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Wimbledon is starting next week Monday

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jun 2021, 08:28
#1
23 Jun 2021, 08:28#1

There is not much news as to the tournament yet other than Nadal - potentially the no 3 seeded  player - being out of the tournament and the fact that Thiem - potentially the number 5 seeded player - is injured and unlikely to play,   That will  affect the seedings.   A further change is that Federer may - after a disaster at Halle - decide not to play either    However, bearing in mind his performances this year it is certain he will not have a real impact at Wimbledon  and be out of contention  before Round 3,

    


         

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jun 2021, 14:15
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23 Jun 2021, 14:15#2

‘ What is to be  added   here is that Tsitsipas is humiliating Djokovic showing you age mania up again.   Did you not hear what the commentators said about Djokovic and Nadal,   The speed of the balls they hit is between 12 and 14 kph  lower than the speed the youngsters hit the ball.   They hope that the opposing players make mistakes rather than force the issue.‘

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jun 2021, 15:21
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23 Jun 2021, 15:21#3

Thus for this thread did not mention Djokovic  at all and dealt with 3 players only, namely with Nadal, Thiem  and Federer,   So why start off raising Djkovic and not mentioon anything about the three players dealt with, 

Lets get to Nadal only.   The statement made indicate that Nadal s9ffweer from mental problems as quoted elsewhere.   Are those problems not linked to fear that his present performances are below what he used to deliver in the past?    

I would say that he played in the Aussie Open and then did not play for near to three months until the Monte Carlo  Open - where he was disgraced in the quarterfinal and then managed to win in the less important Barcelona Open - lost  in the Madrid Open and squeezed home in Rome.  None of the two titles were convincing wins  and he is now out from tournament tennis  for the foreseeable future,    Is he going the Federer way also?                

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jun 2021, 19:16
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23 Jun 2021, 19:16#4

No doubt Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are subject to the normal laws of nature and are aging. But even if Federer and Nadal are no longer at their  peak, they are still competitive and a joy to watch. 

Nadal won in Rome and was only eliminated by another member of the Big 3 in Paris. Federer beat Cilic in Paris before exiting to preserve his shot at Wimbledon, not his best moment in my opinion, but not an indication that he will never compete again.

More tellingly none of the young players have shown the ability to win consistently  in the Majors, which leaves the Big 3 still winning these events.

Logic says we will have a new champion at some point…..but it’s heartening to see these great champions holding the fort far longer than anybody expected. And Djokovic may just be playing the best tennis the game has ever seen.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jun 2021, 23:03
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23 Jun 2021, 23:03#5
It is certain that of the three best players ever  maybe  Djokovic remain competitive bearing in mind that  between the Aussie Open and Roland Garros he  was neaten by low ranked players and it is obvious that his quality of tennis played even in the majors is not as good as it used to be,  
Federer's performances this year  was so poor that if the old tanking system was applicable - the one coming back in August -  he would have been ranked no 635 in the world,,   Nadal is to my m9ind in the same boat as Federer and these two are not holding the fort anymore.    Djokovic has been beaten in the last 8 months by either low\ranked players - but he has admitted that he has been beaten by all the younger ranked players  anuwau and klives oin hope inosefar as cinoettivce players are concerned.      
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2021, 02:50
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24 Jun 2021, 02:50#6

Being beaten and being beaten in Majors are two different things. In the two majors this year Djokovic has not been beaten. Federer has hardly played, but not being beaten. And Nadal last to Djokovic and Tsitsipas in a 5 set nail biter in  the Australian Open.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jun 2021, 06:27
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24 Jun 2021, 06:27#7

No it is not too different things.   Your allegation is that majors are the only norm to be used in evaluation is really farcical.    What about the fact that the most important  tournament other tournament other than the  majors where strength are playing against strength - only the top  8 ranked players in the world are allowed  to participate/   Both Djokovic and Nadal lost in two of the five matches played  November last year -  is  that  not important in your book,     

Buy the way Federer opted out of  the  Roland Garross  clay court tournament to prepare for  the Wimbledon  grass court tournament  by  concentrating on the Halle tournament where he was easily beaten in  the  Round 2?   Seemingly totally lacking in logic.   

Now lets look at Nadal - he was beaten in the Aussie Open  quarterfinal and the next tournament  he played in was in Monte Carlo where he lost   6-2, 4-6,/6-2 against Rublev,   Was that really a reasonable performance by the King of Clay?    Don't you believe the statement why Nadal is our of Wimbledon and the Tokyo  Olympics?

          

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jun 2021, 10:43
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24 Jun 2021, 10:43#8

Away from ravings and now back to the Wimbledon tournament.   The final  round of  qualifiers - 16 matches  - are  played today and tomorrow the final Draw will be available.   

There will in this case be 128 players in round 1 - of whim  32 would be seeded players,   

I will tomorrow provide the list of 32 seeded players and will as that info to indicate which players remained after each round in the  tournament was played.       

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2021, 19:07
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24 Jun 2021, 19:07#9

Tell us who remains by all means, assuming there is somebody on here who can’t Google it for themselves. But save  yourself the embarrassment of your predictions as in the French…..like Djokovic wouldn’t make the knockouts and Rublev was going to win.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jun 2021, 19:40
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24 Jun 2021, 19:40#10

I never said Rublev was going to win the French Open    Think what I really wrote and maybe you would not make the above inaccurate statement,       

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2021, 20:15
#11
24 Jun 2021, 20:15#11

You asked where you could bet on Rublev….are you now telling us you were going to bet on him losing?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jun 2021, 22:20
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24 Jun 2021, 22:20#12

Another distortion - try again.  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Jun 2021, 04:29
#13
25 Jun 2021, 04:29#13

From Notsofarmus:

Djokovic and Nadal is also on the way down,     In the past seen months he and Nadal took part in  tournaments  and in all 15 tournaments bar 3 - where opposing players had match points against them they managed to win ,     Thus far this year  Djokovic won in 1 tournament and  Nadal in 2.   

I am certain  they are not going to do better in the Roland Garross tournament and I do think too many players have beaten the two of them thus far his year and they will always be up against even more players capable of beating them/ 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jun 2021, 07:14
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25 Jun 2021, 07:14#14

Another diversion  because the idiot was caught out lying.    Lets look at the performance record on clay of  Djokovic   and Nadal this year,    

Djokovic lost in Monte Carl in round 2 playing  Daniel Evans and then did not play in  Barcelona and Madrid,   He instead went to play  in a minor clay clay court  tournament in Belgrade where he lost playing Aslan Karatsev.    He then played in Rome where he had to play a three-setter against Lorenzo Sonego to get into the final and lost against Nadal in the final.    Please note that the two players he lost against in  Monte Carlo and Belgrade were not top 30  players,    

Nadal was  not much better,  He lost  badly in Monte Carlo  against  Andrey Rublev and really was poor in that game.    He managed to win in Barcelona  and then lost to  Sverev in Madrid - after which he  was  extremely lucky  to beat Denis Shapovalov - the latter had two match points in the third set play-off and managed to reach the final where he beat  Djokovic.

Only a dumbo like Mozart - who does not consider objective assessment of player performances as important - would not consider the form lines of the two players before Roland Garross as important and my comments  at the time were  fact\based and in line with what Djokovic  himself said about the situation as to younger players coming through and being a threat to them. 

But them - logic was never a strong point  of Mozart - petty hatred and prejudice was his basis of player evaluation for years now.   

As per normal this thread aimed  a providing info as to  Wimbledon  had been polluted by the dunce again.                         

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jun 2021, 18:54
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28 Jun 2021, 18:54#15

What’s your hahahaha objective assessment of Tsitsipas today. I’m inclined to think Djokovic destroyed his confidence with the beating he gave him in Paris.

No doubt you had Tsetsi down as one of your finalists!!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jun 2021, 19:25
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28 Jun 2021, 19:25#16

So of your  picks for Paris,  Rublev went out in the first round in Paris and Tsetsi went out in the first round in Wimbledon. I guess the last shall be first and the first last?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jun 2021, 19:26
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28 Jun 2021, 19:26#17

Notsofarmus your ‘assessment ’ please

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jun 2021, 22:17
#18
28 Jun 2021, 22:17#18

Not

…..so

………farm

……………..us

How deep are you now you cowardly old coot?

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