Djokovic GOAT

Not sure if you caught this Clever, but the man you said was done 3 years ago just won his third major of the year….and is now tied with Margaret Court for the most ever.

Just thought I should provide you this safe zone to retract your original claim and congratulate the man, who by the way was simply dominant.

I saw it in the News...

I'll stick around to hear Mike congratulate what is a ridiculously impressive achievement.

Over to you, Mike...

He's the greatest tennis player ever. The only question now is whether he's the greatest in ANY sport.

I wouldn't hold my breath for ou Maaik though . . . admitting he said something wrong is not really one of his . . . ummm . . . strengths.

I congratulated him already and is rather pleased with his victory since I laid a bet of R125 with Betway that he would win and it was a nice return for my money.  

The problem is that I consider many performances of Djokovic - not only the Maters tournaments. like Mozart does.   I questioned his performances in 2021 based on what happened after he won the Australian Open that year.   He lost the Dubai tournament to a unknown in Round 2 and then stayed out of the USA tournaments  in Indian Wells and Miami.    He then started to play again in he European clay court season in Europe with two exceptions - he lost in Round 1 in  Monte Carlo against Dan Evans and lost badly in his home tournament held in Banja Luka against Rublev in the final - his score being 2-6, 6-4, 0-6.

That is why I expressed reservations about his future career in tennis at the time - the signs were all bad.    In 2022 he did nit win anything until the Italian Open and Wimbledon in the absence of the injured Alcaraz - meaning 3 o the Top 10 players were absent from the tournament which was in fact regarded as a Exhibition Tournament in view of the banning of Russians from participation.   He played in for instance the Paris ATP 1000 tournament where he lost to Rune in Round 1.  He had enough points for the year to get into the prestigious EOY Championship weakened by the absence of Alcaraz due to injury and managed to win that one. 

He did better this year in tournaments limited to winning in Melbourne, Paris by accident and injury to Alcaraz in the final.  Until the end of he New York tournament he was the second ranked player in the World  Tennis and now became the highest ranked player again.   Aside fro the 3 majors he won nothing else he played in this year.   So in 2023 there was a recovery in his performances - but I seriously doubts whether that would continue in 2024.

Dimmest of the Dim Rooinek I never denied that Djokovic was not the best tennis player ever - I merely deal with  his performances since 2021.    

Unlike Mozart and his hatred of certain sportsmen in all codes of sport where he openly admit he is biased I watch sport and look at facts and not hatred spreading in what I write on site.   I do no throw a verbal party after a match because a player lose matches like Mozart does no site - like happened in the case of Murray who beat Alcaraqz last year or was injured and lost against Djokovic in Paris this year.   A sickening way of dealing with issues by a mentally sick indi vidual.   I STAY WITH PROVEN FACTS WHEN WRITING ANYTHING ON SITE.

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Mozart

Why did you lie about me not congratulating Djokovic on his winning the US Open?  I could not do it earlier than 01:06 on 11 June 2023 since we had loadshedding at the time and could not get into the program earlier.    Your above posting was registered after I congratulated him - so you were caught lying again.

Apology called for idiot.          

This is what Clever posted shortly after the Joker won: 

‘One thing is to my mind clear - I do not think Djokovic will win a single Gran d Slam title next year.   If he does it will be with the luck of a pox-doctor.    

You lied about me not congratulating Djokovic for his win - stinker.    Time for apology overdue - but then lying is your way of carrying on - so nothing expected.     

We are extremely fortunate, to be able to witness the best ever, in Djokovic...

Given all the greats that have been around just in the last 40 years.... what he has achieved alone is just incredible.

Mike, you unfortunately do not have a great reputation when it comes to ...err ... telling us that the sky is blue.

If something doesn't add up.... it's usually because somewhere along the line... the truth was not included into the equation.

DA

I recognized that Djokovic is a TENNIS GREAT.   Unlike Liar in Chief Mozart I actually saw him playing in the Roland Garros tournament in 2006 and thought he was going to be a great player.  I never chaged my mind on that first impression.   However that was 17 years ago and age always ends up in forcing players to retire. In 2007 I went on a cruise and dinner on the Danube and part of the tour group were some Spanish families.   I asked them about Nadal and they could not understand - so I asked the tour leader for a pen drew a tennis racket and wrote Nadal.   They loved it smiled and sad wunderbar.

Unfortunately like everything  in life age catches up with players of all cods of sport.    In 2021 I looked at all 3 of the tennis Greats we were fortunate  to see in our lifetime and wrote something the idiot Mozart took exception to.   I wrote that Federer's career is ending due to injuries - as people age it becomes more difficult to recover rom injuries.    I then said signs are that Nadal is coming to the end of his career.   

According  to Mozart referring to age been a factor in careers he went ballistic.   After that  Federer retired and Nadal although some improvement in performances in early 2022 injuries had a devastating effect on his career,   He said already that he would play in a few farewell tournaments next year and his present ranking  in tennis is below the Top 500  players in the world.   I forecasted the end in 2021 and Nadal's career effectively ended in the French Open in 2022.   Sad - but true.

I analyzed Djokovic performances in 2021 as well and noted that he was slowing down in his career and trying to extend it by playing in less tournaments and  he did start playing his results were at times way below par.    He did not do well in tournaments in 2022 and this year in fact produced a marked improvement in performances..   However can it last?  His family already talk about his potential retirement from the game stating it is becoming increasingly more difficult for him to retain the fitness level required of players.   

For Mozart it is a mortal sin to refer to retirement of players due to age.   He developed a system  of demonizing  younger players coming to the fore.    Mozart did it to rugby players as well.   When I repeated some newspaper articles about Alcaraz it was like a red flag to the bull.   His response was to attack Alcaraz endlessly and never once he congratulated  Alcaraz on any tournament wins.   In the case of Wimbledon 2023 he wrote a long contributions finding excuses for Djokovic loss - but he never congratulate Alcaraz.   When Alcaraz lost in Rome at the age of 19 years to Murray he went bananas  and said Alcaraz would never be a successful tennis player.   The  fact is he started of his thread HA-HA-HA.

However the main point is that Mozart does not mind lying when it comes to player performances and in this case he lied about me no congratulating Djokovic on his win in the US Open.   There is indisputable proof he lied about it.    When he was told he lied he could have said something like "Sorry I missed that posting". and it would be the end of it.   

I stay with my forecast and bearing in mind his father's comment on the issue I do think that Djokovic performances will tank next year. - same as was the case with Nadal in 2022.                       .    .                      .   .    

Just as I thought, you have no appreciation for Djocovic’s  accomplishments. All you can get out between the teeth is he will be no good next year……the same thing you have been saying for the last 3 years. Look where that got you.

As for Nadal’s poor year in 2022. He won the Australian and the French you moron. Too stupid, too biased, too oblivious of tennis….altogether too Clever. Give up ….you have made a  complete fool of yourself….again.

Mozart

>I am entitled to what I believe - so are you.  I can change my mind - you cannot.  I do not lie about postings - you do.   Example - I congratulated Djokovic on his win - you lied and claimed I did not.  

Like the  snake you are you try and hide the lie by sidetracking  the issue.  Despicable.    

Okay let me demonstrate to you why you are not entitled to anything. Here is your ‘congratulations Djokovic’ post and my response to it. Note the time stamps:

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Congrats to Djokovic for winning  the US Open.    .    

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’I think Medvedev will win the final’…..I missed that pearl of wis

So I saw and responded to your post which was not a new topic, but which was a continuation of your US Open string…2 hours after you made it. Here’s my post, appropriately a new string:

Sep 11, 2023, 01:08

Not sure if you caught this Clever, but the man you said was done 3 years ago just won his third major of the year….and is now tied with Margaret Court for the most ever.

Just thought I should provide you this safe zone to retract your original claim and congratulate the man, who by the way was simply dominant.

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Now there are several points to make. The two posts occurred within minutes of each other and I make the statement “I don’t know if you caught this Clever”…..clearly indicating I haven’t seen your buried post.

So no, I never accused you of not congratulating Djokovic while knowing you did. And no apology is necessary as my my post clearly gives you the out of possibly being unaware of the result, given it was 1.00 in the morning.

But it’s obvious from your ‘clenched teeth’ congratulations and renewed attack on the Joker that your congratulations are totally insincere. The rest is just the spluttering of a loser.

Thanks for changing your starting thread - removing the part of me not congratulating  Djokovic on his win.   I did read what you wrote originally and responded to it accordingly.   Instead of saying something like "I did not see and missed your posting - sorry about it" you merely did something  loathsome and now claimed it was never in your thread. 

That alone showed how you can lie and to at as if your original comment did not exist.   That alone is bad news.            

Ou Maaik claiming he's always rated Djok is like him claiming he's a Biden supporter and he loves the Democrats.

Nothing has been changed, it’s exactly as originally posted. The fact that you have to claim it’s been changed demonstrates that your original argument is nonsense.

…but Ou Maaik loves Biden and he would love him more if he wasn’t so ‘corrupt’. That’s why he loves Putin most, he lives a humble life on a politician’s salary,

Mozart 

You know you changed he wording of your starting thread and everyone commenting on it knows it as well.

You seem to misunderstand everything happening in tennis and in fact in every c ode of sport.   The older players get th e elss competitive they become in sport.  

I dealt with all three of the Greats in 2021 and rtwo of he three are gone from the world s scene already.   The only one remaining is Djokovic.    Djokovic lost in Wimbledon because he ran out of steam - fact,    In the US Open I gave a list of players whom he emt to reach the final and they mostly consisted of second and third level players,   Even Fritz - the only top 10 player he emt in the Open did  not woin anything since Indian Wells in 3021 and going  the way he is he si bound to be out of th e Top 10 ranking soon.   Djokovic has a string of easy matches to play and one thing you missed ou was muy comment that he has the easiest route to the final any other player.   The draw was done behind close doors and everybody objected to it in the media.   It will not happen again in Grand Slam tournaments in future.   

His father's comment in he newspapers I quoted.   To keep being competitive Djokovic  play in less and less matches,   Outside of the Grad Slams his performances are below par and he lose matches left right nd center.   Accept it dimness 9 he will likely announce his retirement next year anyway.

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What a pathetic response…. I never changed my post, I never attacked you for not posting….players don’t necessarily get less competitive in their early thirties.  Novak’s record since 2021 is as good as it’s ever been in the Majors.  

Time to make up a different lie….this one won’t work.

Mozart

I prefer to believe in facts not emotional fiction and responded in kind.    You accused me of not congratulating.  I do not imagine anything - everybody who saw the threat noticed it  and when your mistake was pointed out to you - instead of saying you missed my congratulation you did a very childish thing and removed the accusation contained.   I did not imagine it was in your threat - it was there.

Don't  bluff yourself - when I dealt with the three tennis greats in 2021 neither Federer, Nadal or Djokovic were in their early 30's    Federer was nearly 40 aand both Djokovic and Nadal were in their mid-thirties.     At the time I wrote that that we are coming to an era when the three  greats were going to retire.   

The following facts escaped you totally:-

Federer

After struggling with injuries that he could not overcome Federer officially announced his retirement from tennis noiine months later,    It is a fact that when sport injuries ocvcur in any code of sport it takes longer for a more elderly player to recover from injuries than it takes for younger players and that hit hioome.

Nadal     

He did start off 2022 very well and lasted less than 6 months in 2022 before getting injures and he has not played since then due to persistent injuries.   In less than 18 months after what I wrote Nadal effectively announced his retirement from professional tennis and said he might play in some farewell  tennis matches next year.   Whether that would happen is really anybody's guess and that actually mesn to play in a few tournaments and not being  a serious conrtender in such tournaments.   Normally farewell tour players last not longer than  round 2 in such tournaments because of match fitness issues.   

Djokovic 

Since the effective retirement of Federer and later on Nadal since 2020 won a large number of Grand Slam toirunaments over a three year period - but there are also the fact that like his father said in an interview he is finding it increasingly difficult to maintain the necessary fitness levels in tennis.

What you totally refuse to recognize is that there are effectively four levels of tennis played in world tennis.   These levels are -

*     The Grand slam tournaments - 4 per year

*      The APT 1000 Masters  tournament - 10 per year

*      The APT 500 tournaments     -    15 per year

*       The APT 250 tournaments    -    27 tournamnets,  

In his career Djokovic won -

Grand Slams

There is no dispute on that one.  Thus far in his career won 24 titles spread over the following years:-

2008 to 2019              =        14 titles

2020 to 2023              =         10 titles

The fact is that with the fading out of Federer and Nadal over the period since 2020 the opposition Djokovic faced was less competitive than before,    Djokovic at the age of 36 is the oldest tennis player to win the US Grand slam ever.

The End of Year Championship                         

What you ignore to/tally is that Djokovic limits the number of matches he played  in and what you missed out on is that he is less effective when playing in the He won5 titles since sinc e 2008 and his recoc rdx won are as follows:

2008   -  2019  - 5

2020 -    2022     1

The APT 1000 Mastyers tournamentds 

2007    -  2019   -34                                         

2020    -   2023     5

In the period   2021 when I wrote the analysis Djokovic managed to win 3 titles in a period when there were 32 tou,rnaments played.  

The above indicated and confirmed 2 issues I raised and that is the tendency of Djokovic to play in less tournaments in an effort to lengthen his career.    However, bar the Grand Slams he ws markedly less successful in both ATP1000, ATP 500 and ATP 250 titles in matches he did play in.  

From all that info it is clear that Djokovic  - still a tennis great - is 37 years old next year.   He is already showing signs that he is getting less competitive and I do think we will have to wait and see what happens next year,    rom what happened to all other players I am not hopin g for much though.  

Correction…..you are not  hoping for much. Have been for at least 3 years. Came up with the same reasons the Joker is toast. Here’s something to contemplate 7 out of 10 Majors won… 3 this year. Washed up….bwaaaaaaahahaha! Egg, Major, massive egg,

Mozart

That is where  you are totally deluded.  I am not hoping  for anything.  I am not like you wanting anybody to lose anything.-  Djokovic is still an asset in tennis and an interesting to player to watch in  the game.   However, I am looking  at facts  and noted tendencies and also the impact of age of players on performances as well as injuries  and  recovery stemming from age of players.   I wrote about the three greats 2 years ago - not 3 years ago in 2021 - you may not know but this is 2023.   My comments on Federer and Nadal was correct and my comments on the future of Djokovic will also be correct.    He may last another year or two in the game, but present indications are not positive on that issue.  

I also look at tendencies as to players and the number of matches they try to play - as well as comments of themselves  and their family members on issues.   Unlike you I am not subject to intense hysteria.           

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Seb

I saw Djokovic play him in the round robin match in the End Of Year Championship in London last year,   Medvedev won 6-3, 6-3 and  he will beat  Djokovic in three sets.

Both Medvedev and Rublev are great gentlemen and both are good ambassadors for Russia.   Love to watch them play tennis.      

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Djokovic is like Federer and Nadal suffering from advancing years of age,     He won against Sverev who suffered from stage fright and then had a rather dubious semi against Karatsev.    He will use injury as an excuse for losing against  Medvedev

So there you have it, bashing Novak 2 years and 7 months ago…rounded up, 3 years ago. And after those disgusting comments about the Joker going to fake an injury…when he beat Medvedev with ease you disappeared. Not a word of congratulations. 

That is how you roll…big mouth, small man.

Mozart

You are quoting from what I wrote about my thinking on one match outcome 31 months ago?   I based my Comments on how I saw the performances of the players up to the final.    For a staft  I took into account how how Taylor Fritz - a relative unknown at the time - took Djokovic to a 5 setter.   I admit I was wrong on how I forecasted the match, but that does not mean I doomed him  in his career as a whole.

Your above  response is to be expected from a juvenile.   You forecasted a loss in the match and that means you damn his whole  career,   I have seen BS arguments on site often enough - but tghat one takes the c ake.       .    

Not only did you ‘doom’ him….you also said after he lost he would falsely claim an injury. 

BS .   personified.  I look at fac ts and trry to make sensible comments - you have entirely different agen da.