Another classic post on why Piss Mint would never ever make a good captain in any sport.
As DB said, it is all about resting the players, the bowlers were tired, they needed resting.
This post just shows how little you know about a team game
Imagine this twat as your captain........
Works you to the bone as a bowler and then drops you when you are too exhausted to produce any results
News24:
Philander defends South Africa decision not to enforce follow-on as Sri Lanka suffer batting collapse
Opening bowler Vernon Philander defended South Africa’s decision not to enforce the follow-on after he and Kagiso Rabada destroyed Sri Lanka’s batting on Day 2 of the second Test at Newlands on Tuesday.
Philander and Rabada took four wickets each as South Africa bowled out Sri Lanka for 110, giving South Africa a massive first innings lead of 282 runs.
But South Africa chose to bat again, reaching 35 for no wicket by the close, an overall lead of 317 runs.
"This gives us the best chance of winning the Test match," Philander said.
"We are setting up the game with the bat and it gives the bowlers a break. We are playing back-to-back Test matches and the bowlers had to work hard in (the first Test in) Port Elizabeth. This is the best way going forward for us."
- So, the bowler with the quickest 50 wickets in over a hundred years has defended resting the SA bowlers, of which he is obviously one, due to the time off between these back to back tests, and rest the tired bowlers....... exactly as DB explained, which I agreed to.
- It has nothing to do with the 110 all out you moron, it's the overall playing schedule.
- Piss Mint, who we now know, knows sweet fcuk all about this game, decides that his opinion is more acceptable, and clearly Philander is wrong. I mean Piss Mint knows what it's like to bowl in these conditions, under these tight playing schedules, and Philander knows nothing about this sport.
You just cannot script this any better. Not even the full first week of 2017 has finished yet and Piss Mint's egg is flowing like a river down his chin.
As I said, not really a team player are you
LMFAO !!
Pffffffffffhahahaha!
Philander is just saying what his idiot captain wants him to say. Think for yourself, chump.
Facts: The SA bowlers bowled 41 overs between them. Philander bowled a grand total of 12 overs himself and there were no more than 10 overs left before stumps.
Exhausted? After 12 overs in the first innings and a maximum of 5 more overs if they'd enforced the follow on?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!
Maybe if you actually bowled yourself or ever even played a single game of cricket you'd know how stupid that sounds.
Look, Dumb Ass, if you want to try and debate cricket by copying and pasting and saying look what so-and-so said then rather limit your discussions to other cricket noobs like Dense.
Run along now, little chap.
Oh dear me
Sure, Faf would have made that important decision completely on his own without ever consulting with his players, especially his bowlers.
And what about the possibility of having to bowl the entire next day as well, or next 2 days?
We didn't bowl incredibly well, the Sri Lankans played some shockingly loose shots.
Therefore, this wicket could be good for another day or two of good batting.....
What then Piss Mint......
You think one evening of rest after those ten overs, then bowling potentially two full days after that, and this...after battling so much in the PE test with little rest in between games is sufficient?
What are you smoking.....
Then, force your bowlers to potentially bowl another two full days straight after the schedule they have just played.
As I said, a captain you are not, never were, never could be with this logic and one dimensional thinking, and never will be
LMFAO !!
Oh no........ I was hoping you really wouldn't have resorted to this.....
So.......Piss Mint was the U10 4th team cricket captain
And that.... ladies and gentleman, qualifies him to be more adept at judging test cricket games strategies today more than our current test captain, and a bowler who recently broke a record which stood for over a 100 years.
Woooooooohoooooooo !!..... Yeeeeehaaaaaa !! ... Well done Piss Mint !!
For the record, yes I have, but I would not have used that criteria to try and win an argument on here against the two more qualified individuals I have mentioned above.
Lol, actually, the more I think about it, the more I see how pathetic you really look here....... Hey guys'!!..... look here.... check me out........I was previously a cricket captain therefore you must accept my strategies of playing this game instead of these two idiots currently playing for your country
LMFAO !!
Thank my lucky stars I didn't have you in my team, but then again, you played just after WG Grace did didn't you..... I mean, you are very old.
Actually, I did captain teams in cricket. Many times. Did you?
So, as captain, with this current schedule specifically, with hardly any break between games, you would have no problem with the possibilities that with you enforcing the follow on, your bowlers could be out there battling for another 2 days?
For the record, yes I have, but I would not have used that criteria to try and win an argument on here against the two more qualified individuals I have mentioned above.
Are you Blind?
Are you Dumb?
As for you correcting me..... LMAO
With your very well doc. umented record of lying to posters on here, I don't for one second believe a word you say on here, but by all means proceed and carry on.
I also don't give a continental if you believe anything I say either...... what you think or believe about me matters as much as how long it will take for that piece of dog sh!t on the ground to dry
Actually, I did captain teams in cricket. Many times. Did you?
So, as captain, with this current schedule specifically, with hardly any break between games, you would have no problem with the possibilities that with you enforcing the follow on, your bowlers could be out there battling for another 2 days?
So?
So Piss Mint...... what was it like playing against Grace?
LMFAO !!
Well, I answered
How about you do the same
As captain, with this current schedule specifically, with hardly any break between games, you would have no problem with the possibilities that with you enforcing the follow on, your bowlers could potentially be out there battling for another 2 days?
Yes / No
There were a number of ex-test captains and players who disagreed with Faf's decision.
Like who?
For starters, why would I expect the team that couldn't bat for 41 overs to suddenly bat for 2 days? Huh?
So it comes down to this logic?
Because they only lasted 41 overs in their first innings, and managed only 110 runs, they cannot possibly be reasonably expected to do any better in their second innings at all?
This is just thumb sucking..... and your bowlers would really admire you if you got that wrong. As I said, you are just too one dimensional in your thinking, in other words fcuking stupid.
Yeah, they could get bowled out in 32 overs in the second innings, who knows....but.
Fcuk me, let me guess, so.......the weather conditions could change overnight, the pitch changed to make batting easier, or the team got lambasted after the first innings for playing school boy loose shots, so show more patience with their shots in the second innings
If there is one thing cricket history HAS shown us, it's that it only takes one good knock from any individual in any innings, but especially the second one, to turn any game on it's head.
If you are too thick to even admit that, or even digest it is a possibility because they got bowled out in 41 overs in their first innings, then you are worse than I imagined.
I see AB has now made a statement on twitter regarding this as well, but your take will obviously be...... AB is just supporting his stupid captain.
Man are you full of it........ pathetic actually
AB - Wrong
Faf - Wrong
Phil - Wrong
A man who names himself Urinal Mint - Correct, only because he apparently was a cricket captain before
LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
An excellent article, a must read
Also shows in great detail what sides can do after being totally under the pump after a very poor first innings like the SL one from yesterday, and why sides do not like enforcing it as often these days
The Follow on - Out of Fashion
A small example:
Little more than a year earlier, in December 1999, they had run through South Africa in Durban and made them follow on; then they had to watch Gary Kirsten bat for 878 minutes and 275 runs. But the result was at least a draw.
Any lingering belief England may have had in the efficacy of enforcing the follow-on was then killed off at Lord’s in 2006 and 2008, and the fact that it was Lord’s was no coincidence.
In the last decade Test pitches have tended to get ever better for batting as a game has gone on, and nowhere more so than at Lord’s. Here is one of the three main reasons why the follow-on has gone out of fashion: pitches used to wear and tear, encouraging spinners, but now they often do nothing except get slower and lower.
The second main reason is that pace bowlers break down with stress fractures when they are over-bowled, and this often happens during the follow-on. Medical research has confirmed this trend, but England needed no proof after two of their experiences at Lord’s.
In 2006 England’s captain Andrew Flintoff flogged himself into the ground, bowling 51 overs when Sri Lanka followed on, which did nothing for his knees and longevity. All to no avail, as Sri Lanka drew. In 2008 England, under Michael Vaughan, made South Africa follow on at Lord’s. They dug in: Graeme Smith, Neil McKenzie and Hashim Amla all hit centuries. England used three new balls, again to no avail.
And the consequences were considerable. An exhausted Ryan Sidebottom, who had been the answer to England’s eternal prayers for a left-arm swing bowler, pulled out of the next Test at Headingley a few days later and took only six more Test wickets. England were so under-powered they selected Darren Pattinson, damaging the team’s chemistry; and at the end of the next Test, when South Africa had completed the turnaround by winning the series, Vaughan resigned.
So here is the third reason why the follow-on has gone out of fashion.
There used to be time between Tests, in which an exhausted bowler could recover. Now they are played back to back, without respite, and resources have to be nursed.
There were a number of ex-test captains and players who disagreed with Faf's decision.
Like who?
You have gone very quiet indeed Piss Mint
This was a very simple request, since you made this bold statement
Who are these "number" of ex-test captains and players
Okay Dumb Ass, serious question now. When Vernon Philander "defends" the decision and when AB de Villiers enters the "debate" on Twitter, who do you think Philander is defending against and who is AB debating with?
Come on, no more of your usual evasive and cowardly dodging, just answer the question.
Ai Ai Ai
Fcuk me, you are seriously one dumb twat......
The fans on Twitter were complaining directly to the players themselves, including AB (which he directly alluded to in his twitter statement about this, have a look) and some of the supporters at the ground as well.
I say again, fcuk me you are one dumb moron Piss Mint
So, I ask again, who are these ex-test captains you mentioned, as well as previous test players who called Faf out on this?
I see what was meant a while ago when you huffed and puffed about being called a little coward on here, because that assessment was spot on about you chum .
The only evasive coward on this board is you Piss Mint.
You said there were a "number" of ex-test captains, and test players who voiced their disagreement regarding what Faf did
Show me these numbers you coward, because twitter users and spectators at the ground don't count.
DbDraad
There is merit to both views. I stated my preference for not forcing the follow on. In my view the recovery is better after short efforts than continued efforts. The risk for injuries also less.
DB, history has shown that your assessment of the follow on is absolutely spot on.
The article referenced here is another great example of why it is no longer used a lot.
Michael Clarke, in his entire cricketing career as Aussie captain, enforced the follow on once, in one of his very last games before retiring.
Dumb Ass has scuttled back to his dark little hole hoping that people might believe that Philander was defending the decision against Father Christmas while AB was debating with the Easter Bunny.
You made the bold statement Piss Mint, not me
Not even one ex-test captain mentioned when you are called out on this lie
Not even one ex-test player to name when you called out on this lie
As per usual, a liar of note you are, as well as a little coward
Rooinek
There were a number of ex-test captains and players who disagreed with Faf's decision.
Name one of each....... just one of each
You said there were a number of each, but I will settle for just one of each
Either close it off with some proof, or accept that you are the coward we all know you to be.
DA, I was watching with my brother when their last wicket fell and immediately told him that I'm hoping that we don't enforce. I've given my reasons before I even knew it was going to be an issue to sum. I'm all for the follow on in some scenarios , but in cricket you have to assess the conditions and the context before deciding. There can't be a general rule
I completely agree Db, it all depends on so many things
But you have morons like Piss Mint who believe in "Golden Rules" in cricket when the stats already show that if this supposed golden rule was followed, in a lot or most instances, it would have gone against you as a captain in the last few decades
For Pete's sake, do I look like your secretary, Dumb Ass?
In Kirsten's case on the radio while I was driving home, in Smith's case, on social media.
Now, I have answered your questions . . . and the new questions you sprung on me . . . I think it's your turn. Who do you think Philander was defending against and who do you think might have been on the other side of the debate AB was referring to?
You've ducked, dived and dodged enough . . . try to be a man now for once in your sad and pathetic life.
I answered these questions in my other post.
You made this bold statement, not me, so you need to back up this claim, I don't need to prove anything.
Please don't tell me it's because of this Twitter post from Smith that Smith was against Faf's decision
"Only reason for not enforcing the follow on is that the #proteas are loving the newlands crowd and stadium too much! #ProteaFire"
Or, is Philander defending Faf because he also maybe "heard" it on the radio from this ex player on the way down to the post match interview?
LMFAO, you are clutching at straws here
Maybe you can tell us who these numerous ex captains and players were then, if that is who Philander was defending Faf against, because so far you have shown squat.
You are squirming because you have nothing to back up that claim.
The mere fact that AB and Philander justified the decision shows that it was somewhat against the norm.
What is the norm, is Piss Mint making things up and not being able to backup his bold statements, (Not the first time) then asking me to prove mine.
I cannot compete with his level of stupidity