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Started by Mozart11 REPLIES389 VIEWS· 10 Jul 2013, 16:08
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jul 2013, 16:08
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10 Jul 2013, 16:08#1
Metres gained by the Sharks vs the Bools. The Sharks also led in tackles broken, defenders beaten, rucks won etc....only trailing in clean breaks. How did they lose? Kicking is the answer. First Lambie, then Viljoen missed sitters. This underlines the unattractive truism that the first man you pick should be your best kicker.
OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
10 Jul 2013, 16:37
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10 Jul 2013, 16:37#2

Spot on Moz - some things never change. This is especially true of any SA team.

 

Lambies enterprising play has been almost non-existent (the Sharks backline woes are well documented) so that leaves only the goal-kicking ability to be considered -  I thought I would never say this but with Goosen hurt is it time to consider the Kat as the backup Bok flyhalf ? because even though his physical abilities are ordinary at least he can kick consistently and he plays with some mongrel. My concern is he seems to lack pace and quickness, which Lambie has, and that is necessary to defend adequately in the international game.

 

 

 

 

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jul 2013, 16:46
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10 Jul 2013, 16:46#3
I think Lambie's career is in some trouble....so suddenly! He has severely damaged the perception that he is a long term answer at 10. But at 15 Willie is now providing a new dimension, which for the moment is sparking the team. Pat looks like our second (or third if you include Fransie) best fullback....nothing more. He did well at inside centre, but I don't believe he is physical enough for that position or fast enough for 13. It's one of the big surprises of the year so far.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jul 2013, 16:47
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10 Jul 2013, 16:47#4
Mozart Those figures are impressive - the more so that the Sharks basically played with 14 players - taking into account that for instance in meters gained Alberts contribution was 8 meters from 6 carries. I am not entirely sold on the idea of goal kicking being the first and only norm for the selection of a team. It is absolutely essential to have a reliable goal kicker in the team - but that could also count against you as well. Take for instance the show Morne Steyn put up on Saturday. His goal kicking was excellent - the rest of his game sub-par - in fact colourless and poor. That nearly cost the Bulls the game as well.
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KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
10 Jul 2013, 19:02
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10 Jul 2013, 19:02#5

Mr Mozard, The Sharks actually won, it is just the telbord that disagrees.

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SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
11 Jul 2013, 06:15
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11 Jul 2013, 06:15#6

Mozart what is your point? Pretty useless stats,

 

Use it or  lose it

 

Then there is the ,inutes of possesion per try. 

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KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
11 Jul 2013, 10:05
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11 Jul 2013, 10:05#7

Spoon-man, the stats (if you can call them that) does not in itself say much, I agree use it or loose it.  But in this case you must agree that the Bulls never WON the match, rather the Sharks LOST the match.  If the Sharks had a half decent kicker and some individual discipline they would have won by a big margin.  Sharks were let down by three key players. Butch the hasbeen, Viljoen the wanna be and Lambottom the could have been.

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
11 Jul 2013, 11:20
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11 Jul 2013, 11:20#8
Well I have been saying for a couple of years that I don't see what all the hype over Lambie is about. Mostly with a lot of opposition from other posters, but people are finally starting to look past all the hype! Yes I know this has been a bad year for Lambie, and that happens to all players, but he was never as good as everyone thought. Goosen is a special talent, Lambie is just another good player, not a great player.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jul 2013, 11:42
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11 Jul 2013, 11:42#9

 Has anybody got lambie's goal kicking stats for the year. I would have thought they are pretty good. Lambie remains a fine player and showed last Saturday some very special touches. The guy is the  deal and only Goosen of the younger flyhalves and on top form has looked better.

Cat actually has done very well defensively and looks to be very strong mentally.

Morne has had the last laugh re his critics and has proved himself to be the best SA flyhalf this season.

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
11 Jul 2013, 12:27
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11 Jul 2013, 12:27#10
Lambie had some good touches last Saturday, I won't argue that, but then again, he did manage to lose the Sharks that game all by himself, so I guess his touches weren't worth a hell of a lot. I agree with your post regarding Kat and Steyn.
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Bok -Bef$KClub Pro216 posts
11 Jul 2013, 12:30
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11 Jul 2013, 12:30#11

Agree Beeno, guys relax. Lambie is still a very good player. Yes he is going through n dip but I back him to come back with a bang next season. Morne proved his critics wrong and so will Lambie.

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
11 Jul 2013, 22:48
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11 Jul 2013, 22:48#12

Beeno - re: stats

First 4 games of the season - 19 from 20 - 95%

Since then - 41 from 61 - 67%

Season total - 74%

 

It all started with that disastrous Rebels game and he hasn't come right. The place for him to find his feet kicking is not in a Test match. If he does have to play flyhalf for the Boks due to a Steyn injury there will have to be a goal kicker somewhere else on the field (Pienaar?).

 

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