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2019 is a long shot for Boks – Jake

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
21 Nov 2017, 12:37
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21 Nov 2017, 12:37#1

Here is a very interesting article from Jake White


Taken off "alloutrugby.com"


Jake White


The rugby romantic will say it can be done, because it has been done in the past, but I don’t think there’s enough time between now and the 2019 Rugby World Cup for the Springboks to turn it around.


I’m not saying it’s impossible for South Africa to be a force in Japan in 22 months’ time, but I’d say that line of thinking is more for the dreamer than for the guy who understands the quality of the competition you’re up against at a World Cup.


England coach Eddie Jones has compiled a dossier on the All Blacks based on the feedback he got from his British & Irish Lions players – that’s the level of homework that’s going on, so you can’t just arrive with two years to go and think you can catch up.


The people that want the Springbok job will say that you can build a team in two seasons. Kitch Christie got the job late in 1994 and ended up winning in 1995, but that was when the game was still moving from being an amateur sport into professionalism, and South African rugby was probably more professional than most other countries at that time.


As far back as I can remember Doc Craven was offering bursaries for players to come play at Stellenbosch. And the army would draft guys into a regiment to play for that province – so good players would go to Heidelberg to play for Transvaal, or Pretoria to play for Northerns. So, although it wasn’t playing for money, it was still very professional.


Jan Pickard offered guys jobs in the liquor industry and they were basically employed to work in the area so they could play for Western Province. They weren’t getting rich playing rugby but they were hand-picked to play for WP and those players worked out at the gym and trained because they were signed up to play rugby first, and then sell liquor second.


Liquor reps could go to gym in the morning, get to the office late and leave early to go to training. And a lot of that group ended up going to the World Cup.


Kitch had a lot of those Transvaal players who were looked after by Doc Luyt. I remember them working for Mondi, a paper company, because one of the board members was involved at the union.


But times have changed and South Africa is not the only professional rugby nation anymore. It’s a lot more difficult to turn a team around in one or two seasons now because, no matter what you do in that time, the other countries have been doing it for the past three years.


If you look at what Joe S. chmidt and Eddie Jones have been doing at Ireland and England, and then you’ve got Michael Cheika and Steve Hansen going to another world cup, those countries have got continuity and identity.


When other countries have kept consistency in selection and coaches, it’s a real mismatch if you’re trying to catch up to that.


Handre Pollard is a good example. Is he the flyhalf now or will Elton Jantjies have the inside lane once the World Cup comes round?


In New Zealand, even though Lima Sopoaga plays every now and then, Beauden Barrett is the starting No 10. People are still debating who South Africa’s first-choice flyhalf is. That’s the kind of thing you lose when you don’t have continuity in selection and coaches.


If there’s any truth to the rumours, the Boks will have a new coach next year and a new coach will have new ideas on selection and playing style.


In 1995, a provincial coach took all his players and went and won the World Cup on the back of provincial success. But you can’t do that anymore, especially in South Africa with the expectations that we have with team selections.


However, if any country could go from being rock bottom to a World Cup contender in two years, South Africa would be that country. There’s something in a rugby player that is easier to trigger when he’s been written off, and none more so than South Africans.


We are generally at our best when we have our back to the wall.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
21 Nov 2017, 13:37
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21 Nov 2017, 13:37#2
This is Jake White speaking in riddles saying SA are stuffed- but if they employed him as coach there would be hope after all.
Anytime any international job appears to be open, he is talking himself up. He starts off saying that it is impossible, but then says it is possible (with the right coach).

Jake White: "The rugby romantic will say it can be done because it has been done in the past, but I don’t think there’s enough time between now and the 2019 Rugby World Cup for the Springboks to turn it around.


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However, if any country could go from being rock bottom to a World Cup contender in two years, South Africa would be that country. There’s something in a rugby player that is easier to trigger when he’s been written off, and none more so than South Africans. We(ME) are generally at our best when we have our back to the wall.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Nov 2017, 14:42
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21 Nov 2017, 14:42#3
Yes I think he is pushing hishat into the ring. But I don’t mind that....it shows his passion for the contest. And his teams were always up for the contest. Firing the man after winning the WC was indulgent and spiteful. He is absolutely right about consistent selections. . That said I always thought the chaps in Heidelburg played for Eastern Transvaal......in the glorious red kit of that great province.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Nov 2017, 14:42
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21 Nov 2017, 14:42#4
Or, he could be saying that he did it but it cannot be repeated this time around. If that is correct then he has a point, I think.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Nov 2017, 16:10
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21 Nov 2017, 16:10#5
 It can be done if the new coach is just as lucky as he was back in 2007. Jake will snake.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
21 Nov 2017, 16:24
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21 Nov 2017, 16:24#6
Jake White is a decent coach. Much better than Coetzee, or most coaches in SA.He was a least smart enough to give Tootsie's backline attack coaching responsibilities to Eddie Jones.
2007 was the luckiest draw ever. It was hardly even a world cup, given that SA had to beat Argentina and England to win the world cup. England at the time was poor, as were many other teams at the tournament. 


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Nov 2017, 17:36
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21 Nov 2017, 17:36#7
 Never said Jake is a bad coach. The contrary, I think he is a great coach, but he is also a snake. In his book, Jake comes first, but the Boks need a "bit of a doos" to coach them, so I won't complain too much if he gets the gig again. Mallet is no angel either...nor Mitch...and methinks Dingo Deans can be a handfull too.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Nov 2017, 23:25
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21 Nov 2017, 23:25#8
“2007 was the luckiest draw ever. It was hardly even a world cup, given that SA had to beat Argentina and England to win the world cup. England at the time was poor, as were many other teams at the tournament. “ Are you guys never going to accept that that is just plain BS? How many more times do we have to revisit it? We beat England (twice) who beat Australia. England also happened to beat France, who beat NZ, as well. And just to put the cherry on top we beat Argentina who demolished France who beat NZ. The simple truth is that in 2007 neither Aus nor NZ deserved to be on the same stage in the final with either SA or England. England was not half as poor as you are making it, considering where they had to fight back from to secure a place in the final.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
21 Nov 2017, 23:56
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21 Nov 2017, 23:56#9
I do think the Boks might have won the tournament, even with a hard schedule. 2 upsets by the All Black and Australia did, however, make the run in very easy. 

The team also had many Springbok greats just getting into their peak career form, like Habana, Matfield, Fourie Dupreez, Bakkies, Juan Smith, Schalk and others.
A much better team on paper than the Boks of 2017.Jake would get better results, but he may kill the game as a spectacle at the same time.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
22 Nov 2017, 00:37
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22 Nov 2017, 00:37#10
 Even if Jake became coach. I Don't think he would suddenly dominate. NZ are still leaps and bounds ahead of any side in the world. And I Can't see them not going three peat tbh. I Think Ireland are going to be the real threat to NZ though. England are a tad over hyped and overrated imo.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Nov 2017, 00:55
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22 Nov 2017, 00:55#11
Well.....NZ has had 8 great years. They are still the dominant team. But they have been beaten twice and played to a draw once this year and were beaten by Ireland a year ago. They were also close to losing against the Boks and Scotland. The opposition is clearly much closer, better coached and no longer as defeatist as they were. Ioane is a great new player, but who else? NZ have dragged opposition teams up to a new level....from here things get interesting.
CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
22 Nov 2017, 02:55
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22 Nov 2017, 02:55#12
 Wouldn't read to much into the AB's form at the moment, replacing lost talent after 2015, injuries and bringing through new talent all have an effect.I am more than comfortable with were we are at.
Also some of the other teams are improving such as Australia, England, Ireland and Scotland which should make 2019 very interesting but still backing the AB's to make it a 3 peat
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Nov 2017, 05:13
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22 Nov 2017, 05:13#13
 Alblacks still comfortably ahead of the rest of the pack, but it is encouraging to see some of the others stepping up.
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