Yet another mass killing in the US . . .

And yet again, it's not an Islamic terrorist, it's not a Honduran migrant and it's not a Mexican druglord . . . it's a white male ex-marine who killed 12 people in Thousand Oaks.

When are the Yanks going to sort out their gun issues? Before anyone reminds me that California has among the tightest gun control laws, yes, but what does that matter if you can buy an assault weapon in Arizona without requiring a permit or registration? You're only as tight on gun control as the least strict state.

Bozo has been trying to put the fear of god into Americans, warning against the dangers of immigrants, Mexicans, Muslims, migrants, globalists and goodness knows what else but as long as he's creating so much hate and division, the enemy lies within . . . as all these shootings prove.

Talking of migrants, in the build up to the Midterm elections I would conservatively estimate that Bozo was tweeting 3 or 4 times a day about the "invasion" of the Honduran Caravan and how he was sending the army to save everyone . . . yet since the elections there hasn't been a peep. Bozo hasn't mentioned the caravan even once.

I wonder how long it will take the red-faced Trumpanzees to admit it was all a political stunt and they fell for it . . . hook, line, sinker, rod, fisherman, jetty, beach and seaboard.

According to the papers - the guy was a machine gunner in Afghanistan who suffered from post-traumatic depression.   Gun laws change would be meaningless in such a case,   

However,  I do agree the gun laws in the USA are far too lax - but who will change it.   The Democrats under Obama shouted and screamed - but what did they do?   Near to zero. 

The problem is with the US Constitution and nobody has the guts to change the Constitution.   To do that they need 34 States to agree to a change - making it impossible.   Any substantial law change will not be legal without a change to the Constitution.    

Knife attack in Melbourne being treated as terrorism

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world

/australasia/melbourne-terror-

attack-bourke-street-gas-canisters-cbd-stabbing-police-victims-suspect-australia-a8625481.html

Bloody Aussies and their knife issues.

"Bloody Aussies and their knife issues."

Rooinek 

The worst atrocities over the past year as far as the number of casualties are concerned were -

*   by Muslim fanatics  (ie in Florida and California);

*   by an individual with obvious far leftist leanings (ie in Denver); and

*   by people with serious mental disorders like happened in the case quoted by you, as well as the recent church attack.

How can any of the above actually be blamed on Trump inciting violence.   As stated before I am not a Trump supporter - but reality should be taken into account and not automatically be blamed on Trump.

The situation as to the gun laws issue and the banning of gun ownership is questionable and problematic in the USA.   There are in fact restrictions stopping certain categories of people not qualifying for gun ownership - but it is very difficult to administer.

However, the main problem remains - the huge number of guns owned by gangsters and other criminals  and the flow of guns into the country by illegal entrants from especially Mexico and other drug producing countries.   That problem will not be solved by banning gun ownership by  law-abiding citizens.  

The same applies to SA - where there are constantly armed robberies and murders committed by gangs bearing illegal firearms.   Farm attacks are normally carried out by well-armed criminals and disarming farmers would just lead to giving criminals a free hand to attack them even more.

The ideal of gun free societies with very little negative consequences in some countries works - but the negatives in most counties - also the USA - cannot just be ignored on a noble idea that it would end gun violence in countries. 

On the other hand in countries where private ownership of fire0arms are severely restricted,  new ways of attacking civilians are being used.   We have seen heavy vehicles being used, knife attacks and other forms of weaponry being used in countries where the moral attitudes in countries have gone down.                   

@ Denny,

Not having a go at our convict brethren, just making a point about gun control. Australia has in more recent years heavily restricted their gun laws.

Terrorists be they domestic, foreign, religious or just plain nutters are going to find a way to kill and maim others. 

Take away their guns and they turn to knives, restrict knives and they start using acid or vans like we've seen in the UK. Just this week restrictions are being placed on products that contain sulphuric acid in an attempt to stop acid attacks.

What next assault microwaves? Bannings of Weber Skottels?

More and more the p olice of the World are becoming a responsive force rather than a preventive one.

Gun control controls only legal guns, effectively disarming law abiding citizens. 

@xavi

No problem, it's just that you came across as meaning there's a knife problem in Oz. I think our gun control is up there with the best in the world if not a world leader. I'm not saying that a lunatic won't go on a killing spree but after the Port Arthur massacre the PM of the day John Howard certainly got it together and put in place measures to stop mass killings. The results speak for itself.

Just by the bye....do u live in Oz?

@ Denny, no mate, UK.

@ Sharkbok, if an intruder breaks into my place, He best hope he's got a gun or he meets messieurs Gunn @ Moore, 6 and out if He goes over the fence!!

If the Police are the only ones who have guns, who polices the police?

Also I think there's already a place like the one you describe...... Venezuela.

My Grandfather was shot on the farm by somebody with a homemade gun and I shit you not a kid could make one.

11 km away were Umhlali police and we (travelling from Durban South) beat them to the farm. Fastest that poor Passat ever went.

He managed to return fire with his pistol and scare them off, this was in 1995 so long before the farm attacks really took off.

And Rooie has left the building.

Rooi, I don't even own a gun...and as for the other insults, I take it from whence it comes...

Edit. DP

"Own a gun"...and it was obvious for all but your pedantic self. Petty fooldom at its best!

Maybe everyone should have their own gun, or perhaps also their own personal nuclear bomb.

I would probably rather be stabbed than shot, and probably rather be shot than blown up with a nuclear bomb.

Ideally, no one was allowed any weapon. This is not going to work everywhere - especially not in Africa where it would not be possible to enforce the law.