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Where the seed of Nazism was germinated.

Started by Seb9 REPLIES670 VIEWS· 05 Apr 2022, 14:13
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SebPro2,680 posts
05 Apr 2022, 14:13
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05 Apr 2022, 14:13#1

No it's not an intended pun..


We all know it originated from Adolph Hitler but it has been a puzzle to psychologists. Here's an article on this  very subject.

My take : Self Hatred.


Admission examinations to Academy of Art.

Two months before his mother's death he had gone to Vienna to take the entrance examinations for admission to the Academy of Art. At this time he knew that his mother was in a critical condition and that it was only a matter of a few months before death would overtake her. He knew, therefore, that this easy existence at home would shortly come to an end and that he would then have to face the cold, hard world on his own. It is sometimes extraordinary how events in the lifetime of an individual fall together. The first day's assignment on the examination was to draw a picture depicting "The Expulsion from Paradise". It must have seemed to him that Fate had chosen this topic to fit his personal situation. On the second day he must have felt that Fate was rubbing it in when he found the assignment to be a picture depicting "An Episode of the Great Flood". These particular topics in his situation met have aroused such intense emotional reactions within him that he could hardly be expected to do his best. Art critics seem to feel that he has some artistic talent even though it is not outstanding. The comment of the examiners was: "Too few heads." We can understand this in view of the circumstances under which he had taken the examination.

Death of his mother.

He returned home shortly after the examinations. He helped to look after his mother who was rapidly failing and in extreme pain. She died on December 21, 1907 and was buried on Christmas Eve. Adolph was completely broken and stood for a long time at her grave after the remainder of the family had left. Dr. Bloch says: "In all my career I have never seen anyone so prostrate with grief as Adolph Hitler." His world had come to an end. Not long after the funeral he left for Vienna in order to follow in his father's footsteps and make his own way in the world. He made a poor job of it, however. He could not hold a job when he had one, and sunk lower and lower in the social scale until he was compelled to live with the dregs of society.

Vienna days.

As he writes about these experiences in MEIN KAMPF one gets the impression that it was a terrific struggle against overwhelming odds. From what we now know of Adolph Hitler it would seem more likely that this existance yielded him considerable gratification in spite of its hardships. It is perfectly clear from what Hanisch writes that with a very small amount of effort he could have made a fair living and improved his condition by painting water-colors. He refused to make this effort and preferred to live in the filth and poverty which surrounded him. There must have been something in this that he liked, consciously or unconsciously.

When we examine Hanisch's book carefully, we find the answer. Hitler's life in Vienna was one of extreme passivity in which activity was held at the lowest level consistent with survival. He seemed to enjoy being dirty and even filthy in his appearance and personal cleanliness. This can mean only one thing, from a psychological point of view, namely that his perversion was in the process of maturation and was finding gratification in a more or less symbolic form. His attitude during this period could be summed up in the following terms: "I enjoy nothing more than to lie around while the world defacates on me." And he probably delighted in being covered with dirt, which was tangible proof of the fact. Even in these days he lived in a flophouse which was known to be inhabited by men who lent themselves to homosexual practices, and it was probably for this reason that he was listed on the Vienna police record as a "sexual pervert."

Nobody has ever offered an explanation of why he remained in Vienna for over five years if his life there was as distasteful and the city disgusted him to the degree that he claims in his autobiography. He was free to leave whenever he wished and could have gone to his beloved Germany years earlier if he had so desired. The fact of the matter is that he probably derived great masochistic satisfaction from his miserable life in Vienna, and it was not until his perversion became full-blown and he realized its implications that he fled to Munich at the beginning of 1913.

Anti-Semitism.

With the development of his perverse tendencies we also find the development of his anti-Semitism. There is absolutely no evidence that he had any anti-Semitic feeling before he left Linz or that he had any during the first years of his stay in Vienna. On the contrary, he was on the very best terms with Dr. Bloch while he was in Linz and sent him postcards with very warm sentiments for slome time after he went to Vienna. Furthermore, his closest friends in Vienna were Jews, some of whom were extremely kind to him. Then, too, we must remember that his godfather, who lived in Vienna, was a Jew and it is possible that during his first year there he might have lived with this family. Most of the records of his mother's death are incorrect and place the event exactly one year after it had happened. During this year Hitler lived in Vienna but we have no clue as to what he did or how he managed to live without money during this intervening year.

All we know is that he had time for painting during this period for he submitted the work he had done to the Academy of Art the following October. He was not admitted to the examination, however, because the examiners found the work of this period unsatisfactory. Shortly afterwards, he applied for admission to the School of Architecture but was rejected. The cause of his rejection was probably inadequate talent rather than the fact that he had not completed his course in the Realschule. It is only after this happened that we find him going to work as a laborer on a construction job, and from then on we have a fairly complete picture of his activities.

We know that he had very little money when he left Linz, certainly not enough to live on for almost an entire year while he spent his time in painting. Since the date of his mother's death has been so universally distorted, it would seem that efforts were being made to cover something which happened during this intervening year. My guess would be that he lived with his Jewish godparents who supported him while he was preparing work for the Academy. When he failed to be admitted at the end of a year, they put him out and made him go to work. There is one bit of evidence for this hypothesis. Hanisch, in his book, mentions in passing that when they were particularly destitute he went with Hitler to visit a well-to-do Jew whom Hitler said was his father. The wealthy Jew would have nothing to do with him and sent him on his way again. There is scarcely a possibility that Hitler's father was a Jew, but Hanisch might easily have understood him to say father when he said godfather. This would certainly make much more sense and would indicate that Hitler had contact with his godparents before the visit and that they were fed up with him and would help him no further.

Projection.

Hitler's outstanding defense mechanism is one commonly called PROJECTION. It is a technique by which the ego of an individual defends itself against unpleasant impulses, tendencies or characteristics by denying their existence in himself while he attributes them to others. Innumerable examples of this mechanism could be cited in Hitler's case, but a few will suffice for purposes of illustration:

"In the last six years I had to stand intolerable things from states like Poland."

"It must be possible that the German nation can live its life...without being constantly molested."

"Social democracy...directs a bombardment of lies and calumnies towards the adversary who seemed most dangerous, till finally the nerves of those who have been attacked give out and they for the sake of peace, bow down to the hated enemy."

"For this peace proposal of mine I was abused, and personally insulted. Mr. Chamberlain in fact spat upon me before the eyes of the world..."

"...It was in keeping with our own harmlessness that England took the liberty of some day meeting our peaceful activity with the brutality of the violent egoist."

"...The outstanding features of Polish character were cruelty and lack of moral restraint."

From a psychological point of view it is not too far-fetched to suppose that as the perversion developed and became more disgusting to Hitler's ego, its demands were disowned and projected upon the Jew. By this process the Jew became a symbol of everything which HitIer hated in himself. Again, his own personal problems and conflicts were transferred from within himself to the external world where they assumed the proportions of racial and national conflicts.

Forgetting entirely that for years he not only looked like a lower class Jew but was as dirty as the dirtiest and as great a social outcast, he now began to see the Jew as a source of all evil. The teachings of Schoenerer and Lueger helped to solidify and rationalize his feelings and inner convictions. More and more he became convinced that the Jew was a great parasite on humanity which sucked its life-blood and if a nation was to become great it must rid itself of this pestilence. Translated back into personal terms this would read: "My perversion is a parasite which sucks my life-blood and if I am to become great I must rid myself of this pestilence." When we see the connection between his sexual perversion and anti-Semitism, we can understand another aspect of his constant linking of syphilis with the Jew. These are the things which destroy nations and civilizations as a perversion destroys an individual.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Apr 2022, 15:08
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05 Apr 2022, 15:08#2
Interesting and I wonder how many people knew about the above.
Nazism was  an off-shoot of Fascism - which was an off-shoot of SocialismCommunism is an off-shoot of Socialism.
There is no real difference between Fascism  and Communism,   Both are sworn enemies of Democracy and can only survive in a dictatorial environment.    There is in fact vey little difference between Communism and Fascism  it is normally personalities of the leadership that determines  the designation of what the ideology entails.
In the case of  Fascism  there is a basic change  - which is now been copied by Communism as well,    That is that Fascism entailed an alliance between Major Capitalists and the Fascist leadership -  which happened in Italy and Germany.   Stalin also had his capitalist partners - but not as blatantly as was the case  in Germany and Italy -  his American capitalist partners were not as high up in the rich list.
China is already more Fascist than Communist.    The worrying factor is that the ultra-rich is now effectively governing the USA and Biden is a junior partner and  puppet in that set-up.   They use the media as an extension of the Government.   There is nowadays not much more than propaganda  from the media  representing their owners beliefs and Democracy is going down the drain fast.              
 By the way - when visiting West Berlin in 1973 I stayed in a small hotel in West Berlin owned by a Jewish family.  In the  bedside drawer was  a copy of  Das Kapital.     Was not overly impressed  by that - but when I went for a walk I saw he Berlin Wall and for two days went into East Berlin I was horrified what I saw n heard from  people.    The Communist owner of the place I stayed saw nothing wrong of a place  where life was a hell-on earth.   In going to East Berlin - there is a huge monument dedicated to the Russian War and there were many Russian soldiers as well.    I started to chart with them and they were extremely friendly  and I still have some photo's where they were with me.    I found it rather weird since the military authorities  dislike people photographing soldiers as spies use it to get info on troop movements.   Anyway - I found the soldiers very friendly and they spoke fluent German - while I could understand but  only respond in  very basic kitchen German.                  .     
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Apr 2022, 18:50
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05 Apr 2022, 18:50#3

The real enigma isn't how Hitler became who he was...the real puzzle is how he convinced so many people to go along with his ideas to cause the chaos and evil that he did.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Apr 2022, 20:10
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05 Apr 2022, 20:10#4

"The real enigma isn't how Hitler became who he was...the real puzzle is how he convinced so many people to go along with his ideas to cause the chaos and evil that he did."

This from a Trumpanzee!

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
05 Apr 2022, 20:21
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05 Apr 2022, 20:21#5

Trump used similar tactics to Hitler. He appeals to the poor and dumb conservatives, also known as Trumps base. Everything is society is terrible, and only one man can fix it. 

America is unhappy because the richest 3% get richer, and everyone else gets poorer. They have lost faith in the system, and Trump took the opportunity, and almost ended Democracy with his attempts to overturn the election.

Trump has to go to jail, but America must admit the problem (as should other Democracies) that the government needs to work for everyone, not just the shareholders that pay their bribes. 




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Apr 2022, 06:06
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06 Apr 2022, 06:06#6

The fact is the lies keep coming - how can a protest of about 700 unarmed people be an attempt to overturn an election?    There has been lots of proof of  fraudulent voting investigated and the proof is still being collected and more and more people charged with election fraud .    In court cases allegations of voter fraud has been proved and is ongoing in  court cases.   

So the tactics of lies about Russian Collusion used by the Democrats is true and that was fair and good.   There is zero proof that  Trump in 2015 and in 2020 used Hitler's methods to secure election.   Why does Trump need to go to jail and for what?  He did not incite violence at all and never did - if you can find any proof of that then produce it - not BS Democratic Party  and media propaganda.   Everything the Democrats accused the Republicans of is what they routinely do.  Their present attacks on the US Constitution - in other words attacks on Democracy - are  relentless and the Courts ruled on a number of issues and declare it invalid. 

Trump never contravened the Constitution  and the fact is that a substantial number of the Biden mandates have been declared invalid and unlawful.    The fact is that the real threat to Democracy does NOT come from the Republican Party - it comes from the Democrats who already fear for the midterm election outcomes only 7 months away.   They are now making promises about for instance Police protection - but they lied about so many court cases that turns sour for them that nobody believes any promises  they make and their own areas are the ones where people are buying firearms to protect themselves and local administrations keep cutting budgetary allocations to Police.    Their  efforts to use demarcation of House Districts in for instance New York State was so crude the Courts threw it out.   They did the same in other States like Illinois and California and the court cases of crooked demarcations are mounting up seven months before the election is to take place.   All this in a desperate effort to cut losses in the upcoming election.

So lets wait and see their next move.  The 2020 election was preceded  by deadly riots and destruction of businesses in inner cities amounting to billions of dollars by rioters organized and funded by the Democratic Party.  Are we going to see the same this year when everything  else failed to convince the electorate to vote for them?  

By the way you have a point - the top rich spent billions of dollars to engineer the Biden victory in 2020 and that is a fact as well.   The first thing is that Biden promised he would make them pay more taxes - but unconstitutionally Biden included so may unrelated matters to that Build Back Better Bill that chances of it ever passed is zero.     So in terms of his latest mandate the rich will pay less tax this year than they did in 2020 - while raising their assets by at least 25%  in the period.    The Democrats are totally controlled by the Big Tech companies and Biden is their puppet.     To claim that something should be done to stop  the present calamity is  a joke - start with their control over Biden  and the mandates he issues and you can really see who is controlling the Democrats and the ultra-corrupt Biden crime family.   Look no further than the billionaires and the Chinese Government and you ge t the answer.                              .        

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Apr 2022, 07:48
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06 Apr 2022, 07:48#7

"This from a Trumpanzee!"

Yet he started no new wars, the world was way less chaotic and generally a safer place while he was at the helm...but yeh, Orange Man bad.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Apr 2022, 07:56
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06 Apr 2022, 07:56#8

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Apr 2022, 09:18
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06 Apr 2022, 09:18#9

By the way when we point out their were problems caused by the Biden White House in April 2021 - the counter-attack by Rooinek and SB were to point out the favorable opinion poll ratings of Biden.   The Virginia and New Jersey election outcomes this year sent the Demcorats into panic stations and now the problem is the leftist media are starting to attack Biden as well - eg the Hunter Biden laptop is recognized as real in October 2020 the story was that it was Russian disinformation and banned by the internet platforms and ignored by the leftist media - now it is recognized as really Hunter's own laptop.  

Despite the fact that the FBI is not doing any investigation there has been Grand Jury hearings and the actual truth is emerging,    Joe and Hunter Biden have  joint cheque and credit card accounts and Joe's claim that he does not know about the activities of his son is an outright lie.   

Tucker claims that the latest rash of comments in the leftist media indicates that the Democrats want to get rid of Biden - but how is that to be done is not clear.   I think it is likely that the House will be taken over by the Republican Party in November and when they start investigating Biden and either consider a Section 25 discharge of Biden or a  impeachment charge - the Democrats will not oppose it or if they did will do so flounderingly and he would be a goner and the Democrats will then start looking for an alternative Presidential candidate in 2024.  

Talk about brainwashed site idiots - Rooinek and SB take the cake.           

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SebPro2,680 posts
07 Apr 2022, 20:56
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07 Apr 2022, 20:56#10

Well, Ol'Maaik we have posters here that in the past have given a criticism on a rugby game they did not watch. Others that pass criticism on the biblical scriptures that said Christ was born on Easter day or that Christ's resurrection was on Christmas day. The same poster says RT News is bullshit but he has never watched. They are experts on Russian history but think the civil war was started by Russia in February this year. They think all Russians are evil monsters and that their president is like Hitler, even though one of the major reasons for the military operation is to eliminate the growth of Neo Nazism in both Ukraine and Russia and that they reason he wants to extend his territory and invade the world. Some also believe he is the richest man in the world, because some site on Google says so, even though his first love of enjoyment is in remote nature , either fishing , hiking or hunting with ordinary equipment and simple campsites made from timber in the forest. He has 700 luxury motor vehicles and a private jet, with a toilet seat made of solid gold.

 Everything including Russian music, writers must be banned although these composers and writers were born 100 years or more ago.

They also believe everything Russian is bad and everything from Yankee Doodle is good. Big Brother is the saviour of the world and everyone must fall in line or else be punished until they tow the line.

 Some of these experts believe that mankind and other living creatures came into being from nothing or from some other process of evolution and say only science is the measure of reality, ignoring that science itself was created and that the law of conservation of mass states that in a chemical reaction mass is neither created nor destroyed.

A continual panel of experts that criticise others minor irrelevant mistakes.You can almost hear the clanging of the pots in the cupboards of Ruckers forum calling the kettles black. It's too funny yet sad and pathetic in reality.


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