do something about the wars.

Stavc

 Stop lying - why woud Putin support the eletion of Biden in 2020 if Trump fawned oer Putin.   You ave been talking  shit about tha one for years and was constantly wrong.   Trump has an agenda of putting the USA interest first - Harris and her masters does not want it - the Demcorats put the interests of the USA last and the effects are worldwide.

You may not know - but Trump stopped the final phase of construction of the Nort Stream pipeline and it was stopped utntil Biden lifted the ban.   Trump tore up the nuclear armaments  treaty because Russia cheated on it.   Trump provided arms to Ukraine after Obama refused to do so  and only supplied beds and medical equipment.   None of those facts favor Russia. or Putin.

That is why Putin openy supported the election of the weak idiot Biden as President in 2020  and that is why he supports Harris as well.  Putin knows that both were weak and corrupt shit and that makes them weaker and ignored by other countries.    In the emantime BRICS is growing stronger and the countries like Germany is in depression.     ,         

Why do you not make stud ies of sources other than propaganda BS before you write BS n site? /        .      .   

Regardless of how this conflict ends, Russia, like apartheid SA once was, will be the pariahs of the Free World.

That is hopeful expression that will vanish fast.    In the USA 62% of the voters in the USA oppose  the war in Ukraine and the result of corrupt Biden poliy and in Grmany 55% opposed the War and want peace negotiations - which Biden and his corrupt regime oppose.   There is money to enrich themseelves in the war and they are making money out of it. 

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Gen Ben Hodges on Kursk