This is the letter that Bozo sent to Turkish president Erdogan:
Unbelievable!
Do any of you Trumpanzees think that this is an acceptable level of international diplomacy . . . or does it sound more like something that one schoolboy could have written to another demanding his comic book back?
No wonder Erdogan chucked it in the bin!
No Rooinek
It is not fucking around and it is telling Erdogan exactly what is coming. That would get Turkey out off Syria quickly.
I am not going to accept that anybody must pussyfoot around serious issues and Trump is not going to fall for the DP war-mongering anyway. They want him to get involved because they are always enriching themselves through such involvement,
You may not know it - but Erdogan has already phoned Trump and asked him to negotiate on the issue and Pence and General Perry has already gone to Turkey to deal with that negotiations.
In the meantime you missed the pot again. The Assad Syrian Army joined the Kurds in the battle against the Turkey's army in Northern Syria.
Just tell me - why should the US involve themselves and endanger the lives of their soldiers in the mess in Syria? Careful what you read in the anti-Trump media and careful of the BBC as well.
Beside that - there are broader internal political issues i n Turkey as well. The Turkish economy is already on a tailspin and in the recent Municipal elections in Turkey Erdogan's Party lost control of Istanbul and Ankara - the two most important cities in Turkey - which were previously under total control of Erdogan. His support base is slipping and he knows it. So no wonder he asked for negotiations already,
By the way there is another issue that was concluded yesterday, After two years of pussyfooting around by May in an urgent effort to negate Brexit, it took Johnson a month to get a reasonable Brexit treaty out of the EU. End of shifty diplomacy - it does not work.
And China ran for cover as well and signed a new Trade Deal with the USA and further negotiation on stealing of intellectual property is under way.
All that is required is to be firm when dealing with rogues - end of story.
Rooi, how sure are you that letter is authentic?
Draad
The letter is authentic and Erdogan has already pleaded with Trump to start negotiations on the issue, Pence has already gone to Ankara to deal with the issue.
What a great President he has turned out to be.
No fooling around, straight to the point followed with action, action, action.
All these problems due to Obama drawing a RED LINE and because he was a "Thick Prick" he never understood that they crossed it. So he let it slide.
Obama the great and the creator of ISIS.
FOUR MORE YEARS.
"From what I understand none of the Middle East places is allies with America."
Saudi Arabia would like a word, Sharkbok.
And always remember, Saudi will fight until the very last Pakistani.
SB
Although I appreciate your sentiments on the issue there is one problem. The USA has up its own oil production under Trump and is not importing any oil from the ME anymore. The USA are in fact helping to protect the interests of Australia, New Zealand, most of the EU countries, India, Pakistan and even China by their presence in the Persian Gulf.
All Trump should write is fuck out of Syria or I will see that yo ur economy is destroyed,
Why is Turkey invading Syria? Why are the UN quiet on this? It's Trump's fault because he didn't ask Turkey not to do it in a nice enough way? It's the responsibility of the US to sort all this out? WTF?
Sharktwit makes a complete fool of himself once again. The USA doesn't need ME oil for themselves. The USA under Trump is the biggest producer of oil in the world and is exporting.
By the way oaks you should listen to Mike Pence announcing the cease fire. Huge, huge EGG is once again landing on the demorats CNN ETC and of course our resident clown rooibozo.
Right now everyone knows Trump is unbeatable come 2020.
As for CNN Project Veritas has dropped their third bomb on CNN. HAHAHAHAHA How these lying scumbags have been exposed.
The sheer ignorance of sharktwit and rooitwit is fast becoming legendary. Bwhahahahaha one wonders how it is possibly to be such complete mamparas!!!!
A clue might be CNN said Trump's letter was not PHD material.
Poor CNN their rating continue to plummet.
Things are about to get much worse for the demonrats.
I think Trump no,no I know Trump's letter delivered by the vice President was not dumped in the wastebasket as suggested by the Snowflakers but was obviously read more than once by the Turk Head of State and he sure got the message that DT was serious.
DT does it again.....four more years.
Shucks it must suck for the Demorats as DT once more steps up to the plate and delivers.
What a President..... WINNING, WINNING, WINNING and more WINNING.
Got the message yet Rooinek, doubt it but hang in there more WINNING on its way.
sharhbok time to get your school fees back my man.
USA is the current largest producer of oil and has been since DT took over from Osama Obama.
This is not news because it has been aired over most if not all TV stations and other media outlets for ages.
Suggest you move off Clinton News Network and join us at FOX so that you may also be enlightened.
Even at you stage you might learn a thing or two. Never give up, we are here to assist you in seeing the light not the train that is about to hit the Demorats.
Winning, winning, winning and more winning.
Love it.
What a President.
So you are Trumpanzees saying that the motive for getting involved is to help the Turks?
BP (British Petroleum) produce oil in other countries, has it not dawned on you that America has purchased oil fields in other countries? Or do you think all of the oil is from Texas? It is very likely that the UK and US brand oil that is produced in oil fields in the middle east.
According to this article, Saudi Arabia is the largest producer of oil. Whatever government is running America, where ever there are oil disputes you will find America. So, this is not all Trumps doing...
Countries- https://www.mixerdirect.com/blogs/mixer-direct-blog/the-worlds-top-oil-producers
Companies- https://www.offshore-technology.com/features/companies-by-oil-production
So the US, is only the 6th ranked company- and it is clear they have a multi-national presence. It is not all drilled from the redneck's brains.
AJH, why don't you move to red neck county in America. You are always criticising Canada. I do not watch US news channels much- or consider them to be reliable, I prefer Europe as a more objective source. I can see you get your news from the Alabama tabloids, that also include alien sightings...
A simple question is why is Trump getting involved? It has nothing to do with America or other countries. The only organisation with some relevant qualification to make judgements is the united nations.
Can the Trumpanzees answer this, when Trump made it clear that he favours a policy of not getting involved? I suppose Trump wants the UN to cover the bill as well.
The cease fire is the perfect response to the demented criticism. Trump is transparently tackling the issues.....China, Nato, N Korea, stranded US troops in the ME, the Fed where Trump was proven right, the Southern Border, upgrading the military etc. etc.
It isn't always pretty, in large part because the media tries to present everything in the worst possible light. But some of this is awkward...it almost has to be when you are bravely tackling the world's most entrenched problems.
One shudders to think what another 4 years of Obama/Clinton would have meant. Thank heavens we have a problem solver in the White House even if his personal style isn't everybody's cup of tea......he is a brash boy from NY, but indefatigable in his efforts to make things better.
I sometimes cannot make out head or tails about what is happening in the media at times. I watched CNN for a short while and they said -
* there is no ceasefire agreement - it is a "pause" - whatever that means;
* that America is through Russia's ally Syria allowing Russia to take over control of the area and consequently the USA has surrendered the maintenance of stopping of further ISIS suppression to the Russians; and
* Trump is a traitor who is destroying the image of the USA i n the rest of the world.
They even found an ex-admiral who confirmed the latter situation and made a vicious attack on Trump.
Wonder what will happen next? What is evident is that the latest development is another reason for the impeachment of Trump according to CNN.
So the enemy is striking back at Trump.
Trust you know what UN stands for sharkbok.
If you can please tell me what has the UN achieved since 1948 other than collecting funds from member countries and squandering them on third world dictators (morons) then also tell me just what peaceful measures they have implemented anywhere successfully.
Without the USA funding the UN would have folded ages ago because member nations have reneged on their contributions but still enjoyed the high life in and around NY thanks to the USA.
Without the USA funding the UN is not capable of paying shit.
The USA is the largest contributor by far to the UN and also NATO for your education.
I do not wish to live in the USA as I have my reasons and yes I am critical of Canada because we have a Snowflake running the country and screwing up royally. Trust all will change on the elections upcoming later this month.
Just for your info this prick running the show in Canada has blown the surplus that he inherited from the previous government and estimates of spending by billions and billions of dollars which he promised to correct and have a neutral budget by the end of his term.....guess what all hogwash and now if reelected he is going to increase spending.
He has provided safe haven to over 40,000 Syrians and unknown numbers of other "refugees" plus providing them with Hotel accommodation, cell phones, financial security, medical coverage all at our tax payers expense.
That my friend is what you get when you elect a Snowflake who has never been out into the real world, who inherited his fathers ideals, money and fantasies and has no practical concept of reality.
The reason I defend DT and applaud his presidency is because he delivers on his promises unlike most if not all political figures.
Over the years more and more countries have been flooded with refugees because no leader has emerged to change course in their countries and help the population earn a respectable living standard coupled with security, education, housing and health care.
All these so called leaders have turned out to be nothing but criminals, plundering, murdering and total destruction of the entire country much like the ANC is carrying out in SHARKBOK country.
DT is the first US President to be elected that is not a career politician, donates his salary to charity, has placed his business interests in his sons hands, totally committed to making America great again, draining the swamp and is the most patriotic honest elected person to hold that high office ever.
Sure he does not walk on water, he like all of us is human and we all have one or other failing.
Also he is caring to all ethnic groups but is falsely accused of being racist and all the regular terms used by the Demorats every election cycle.....all are unfounded.
What more could you ask for in a President.
But I can understand that you have been brainwashed by ANC propaganda and all the other negative comments posted by Snowflakes on social media so now is the time to wake up, smell the roses, do your research on the political demise of the Western world and buy a camel.
The camel is for temporary transport until you and your fellow Snowflakes run out of food and all other options to exist.
Have a great day and remember to stay tuned to the WINNING, WINNING, WINNING President.
You can still save yourself but all you have to do is wake up.
Vasbyt.
@Arthur or Martha,
The point is that the US, UK or UN should not be involved in middle east politics. Irak was a disaster and grew terrorism. Saddam Hussein was not great, but the middle east is not exactly spoilt for choice with the 21st-century style of leaders.
Everyone and their dog knows that the US fund NATO, but that is only because the US wants to interfere with other countries politics to get favourable trade deals. America and even the NATO, and the United Nations must get out of the Middle East.
Did the US get involved in the Northern Ireland terrorism? If NI had oil, maybe this would have been different. If South Africa had oil would Trump be involved? Somehow Trump prefers the Curds than the white farmer... Most wars have economic motives.
Brainwashed by the ANC? What does the ANC have to do with Trump and American policies? Have you just run out of anything else to say?
Continue reading for more information on each of these reasons for war.
America was attacked and responded. Along the way there was massive mission creep. The do-gooders decided they could democratize the ME....so we got Iraq and the Arab Spring. Both were mistakes.
But I assure you the US has spent far more than it got back from any ME country.....and the same was true of Germany and Japan.
And AJH is right about the oil. The US may import certain Crude oils eg heavy crude from Venezuela ....because they suit the existing refining capacity. But they export more.
And the notion that the US fought the Iraq war to take the Iraqi crude is a nonsense. The US has paid market prices for everything coming out of defeated nations....the first super power in history of which that is true.
Something happened.
Exactly Moz
One does have to clarify though.
The US taxpayer spent more than they got.
Certain US politicians scored massively.
IRAQ was mentioned very soon after 9/11 despite there being not a shred of evidence that they were involved with the attack or that they had WMDs. All the evidence pointed to Saudi.
David Kelly(weapons inspector) was murdered as he was about to submit a report confirming IRAQ and no WMD.
The net result was 0.5 to 1 million innocent people dead and Saddam ousted.
The war destabilised Iraq, gave rise to Isis, never found any WMDs, never founds links to or caught any 9/11 conspirators. These mistakes from the biggest, best funded and most experienced intelligence agency the world has ever seen?
The majority of the bombers of 9/11 were Saudis. A partially burned burnt passport was found in the WTC rubble a mere couple of hours after the attack. Needle in a haystack much? It belonged to one of the attackers, a Saudi.
Os ama's family were flown out of the U.S. while all other flights were grounded, just after the towers got hit.
The Bush and Bin Laden families bought shares in a large telecommunications company just days before the attacks. It was of the few firms that showed a large profit that year. Telecoms = a good bet when a country is nervous.
And finally, let's not forget the now famous BBC report saying WTC7 had collapsed while it was still standing tall in the background.
Here's the video...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LEsjv9vKCGc
I'm still waiting for somebody to convince me that the entire affair was not fishy as all hell.
SB
I agree with you about the causes of wars - but their is a hitch too, Which 20th centuries wars starting with the Anglo-Boer War and ending with the Iraq first War was NOT for ECONOMIC GAIN?
Mike
Gain is nothing on its own. Since there is no beneficiary.
When you say it was not done for economic gain, are you talking about taxpayers, politicians, weapons manufacturers or all of them together?
All of them together and also threats to home industries. Everything was fine until Germany became a threat to the motor vehicle industries in the USA and England in the 1930's - remember the Volkswagens - also known as "Hitler's curse on mankind"? That type of thing together with destruction of the German economy and leading of millions of Germans in newly created countries after WWI were the real reasons for WW2.
@clevermike
Not to derail this thread too much but I think you may need to do a bit more research on the causes of WW2.
Well what a laugh. Rooibozo and sharktwit crash again. About as regular as the sun rising every morning. They jump on some bit of fake news and gleefully trot it out only to be humiliated again and again. Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha W hen will they ever learn tra la lal la!
Stav
I did a lot of research on the reasons for the Second World War. There are basically two angles to that one.
The first angle started with the victory of the allies In the First World War. During the Versailles negotiations there were two issues that caused endless problems in Europe.
The first one had to do with dismembership of existing states in Central Europe and the second one the funding by Western Capital of the Communist uprising in Russia in 1917. So lets start with the second one first:-
The Rusian Situation
The Partners of Russia in the War effort betrayed the Tzar and his family - they refused to even let them go to any English colony and any of France or the UK. The ruling family was killed in Ekaterinburg in 1918.
It left the Communist in total charge in Russia and some of the great American Corporations - who invested heavily in the Communist takeover was the real beneficiaries of the regime that was installed,
In the 1980's three fiercely anti-communist leaders took over the Governments in the USA (Reagen), the UK (Thatcher) and West Germany (Kohl), They stopped the flow of money through what they themselves called "The Gnomes of Zurich" to the USSR. The USSR at the times had a serious drain on their economy through their involvement in Afghanistan.
Within three years the Communist Regimes in eastern Europe started crumbling and they finally fell in 1992. The involvement of major Western Commercial institutions in getting raw mining material and other assets from the Communists during the period 1918 to 1985 thrived and was exposed during the 1980's.
The other industrial giants that thrived in that period was the Armaments Industry that needed Wars to flourish and the Cold War after 1945 suited them to the T.
When I visited Russia in 1993 - they were still discovering mass graves in the USSR where an estimated 52 million people were slaughtered by the Communist Regime under Lenin and Stalin lasting from 1918 to 1953.
The total result was basically to get a regime installed in Russia to benefit the major "western" financial and commercial interests.
The Creation of new Central European States
At Versailles the wonderful concept of freedom f Central European states were advertised, What was for real was the creation of a string of states in Central Europe and see what the impact was:-
* Poland - the part of Poland where the Poles were in the majority were fully justified - but there were used areas with minority Polish populations made part of the new Polish state and the German city of Danzig was supposedly a free port - but effectively run by Poland. Major parts of the totally German Silesia was incorporated into Poland. After World War two the whole of the German populations of Silesia and Danzig was expelled from what is today Poland and the Polish border was changed with the USSR given part of Poland and the residents and sent to what as Silesia, Be it as it may the huge German populations in part of the then Poland as partly the reason for the start of WW2
* There never was any justification for the creation of Czechoslovakia. The area was for many centuries Part of the Holy Roman Empire with in parts of the newly created countries having large German communities, Even Prague was centuries the capital city of the Holy Roman Empire, However, there were major Austrian and German populations included into the new state - eg Brunn a total German City became Bratislava. At the outbreak of World War 2 Germany had already incorporated the German populations into Germany proper, but after the Second World War the Germans were expelled from Czechoslovakia and the Communist Regime took over, Never really sustainable the union of the Czech and Slovakian areas fell apart in 1992.
* Romania was given the Hungarian area if Transylvania and is still a source of serious discontent,
* The main monstrosity created was Yugoslavia made up of totally different language and religious groups. No need to go further about that one at all, What happened since the fall of the Communist Regime was to be expected and wars erupted,
The Economic Factor
Aside from the incorporation of major parts of Germany into other fringe states - there was a determined effort on the part of the Allies to destroy the German economy. The industrial parts of Germany was occupied by French and English armies and the succeeding Weimar Republic was saddled with a massive war debt, As expected the Mark as a currency was destroyed - first by the period of limitless inflation and secondly by the Great Depression of 1929 to1933.
As to be expected the above encouraged major fringe political groups - the socialists were particularly strong with tw o wings which hated each other - namely the communists on the one side and the fascists (Nazi's) on the other side was fighting each other openly. In desperation the Germans elected Hindenberg as President and authorized him to re-install the Monarchy, The majority supported monarchists did not have the majority needed to govern on their own and was forced to choose between the Communists and the Nazi's to form a Government. The aristocracy and even the later King Edward VIII of the UK - remembering what happened in Ekaterinburg - picked the Nazi's to the disenchantment of the commercial interests of the UK, France and the USA.
Despite everything not favouring the Germans there was a massive economic recovery in Germany in the years following the Great Depression and the German Economy did what happened prior to World War 1 - it became a serious competitor for especially the UK and USA industries. I mentioned the vehicle industry - but it covered other industrial fields as well.
The Jewish Issue
This issue was after WW2 given as a major reason for WW2. What really happened was that the Jewish population in Germany benefitted massively from the hyper-inflation of the 1920's and in the 1930's was the mainstay of the Communist Party in Germany,
When the Communists became under pressure after 1933 the Jewish population was bound to suffer as well. However, initially the Governments of the later allies could not care a hell about the Jewish in Germany and it was only towards the end of WW2 the Allies pretended that it was a reason for WW2. Was it real reason - I doubt it very much. There never was any demands made to Germany about that issue before the War.
IN THE END THE FIRST AND SECOND WORLD WARS WERE ONLY FOUGHT FOR ECONOMIC REASONS NOTHING ELSE.
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SB
Sorry but total and utter BS used by present day leftists to attack and vilify any politician trying to look after the interest of the people of the country he governs. It has ZERO historical base at all.
Read Mein Kampf....you will find all the reasons for WW2.
I did that some years ago Moz. Didn't take history at school so tried to catch up by reading it.
What he said about the English and how correct his statements were proved to be by the war that followed, is just incredible.
I hope Brexit helps the English to remember what they're made of.
Anyhow, we just gonna ignore the ceasefire then?
Looks like a win for all three parties involved.
SB
You are a bloody idiot and that is total. I wrote in much more detail of what happened in Germany and Russia as a result of the Treaty of Versailles, Italy was not effected by the treaty as it was on the side of the winners of WW1 and gained substantially from the Peace Treaty.
In the main I did not deal with Japan either since the issue center around the fact that in their case the war was based entirely on economic factors only and there was no dispute on the issue. What I did dealt with specifically in Germany was the issue on how Hitler gained power in Germany and why it happened.
Fact is the real reason for the war centered round the growth of the German economy after 1934 and since Germany was effectively disarmed after WW1 it would be easily attacked if their economy threatened existing interest groups in the other world powers. If anybody does not realize that they would be complete idiots. Germany had to grow their army as a bi-product of economic growth - but that in itself was not the actual issue.
What is ignored in the whole process by the present era historians is that socialism became a real threat to the capitalist political elites in Germany and Italy and was already in power in Russia - but convenient for them in Russia they were able to manipulate the situation before the start of WW2, In Germany and Italy they lost control over Hitler and Mussolini and the situation became a serious problem.
Socialism is a cancer and always was. However, the system is still as dangerous as it used o be a hundred years ago and is still used by dishonest politicians and interest groups to control people and reduce freedom. What happened now is even more dangerous than it was then. That is why politicians who protect the interests of the people in the countries where they govern is made out to be Nazi's or Fascists - while the real problem is with the idea of a world dictatorship being mooted by powerful groups in the USA and EU. Those are the agents of a more dangerous group of people than Hitler and Mussolini ever was. They are the present warmongers and have a tight hold over especially mostly leftist crooked politicians, as well as the media used to brainwash people.
Shark
Not a failed artist. A hamstrung one.
His eyesight was damaged when he fought in WW1.
It was part of what pissed him off so much. Returning to to Germany as an embarrassed veteran, damaged physically and always within earshot of Jew preaching about how Germans were stupid to go to war. He hated that they benefited from Germany when times were good but distanced themselves from it when times were bad.
For interest sake. I had an experience that paralleled his. Dated a Jewish girl. She always bragged about her wealth, inherited from her late father that was an accountant in SA during apartheid. Obviously by default earning millions from white clients. Fast forward to 2013 in the new SA, and I sat around a table with her while she explained to some black friends how she understood their struggle and sympathized more deeply with them than any white person could, because she too was from a persecuted race. All this while mentioning her inherited silverware at every course of the meal. That was our last meal/day together.
No I don't hate Jews. Else I'd never have dated her.
Just found the synchronicity to be interesting.