FIXTURESNo upcoming fixtures — check back soon.
FORUM / MIKES GRIPES /  Who was the weakest, the most corrupt and most murderous President the USA ever had

Who was the weakest, the most corrupt and most murderous President the USA ever had

Started by clevermike17 REPLIES736 VIEWS· 09 Jan 2020, 13:30
SHAREXFACEBOOKWHATSAPPTELEGRAMREDDITLINKEDIN
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jan 2020, 13:30
#1
09 Jan 2020, 13:30#1

This would be a nice one to stir the pot a bit with this thread.


The Weakest President Ever

This is a close race with a winner by a short head  being as follows:-

1   Obama

2   Carter

3   Clinton

Obama had too many red lines which he said countries should never be crossed  and cross they did with impunity - ignoring his threats totally,   He withdrew the USA troops from Iraq and when ISIS was threatening to conquer Iraq he sent back some troops with instruction to hold their own and never to try and defeat ISIS,    He tried to bribe Iran into signing a Nuclear Armaments Deal and ignore the consequences,   His trade deals never protected the interest of his own people allowing his protegees from relocating industry to other countries - where labour was cheap and allow other countries to raise tariffs on American Goods, while their goods were allowed free entry in the USA market.   When treaties were broken by his partner countries he just ignored it, 

Carter ruined his reputation totally with the US Embassy attack and the holding of 52 USA hostages in 1979-80.   He tried to negotiate their release - but got nowhere because he was negotiating from a position of weakness,   They were soon release after Reagan's election after Reagan sent Schultz to Teheran with one message - release the hostages or there is war,   The Iranians quickly comply with that and he 52 hostages were released promptly,   Carter was also involved in active steps to undermine the Shah of Iran - who amongst others tried to modernize Persia by for instance giving women the right to vote and did away with the death penalty for opponents, but Carter thought it right to rather allow the Muslim fanatics to take over Iran - ignoring what a dangerous situation that would create.

Clinton did nothing other than have sex with any female he could get hold of - who would blame him with Hillary as his wife.  He was in fact a strong supporter of Epstein and did everything to protect the guy.  That relationship lasted into the recent past,  Near to a do nothing president allowing Muslims into the country who later blew up the Twin Towers and other atrocities on 9/11.

Who was the most crooked President

Easy to state:- 

1    Obama

2    Clinton 

3    Johnson

Obama

Obama used the Zuma method - fill up the FBI with senior personnel with pliant officials and do the same with the Justice Department - that would prevent the shenanigans of him and his cronies being exposed.   The most serious case were the following:-

*    The Uranium 1 deal -  $145 million paid into the Clinton Foundation by the Russians for services rendered by Hilary as Secretary of State.   The FBI investigated the deal and was then told by Obama to stop the investigation.  This may raise its ugly head soon.

*    The corrupt Ukraine loot involving Clinton, Biden,  Kerry, Pelosi, Podesta and Schiff,  All of them was involved on looting in Ukraine.   Obama and Biden stopped the corruption investigation of Burisma - a company who laundered millions of dollars in aid money back to the corrupt senior politician beneficiaries in the USA,  There is proof of $28 million paid from IMF assistance through a  Ukrainian banker handling the grant to the Clinton Foundation.  There was a $16 million kickback paid to beneficiaries in the USA - inclusive of Biden and Kerry,    Pelosi and Schiff was involved in corrupt companies operating in the Ukraine - the first two through their children. 

*    Podesta was involved in Ukraine dealing with money laundering together with his partner Paul Manaford.  The Ukrainians decided to hand a black book on Manaford to the FBI - but his business partner Podesta got away with murder - Manaford was the campaign manager of Trump and Podesta the campaign manager of Clinton in the 2016 presidential election,    Even though  in the Mueller report reference is made to the Podesta companies involved together with Manaford in Ukraine - Manaford was jailed and no charges were laid against Podesta.  This was routine - if somebody was linked to Trump lay charges - when linked to the DP seniors don't charge them.

*    Schiff was closely associated with Soros - who paid his study costs and later election campaign costs when he ran for election to the House.   He is also linked to Boris Pasternak - a Russian who ran an arms manufacture company in  Ukraine to which millions of dollars were paid from US aid funds,   Some of that money found its way back to the USA through Soros and Schiff who used the money for undermining the USA.   Further investigations in the above is still being undertaken.   The son of Pelosi was also involved in the Ukraine and she even made a video promoting her sons company activities in Ukraine.   

*    The son of Pelosi and Podesta was also involved in Russia,  Pelosi's son was a board member of  company so involved in corruption and money laundering in and from Russia that the Californian Justice Department withdrew their license to operate in the USA,  The one director was from the USA - the other from Russia.    Podesta was also involved in a USA company in which a Russian State owned company invested $35 million initially and later increased the investment to $200 million.  In return Podesta was given 75 000 shares in the Russian State-owned company.   When Podesta was appointed to a position in the White House he did not declare his assets since he transferred it to a company owned by his daughter, 

*    China invested $1,5 billion in a company owned by Biden's son and Kerry's stepson and appointed a Chinese banker as a Board member of the company.  Where that money went nobody knows - but investigations are ongoing.  In a paternity case opened against Hunter Biden an investigation by a private company indicated it was laundered.  Be  as it may Obama signed a Trade Deal with China after that money arrived in the USA and Biden declared that China was no threat to the USA. 

When elected as Senator Obama declared assets of $100 000 dollars and he was in the Senate for four years before elected as President he did not change that valuation.  At present he is  worth somewhere around $50 million.  Where did that money come from?????

Clinton

Clinton when Governor of Arkansas was involved in -

*   the Whtewater scandal that forms a whole  series of involvement of the Clinton's in the scandal; and

*   drug trafficking operations in Arkansas,  

Hillary Clinton made a rather surprising admission a while ago,  In it she said that if Fox News  was in existence in 1992 Bill Clinton would never have been the President,   There were too many scandals attached to the Clintons while Governor of Arkansas.   

Since then the Clinton's started the Clinton Foundation through which hundreds of millions of dollars were laundered for the benefit of the Clintons.   Starting off with no assets when became  President - he is extremely wealthy now,   The money all went through the Clinton Foundation   

Johnson

Johnson was for  very good reason in reality a one-term president,  Anybody granted an interview by him that could have business implications had to carry a bag of money to pay for the privilege,   He could have been ending up in jail if he ran for re-election and he opted out,  

The most Murderous President

1   Bill Clinton

2   Teddy Roosevelt

The alleged body count is 43 - if Epstein is to be included,   The problem is that too many people - who was on the point of giving evidence in criminal cases  involving the Clintons suddenly died -

*   through committing "suicide"; or 

*   died in mysterious air crashes,
Most of the deaths are listed as suicides , but there are also  a number of murders that has not been solved. It is unknown  whether Bill is behind it or whether Hillary is the real culprit,  Most Americans  think the latter.     
Th fact is that William McKinley was assassinated it was not clear whether his Deputy at the  time - Teddy Roosevelt - was actually involved in the plot to kill McKinley.  There are still historians that think there may be a link.                     
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 Jan 2020, 13:45
#2
09 Jan 2020, 13:45#2

Weakest: Bozo

Most corrupt: Bozo

Most murderous: Bozo

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jan 2020, 14:40
#3
09 Jan 2020, 14:40#3

Rooinek

I gave ample reasons as to my selection and there is even ample proof of what I wrote,   You cannot just make a statement and give no reasons why you make that statement,   At this stage your observations is worthless and totally so.   Reasons and background please.        


RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 Jan 2020, 15:23
#4
09 Jan 2020, 15:23#4

Ou Maaik, everything you ever write on politics or history is the biggest load of ignorant and brainwashed garbage and I don't bother reading it. Ever. I may skim through it on occasion but it's always the same . . . Democrats are terrible, Obama was awful, the Clintons are bad etc etc . . . so I seldom bother.

"You cannot just make a statement and give no reasons why you make that statement, "

I'm not making statements, dumbo. I'm simply replying to the questions you posed in your heading  . . . and note that I'm the only poster who has replied to date so be grateful anyone is responding to your repetetive and one-eyed drivel. 

Now, if you don't like the answers then don't ask the questions. It's as simple as that.

CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
09 Jan 2020, 15:27
#5
09 Jan 2020, 15:27#5

Yet no e of them got impeached for any of these proven facts?

Amazing, Nixon obviously got stiffed then 

Tell me are all those proven facts or just conspiracy nut jobs view of thing?

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
09 Jan 2020, 15:30
#6
09 Jan 2020, 15:30#6

This is just a copy and paste from the Republican tabloid newspapers targeted at the religious redneck simpletons in order to gain votes. The net also unintentionally catches the liken in some other countries, 

Try looking at other sources of information such as international news publications- both left and right wing.




RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 Jan 2020, 15:54
#7
09 Jan 2020, 15:54#7

.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jan 2020, 16:21
#8
09 Jan 2020, 16:21#8
The 5 Presidential low points of the last 50 years:
1 The Watergate Cover up.2 The response to the US Embassy occupation in Iran3 The Lewinsky scandal4 The invasion of Iraq5 The Benghazi response.
And the most delusional foreign policy ideas were nation building in the Middle East and the Arab Spring.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Jan 2020, 16:36
#9
09 Jan 2020, 16:36#9
I loved the way Obama came across Mike you are speaking kak
CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
09 Jan 2020, 17:01
#10
09 Jan 2020, 17:01#10

And whats wrong with a gobbie, all i can say is lucky bastard.

Amazing you can pit something like that over the invasion of Iraq that cost how many lives?

Good to see there are still puritans that think sex is worse than the deaths of  100,000s of lives

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jan 2020, 17:33
#11
09 Jan 2020, 17:33#11

Dave

Sorry - but Obama was as crooked as hell.   The fact is that when Trump asked about Hunter Biden's activities as a Board member of  Burisma and the threat of Biden if the  Prosecutor investigating corruption by Birusma is not fired $1 billion in US aid money would be withheld, the senior DP officials involved panicked and started with impeachment in the hope that that may draw away attention from their own misdeeds.

The problem with the DP members are that Assange got hold of their e-mails and that confirm what they were up to.   In the Biden case the money was transferred from Ukraine to Latvia - from there to Cypress and from there  to the New York account of a company of which Hunter Biden is a Board member,    The matter went to court in Latvia where the handler w as charged and convicted of money laundering and the Latvian Government informed the Ukrainian  Government on what was going on.   

There is loads of proof of what I wrote available and the whole story is a hell hole of corruption.  Obama was from Chicago and another person from that city was Al Capone, much  admired for his generosity by all people who met him - but he was as vicious as hell.  Obama appeared to be a nice guy - but indications are he was crooked and if Trump is re-elected and the present investigations finalized, Obama will go to jail; unless Trump pardon him.   

Clinton won't be pardoned - he will have to face charges stemming from the Epstein story.         

I should have added Bush Junior to the list.      

               

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jan 2020, 17:42
#12
09 Jan 2020, 17:42#12

Mozart

I should have included Watergate  but did not because Nixon effectively got fired because of it,   I also did not include the Russian Hoax story - in fact a bigger scandal than Watergate to my mind - because the investigations on it is ongoing,    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jan 2020, 17:47
#13
09 Jan 2020, 17:47#13

Rooinek 

Wrong - the impeachment of Clinton stemmed from the fact that he lied under oath about the Whitewater scandal to the Special Investigator dealing with the case,   Please foind some real proof about what you wrote above please,  Cartoons will not do,         

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jan 2020, 17:47
#14
09 Jan 2020, 17:47#14

Rooinek 

Wrong - the impeachment of Clinton stemmed from the fact that he lied under oath about the Whitewater scandal to the Special Investigator dealing with the case,   Please foind some real proof about what you wrote above please,  Cartoons will not do,         

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jan 2020, 17:47
#15
09 Jan 2020, 17:47#15

Rooinek 

Wrong - the impeachment of Clinton stemmed from the fact that he lied under oath about the Whitewater scandal to the Special Investigator dealing with the case,   Please foind some real proof about what you wrote above please,  Cartoons will not do,         

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
09 Jan 2020, 17:57
#16
09 Jan 2020, 17:57#16

Weakest......Carter.

Most Corrupt..........Obama and Clinton.

Strong and Patriotic............Regan and Trump.

War cannot be classified as murder and made against anyone President as it is a case of one or more countries at war with another country. Supported by both houses of Congress.

But one President did annihilate many thousands with nuclear bombs. 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jan 2020, 17:59
#17
09 Jan 2020, 17:59#17

'What's wrong with a gobbie'.....that says it all. The most powerful man in the world taking advantage of an impressionable young girl in  the White House. An offense that would have gotten any CEO in the USA fired. You couldn't have had a more disproportionate relationship and a more inappropriate venue.


Add his trips on Epstein's plane and relationships with Weinstein and you have a man who couldn't control his impulses  and by his actions said to the world of men that any vulnerable young girl is fair game.

The worst symbolic act in  the modern history of the Presidency.

The second worst was Obama flying a plane full of cash to give to Iran. The gangster playbook.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jan 2020, 18:45
#18
09 Jan 2020, 18:45#18

SB

No a lot of it is from Assange and his hacking of the e-mails of the individuals involved.  Others are from Wikipedia - eg the White Water scandal - others from the internet dealing with specific issues,   Some of it came from the New York Times from an era they did report news constructively.   

Ukraine was  the playground where money was made by corrupt US politicians syphoning off aid money both from the USA and the IMF.  Fact is that $5,7 billion vanished without a trace and no one knows where it went to,   

Hunter Biden was with Biden on Air Force 2  when they went to China before their $1,5 billion  windfall.   

Biden was stupid enough to brag about the $1 billion loan withholding from Ukraine and he now claimed that the Ukraine prosecutor was corrupt and that was the reason why he was to be fired,  Only problem is a month before Biden was insisting the prosecutor be fired -  the house of the Burisma Chairman was searched looking for evidence for the prosecutor.   The Chairman phoned Obama and Biden phoned the Ukraine President three times in two weeks before going to Ukraine to get the Prosecutor fired,  

The day after the Prosecutor was fired - two lawyers from the US Justice Department came as advisors to deal with corruption and all they did was to bury the Burisma case.   There has been repercussions in an Austrian court as well.    The FBI wanted an Ukrainian billionaire extradited to the USA, but evidence submitted painted a very ugly picture as to what really was going on,  

There was a claim made in the Ukraine Parliament for the investigating if money stolen by  the  last two Presidents of the USA  through Blackrock - a company linked closely to Obama through his Secretary for Homeland Security,   An amount of $5,7 billion was mentioned - which represents virtually all the aid money from the IMF and the USA .                          

— END OF THREAD —

More from Mikes Gripes