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5 Talking points about the SA Super Rugby games this weekend

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Mar 2018, 11:31
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12 Mar 2018, 11:31#1

The following from news24:-


"Sport24’s Herman Mostert highlights FIVE talking points after Week 4 of the 2018 Super Rugby competition:

1. Stormers 0/10 in New Zealand

The Stormers’ 33-15 loss to the Highlanders was their 10th straight defeat in New Zealand.

An 18-16 win over the Hurricanes in Palmerston North in 2013 was the last time the Capetonians notched a win over Kiwi opposition abroad.

Even more alarmingly, since Robbie Fleck took over as coach, the Stormers have conceded 36 tries and 233 points in their last five matches in New Zealand.

READ: Stormers' last 10 results in New Zealand

2. Confusion over coaching roles?

The Stormers' defensive frailties - especially in the wider channels where they’ve leaked several tries - have been badly exposed thus far in 2018.

This got me thinking: Perhaps there is confusion among the respective coaching roles, especially since reported role changes at the start of the season.

It was said in February that the role of Paul Treu, formerly the team's defence coach, would be changed to assistant coach for structural play.

Treu is now believed to coach the team until the third phase on attack, while on defence he takes charge from the first phase until the set-pieces.

Paul Feeney, last season’s backline and skills coach, is now officially in charge of attack and defence from unstructured play, while Russell Winter, last season’s forwards coach, is the assistant coach for forwards and contact situations - this area includes the breakdown scenarios.

One would be forgiven for being somewhat confused at the above-mentioned explanation... just imagine how the players must feel!

3. Mitchell, Bulls will find the going tough

John Mitchell is expected to bring about a change in fortunes at the Bulls who have struggled in recent years to replicate the successes of their predecessors.

Mitchell has pleaded patience with fans, urging them to not expect too much too soon and Saturday’s 20-14 defeat to the Reds proved as much.

After racing to a 14-3 lead, the men from Pretoria lacked composure when it mattered most as they fell by the wayside in the second half.


Mitchell is now 1 from 3 (33%) at the Bulls and ironically it matches his overall win percentage as a head coach in Super Rugby - he previously coached the Chiefs (2001), Western Force (2006-2010) and Lions (2011-2012) with limited success.

With better player resources at a union like the Bulls, Mitchell is expected to do better but it won’t get any easier in the immediate future as away matches against the Chiefs and Crusaders lie in wait.

4. SA’s best fall to New Zealand’s worst

The Lions’ 38-35 defeat to the Blues in Johannesburg was not a good result for South African rugby.

It was South Africa’s best side losing at home to New Zealand’s weakest side.

It was however a game the Lions should never have lost - having led comfortably - 21-3 and 28-10 - at different periods of the game.

The Lions’ decision to stick to a high-risk, attacking approach in the latter stages played right into the hands of the dangerous counter-attacking Blues.

Opting for a high percentage approach when the situation demands is a lesson the Lions can take from Saturday’s defeat.

5. Sharks can hit hot streak

The Sharks got their season back on track with a commanding 50-22 win over the Sunwolves in Durban.

It was not the best opposition but the Sharks impressed with their off-loading skills (they completed 14 off-loads on Saturday - sanzarrugby.com) as they ran in seven tries to claim a bonus-point win.

The Sharks are now off to Australasia for a month-long tour where they’ll be confident of notching a few wins.

Compared to the Stormers and Bulls, the Sharks have a slightly easier tour.

It starts with a clash against the Brumbies in Canberra this weekend, before dates with the Rebels, Blues and Hurricanes.

The Sharks will fancy their chances against the Brumbies, who have looked below-par thus far, and one - or perhaps two - more wins on tour may be a realistic goal.."


It s\is always funny how the SA journo's get  it wrong most of the time as is evidenced by the following:-


Stormers game


Here he goes off the rail  - referring to the large number of tries conceded in the last five matches played in New Zealand by the Stormers - and said nothing about the game on Saturday.    He said it is alarming that the Stormers  allowed more tries to be scored against them - but refrain from sayng that they also scored more than double the tries they scored in the past,


There is also an absolute quiet on the issue of the impact injuries had on the team in New Zealand - where two of the Stormers best players were out temporarily on Saturday and three the previous week


Not worth commenting on this.


Bulls game   


The comment is a laugh a minute.   In the second half there was no "composure" left in the Bulls - they merely stopped playinga nd let the Reds get 90% of the balls and territory in the second half,


Lions game  


Here he failed miserably in identifying  the real problem again - the atrocious defense of the Lions backline players and the poor ball handling and aimless kicking by some providing easy handover of possession to the Blues and for counterattacking. .


Sharks game       


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2018, 18:58
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12 Mar 2018, 18:58#2
Craig Lewis has a very similar view of the Lions game to Herman Mostert; What we learned from the fourth round of Super Rugby, according to CRAIG LEWIS. Lions lacked composure when it mattered most The Lions will look back on Saturday’s 38-35 defeat to the Blues and wonder how on earth they came out on the losing end. The home side had led from the second minute until the 80th, and yet a last-gasp try to Murphy Taramai handed their New Zealand opponents a shock result. After leading 21-3 just before the break, and then 28-10 after 55 minutes, the Lions were guilty of letting the Blues back in through unnecessary errors and a frustrating lack of composure. Particularly during the latter stages of the clash, the situation called for cool heads, and for the Lions to slow proceedings down and close out the game in the right area of the field. Instead, they opted to persist with a high-risk, fast and loose approach that allowed the lethal Blues to strike back on the counter-attack. Despite the disappointing result for the Lions, this loss serves as an important lesson in opting for high-percentage play when the circumstances demand it, rather than just resolutely sticking to an ambitious approach that flirts with relentless reckless abandon.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2018, 19:01
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12 Mar 2018, 19:01#3
Mallett says the following: 'The turning point in this game was the charge-down when [Aphiwe] Dyantyi couldn't get his hand on it. The ball just had a fickle bounce. Just as he dived for it, the ball left the ground and he did not get downward pressure on it. So it was a good decision not to award the try. But that was a real pity for the Lions because it would have taken the game away from the Blues. 'Full credit to the Blues. They made 938m against 547 for the Lions. The Lions had to make 177 tackles and 86 for the Blues. The Lions missed 32 tackles against 12 for the Blues. The Blues made 208 passes to 110 for the Lions, so nearly twice as many, and they enjoyed 63% territory as opposed to 37%. Those are really dominant statistics in terms of metres made, forcing the opposition to tackle more and, in the end, it was the better team that won. 'In the last 20 minutes you expect altitude to play a part, but unfortunately for the Lions, the Blues finished stronger. I just had a feeling at the end of the game, when they won the turnover off [Malcolm] Marx, who went into the tackle with the ball in the wrong arm. They then played the whole way down the field and it was inevitable that they were going to score. 'This is worrying, because the Blues had lost their first two games and have come to our best franchise and beaten them at home. We have a lot of work to do and it is a pity about the Lions performance, because I did not think they would lose when they were ahead by 18 points at one stage.'
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2018, 19:04
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12 Mar 2018, 19:04#4
Not clear where Mallett gets his stats.....ESPN has it 658 metres to the Blues vs 465 for the Lions.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Mar 2018, 20:01
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12 Mar 2018, 20:01#5

Mozart

I am not very keen

 on what newspapers wrote about games, since they rarely identify the real problem  so ably identified by you = namely the defense deficiency of the backs,
The problems relating to the Bulls they also misdirected, so lets leave the matter there,
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
13 Mar 2018, 12:10
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13 Mar 2018, 12:10#6
I said after the Bulls first win of the season that it should be taken with a pinch of salt. Now after two losses in a row, my thoughts on the matter are proving accurate. I still have my doubts about Mitchell. He is a damn side better than what cam before him, but I am still not convinced he is all that. After all, what has actually achieved as a coach? What significant tournaments has he won? I feel people have an elevated opinion of him, and it is not justified. I remain hopeful, but I can't see the Bulls ending above 8th in the overall log at the end of the season.
Until the powers that be realise Fleck is a useless coach, the Stormers are doomed. 
I think the Lions got a bit of a wake up call on Saturday. Basics first, fancy stuff later. 
As for the Sharks, well nothing can be read into the win against the Sunwolves. So far against decent opposition, they have been rubbish. I expected more from them this year.   
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Mar 2018, 12:55
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13 Mar 2018, 12:55#7

Bluebok

I am in general in agreement with your comments on the various teams - though I found what happened to the Bulls rather weird.   The Bulls was fully in charge of the game in the first 20 minutes and then gradually started to fade out of competitiveness,  

They were very competitive throughout the Hurricanes game and was also competitive in the Lions game - but ran out of steam against the Reds.   How that happened is anybody's guess - part of it could be due to jet lag, but it also relates to some forwards in the team.  

For instance the forwards in general was not up to standard, but De Jager stood out so much that he was selected by Sanzaar in their team of the week - the rest just bombed out,  The result was that the Bulls in the second half was 90% of the time in their own half  and had ball possession only 10% of the time, which s really inexplicable and problematic if the Bulls performances in the previous two weeks are borne mind.

I still believe that the extremely atrocious tackling by their backline caused the Lions to lose the game.         

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Mar 2018, 13:02
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13 Mar 2018, 13:02#8

The Bools is a work in progress. They will have up and down results until they settle as a team

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sharkbokCaptain23,256 posts
13 Mar 2018, 14:23
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13 Mar 2018, 14:23#9
The Bulls still have too many players in the squad that represent the Marias era- basically stupid unfit slow donkeys with no game plan. 
It will take a while to remould the team- and also get rid of the players that have been too far brainwashed- or just have no ability to think from the outset.
The fact is the Bulls are playing much better than what they were last year. 
Mitchell needs time to recruit some quality players, while offloading the donkeys.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Mar 2018, 14:48
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13 Mar 2018, 14:48#10

Lions had a bad day at the office. They could just as easily have won the game had Dyanti scored that last charge down try. They also made a bunch of errors that allowed the Blues into the game. It happens.

Sure their defense was poor.

Are the Blues really that bad considering how close they ran the Chiefs?(think it was the Chiefs)

The Lions are also missing a good few key players and have been very unlucky with injuries.

Whitley, Kriel, Combrink, Skosan and Mnisi. You don't just replace 33% of your team an expect to go on as normal. Whitely, Kriel and Combrink outside of Marx are probably the best players in that team. How would any team do if you removed their best three?

JSVR is also just back from a nasty injury. Mostert has had to play out of position as well. Everybody knows Dreyer is lacking but there isn't a suitable replacement either.

The Blues did what the Bulls should have done. They ran hard at the Lions midfield.

There's no mysetery as to what happened and why.


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