Okay, let's pretend that Rassie is not just a sore-loser crybaby and he is in fact a cou rageous genius who has pulled some kind of master stroke on World Rugby and proved beyond doubt that all the refs are stupid, biased, ignorant cheats.
What now? What do we do to fix the problem?
Any ideas . . . or is all the bleating and whining just for the sake of it without an alternative in mind?
It's not about fixing rugby, it's about desperately trying to cover up for inadequate coaching to save the series.
Take the gray out of the application of the laws...make it yes/no as far as possible...subjectivity is creating a perception of bias... That goes for o n and off the field...make some of the behind the scenes mechanics a bit more transparent...
For the purpose of this thread, I'm World Rugby.
World Rugby is publicly admitting that thanks to Rassie's video, we have screwed up badly, we're very bad people and we're admitting that Rassie and the Ref-Bashers are spot on with everything they accuse us of.
So what would you like us to do now to fix it? Step down? Appoint a new World Rugby Committee made up of the people who weren't the first choices? Make Rassie the head of World Rugby?
Would you prefer no World Rugby organization at all?
Tell me. I'm listening. Just tell me actual things (like actual law changes or procedure changes) and also make it clear how long you would like a game of rugby to last if you won't accept mistakes. Thanks!
How about have the Ref, Ars and TMO do a press conference after each game like the players and coaches do to explain a decision or action taken.
NOTE: This is not to deride or challenge their decisions but rather ask for "clarity" lol or an explanation of how they came to a decision.
E.g. Kolbe yellow/red card.
O'Keefe could say that maybe they felt there was mitigation around Biggars slight block or that Murray's first contact with the ground was with his foot then hand.
That way it would show more openness from WR around the Referees and the public have a better understanding for calls made for/against their team.
xaxi, thank you for an actual suggestion.
World Rugby acknowledge that while a press conference would definitely help explain why stupid and biased people made all the mistakes, it wouldn't actually address the issue of poor reffing that is spoiling rugby.
We believe it would only give the ref-bashers a lot more exposure to angrily demand non-existent answers to the same questions they're already asking.
No we don't need to pretend anything. We don't need to pretend Rassie is a crybaby and we don't need to pretend you are not a crybaby snowflake.
We do not have to pretend Rassie is right because he proved he is via the video. The cumulative effect is devastating.
'that all the refs are stupid, biased, ignorant cheats." - says ou rooitwitterbug
No rooitwit its only you, you half baked loon making out that we think all refs are incompetent or even cheats. Now stop lying yet again.
No Rassie has done a great thing. The IRB must stop keeping this stuff under wraps. They must stop covering up the problem and do something to fix it.
No I don't want Rassie running world rugby just yet although he would be great. I want his to continue his role in SA Rugby.
Rooitwit its time you just admitted you haven't got a clue and stopped pretending you do!
Thanks
To Beeno, World Rugby respectfully ask that you familiarize yourself with the opening paragraph of this thread or at the very least read the heading of the topic.
We have acknowledged our incompetence, our bias, our stupidity and our short-sightedness among an enormous amount of other catastrophic blunders that have brought rugby to the very brink of extinction.
I have stated clearly that we are very bad people. Most of us are atheist globalist Democrat ex-referees from New Zealand who take the Covid vaccines that are available and wear masks while launching nefarious campaigns to get the Yarpies. We are awful.
You said we should "do something to fix it." and we're asking for suggestions on how to fix all this. What is that "something" you speak of? Tell us what to do.
Here we go, Rooi...
Thought I'd take the bait and humor you by giving you some points to pick apart. I wonder how many of the points below are already part of protocol. Let's see if you know, cos I don't.
1) Teams should be informed in good time of changes in protocol that may in any way affect match preparation.
2) Where refereeing is not largely consistent within the same match, or where too many poor calls are made, complainant team may call for a review of the referee's performance. A referee found to be outside of an acceptable margin for error should suffer demerits. Enough demerits = suspension. Enough suspensions = go find another job. The complainant and opposing team management should be a part of these review proceedings and if answers as to decisions are not clear or if the complainant team is unhappy with the result then an appeal should be possible and appeal proceedings heard by an independent body made up of ex players, coaches, referees...and hell why not chuck in legal experts too?
3) There should be no difference in how rules are applied between hemispheres or competitions unless a certain interpretation of a rule is being tested.
4) Rules that are continual points of contention should be reviewed, simplified and clarified so that interpretation is less abstract and instead based on understanding what is written on the page. Any rule that is unclear, can be submitted for review by any player or team management that falls under WR's mandate. Deadlines are to be put in place as to acceptable time allocation for review and ALL answers and decisions to be transparent and open to public.
5) TV officials, often having a better view of the big picture on the field should be able to stop play and bring the on-field referee's attention to the transgression. EG Bird's eye and profile views of scrums as well as team's being offside. TV refs being subject to the same review process listed under under (2) above.
6) A referee MUST know ALL the rules and be able to deliver clear and concise verdicts on the spot. If he can't, then go and find another job. If, at any time during a match, the referee offers a verdict that is clearly contrary to the rule governing the situation in question, he automatically receives demerits.
I have sooo many more but I think that's enough for you to chew on for now.
Its very easy rooitwit.
Other coaches should send in videos like Rassie does. The clips can be reviewed and the refs performance assessed. Too many errors and blatant errors and the guy is demoted or fired etc. The findings of such a review must publish the video clip of the coach and detailed comments supporting conclusions on each incident and their final verdict
Try that for a start.
Your solution is to leave it all as it is. You never want any bad refs dealt with. What a spineless bent jellybaby! Hahahhahahaahhahahaha
But as I said stop pretending you have any clue whatsoever! That way you might reduce the chances of making a jackass of yourself!
Nope rooitwit you said - Okay, let's pretend that Rassie is not just a sore-loser crybaby and he is in fact a courageous genius who has pulled some kind of master stroke on World Rugby and proved beyond doubt that all the refs are stupid, biased, ignorant cheats.
No rooitwit we don't have to pretend at all. More lies now about what you said wont help you.
Well done Plum I think that is enough to shut down poor rooitwit.
He is about the last guy one would talk to about fair play.
This made me laugh...
An independent review of WR made up with 86% of people affiliated with the organisation and only 14% that are actually independent.
Even in soccer where the offside rule and whether the ball actually crossed lines is pretty much the whole deal…..controversy remains. Even after extensive video review. Rugby is much more complex.
The quest for perfect reffing comes at a cost and won’t deliver. Reffing has improved greatly with the video ref. We are now in about the sweet spot. Greater resolution comes with greater delays
Unfortunately the Erasmus tape promises something it doesn’t deliver itself….the right answer. I repeat many of his allegations can be seen the opposite way or are subject to customary leeway, which has evolved over time and is understood by players and refs. These customs allow the game to flow.
Knowing Erasmus and his blatant self serving….this is more about the limelight and less about reffing. But he is such a humble hypocrite.
"So . . . ummmmm . . . make it better is the Squeaky Toy's solution...no, I said less subjective...what's wrong with your comprehension...Do I need to dumb it down further?
Dear WR
Plumland Rugby Union is currently out of the office but will respond by the close of play.
Noted. We await your suggestion as to who should replace the naughtiest, most biased and worst cheating referees (and TMOs) with anticipation.
Dear WR
Plumland Rugby Union is currently out of the office but will respond by the close of play.
I see what you did there.
Dear WRooi
Thank you for your response.
Firstly, we like to address the tone that WR has taken in replying to the suggestions we provided upon WRooi's own request.
It was our understanding that WRooi had accepted full responsibility for the many negative outcomes that came about as a result of their numerous failures to date. The tone that WRooi has decided to take in response to us is not only disparaging and sarcastic but also telling in terms of how WRooi have created the problems which we sought to assist, in some small part, in rectifying.
We have listed some extracts here for your consideration;
"Oh dear, you were doing so well and now you're starting to sound like that donkey chap from the 3rd post"
"Do we wait for coaches to create videos? Do we base it on the sheer volume of squealing?"
"Noted. We await your suggestion as to who should replace the naughtiest, most biased and worst cheating referees (and TMOs) with anticipation."
"...we'll give him lots of demerits and replace him immediately . . . ummm . . . with who? Who should we replace the naughty ones with?
Perhaps, as seems to be the case all too often where WRooi are involved, it's not the organisation itself which is at fault, but rather that certain individuals within the organisation continually manage to find new ways to act in an unprofessional manner and/or are responsible for derelection of duties.
Nonetheless, Plumbland Rugby Union do wish to stick to the task at hand.
However, while we would like to continue the discussion RE the RULE and protocol changes that we suggested, we will only do so if WRooi is willing to replace the rude and sarcastic person that is their representative in this regard. You may also want to review the decision to hire said person in the first place. We do hope that WRooi's benchmark for hiring referees is higher, much higher.
As a show of good faith, we would like to welcome said representative to our offices in order that we may provide Customer Facing training, free of charge and with the best intentions.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards
PLRU
"Thanks Plum, but it's a bit of a cop-out considering we've already made two posts confirming how incompetent we are here at WR and what awful people we are.
Here you go . . .
"We have acknowledged our incompetence, our bias, our stupidity and our short-sightedness among an enormous amount of other catastrophic blunders that have brought rugby to the very brink of extinction.
I have stated clearly that we are very bad people. Most of us are atheist globalist Democrat ex-referees from New Zealand who take the Covid vaccines that are available and wear masks while launching nefarious campaigns to get the Yarpies. We are awful."
Again?
Well, you did ask . . .
I never noticed the dismissive treatment of Siya Kolisi until I watched Rassie’s video. The on-field poor decision making of Berry, compounded by the ineptitude and vacillations of Jonkers (who once seemed to me to be a pillar of impartiality), were just that – pathetic decision making.
This treatment of our captain Siya, a humble and committed gentleman, is unacceptable and an affront to the dignity of every South African. Berry and the assistant refs ought to face their own hearing for this alone.
Somewhere in deepest darkest NZ, Bryce Lawrence is thanking his lucky stars Rassie wasn't in the picture a few years back.
Admit 1...can I have 15 secs of your valuable time...tell me aren't you and SonnyBill the same poster?
You seem to pop up unexpectantly but I did notice you do well in rugby competitions...ie the last WC.
Please admit it, that's all.
Otherwise we will think you are Auge in disguise...he has too many names already and he says he does NOT like posting, I guess the same as you but likes reading better.
An honest answer (a long shot) will do...haha.
I'm a very blunt and up-front poster. Show me where I have created any deception. You can't, but I would love to see you scurry about your way to scrape together something resembling information.
Can we "Consider" that whenever someone claims something is true and provides no basis for belief, it is just a mere opinion
