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A measure of the arrogance before the Aussie test

Started by Mozart21 REPLIES1,047 VIEWS· 17 Aug 2025, 01:13
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Aug 2025, 01:13
#1
17 Aug 2025, 01:13#1

Here’s a quote from the genius:


With an eye on redemption, Erasmus hinted at possible changes in the lineup for the next weekend's rematch in Cape Town despite having previously settled on a team. "We actually already picked next week’s team...but we had a chat now in the changing room and that will probably change," he disclosed, signaling a strategic pivot in response to the day’s shortcomings.


This man had so little regard for the Wallabies that he actually chose next week’s team before today’s test. No thought that perhaps something the Wallabies brought to the party might require adjustment. And clearly no conception the Wallabies might actually win one….even though his record against Oz is now 6 wins/5 losses.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
17 Aug 2025, 04:36
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17 Aug 2025, 04:36#2

Bump, bump and on the way down for the so called GENIUS of Springbok rugby.



MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
17 Aug 2025, 11:47
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17 Aug 2025, 11:47#3

If I was him, I would not have mentioned it, in the post match interview.


Now he has to backtrack as it looks like he will make some changes. I hope he has a proper plan otherwise more embarrassment on the way.


Make sure he picks the fittest team so they can play a full 80 min. I also think we might see a 7/1 split on the bench.


Stampkar deluxe possibly?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Aug 2025, 12:17
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17 Aug 2025, 12:17#4

Let me remind comment made last year after the defeat of the Springboks by Argentina. I tink t was Jean de Villiers who said that lose tests wen De Allende is not paling and winning against the same teams when he is in the team.


We saw it yesterday again - Esterhuizen scored his firs try when the paly of Kriel and Du Toit got him a ball with no defenders on site. For the rest he was good in a few cases of defense in the first half and vanished from sight in the second half when the anture of teh game canged in the second half and the A ussies beat the Springboks totalty.


My own comments remain in place tehA ussie est was lost by Libbok and toa slightly lesser degree by Esterhuizen and that is the reason for reasoable criticism of Erasmus. It is tme thats onme of the palyers needs to go out of Springbok selecion and the two mentioned are leaders in the discarding field.


MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
17 Aug 2025, 13:01
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17 Aug 2025, 13:01#5

No Uncle. It’s a combination of older players and younger, running out steam.


Poor poor defensive structures and OZ taking there chances better and in general just a fitter team, that was obviously better prepared.


Rather have a look at Dr.Erasmus who,s luck is running out fast!!


POOR selections, outdated game plan, POOR preparation, Defence structures taking a massive dip and zero Ruck/Turnover proficiency.


Geez you are a pathological liar, shame on you!


You have the nerve to blame Esterhuisen, when he was one of the only Backline players doing his job.


Libbok did drop in form drastically from the first half to the second half. But other than that, the Team had a total lack of structure.


Don’t know what was said in the change room at half time, but it didn’t work.


As per usual you are the biggest BS spreader on this Forum, hands down!!

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Aug 2025, 13:21
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17 Aug 2025, 13:21#6

"POOR selections, outdated game plan, POOR preparation, Defence structures taking a massive dip and zero Ruck/Turnover proficiency."

Who should not have been selected and who should have been selected instead?

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
17 Aug 2025, 13:36
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17 Aug 2025, 13:36#7

Johan grobbelaar or Andre Hugo Venter for over the hill Bongi.


I really like Mostert, but the years is ticking on. Ruben v heerden, Jf van Heerden, Ruhan Vermaak etc instead.


Instead of Cobus Reinach, Faf or Morne‘ vd Berg.


Instead of Libbok, pollard and Sacha on the bench. Or visa versa.


Instead of Dumb Eskom, Marcelle Theunissen or Ivan Roos. Instead of Asenathi Carlu Sadie or Hanro jacobs.


Yes I know we missing Cameron Hanekom and elrigh Louw. Jan Hendrik wessels, when fit only at hooker.


Moodie instead of Jessica as Moodie is more the Future. And Moodie and AE has played together before.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Aug 2025, 13:49
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17 Aug 2025, 13:49#8

"Johan grobbelaar or Andre Hugo Venter for over the hill Bongi. Agreed


I really like Mostert, but the years is ticking on. Ruben v heerden, Jf van Heerden, Ruhan Vermaak etc instead. Agreed


Instead of Cobus Reinach, Faf or Morne‘ vd Berg. I don't like any of those 3 and not Jayden either...nor Jantjies...we need someone else.


Instead of Libbok, pollard and Sacha on the bench. Or visa versa. Manie wasn't the problem yesterday, but I would also have gone with SNZ...Polard should be backup only.


Instead of Dumb Eskom, Marcelle Theunissen or Ivan Roos. Instead of Asenathi Carlu Sadie or Hanro jacobs. Yes, I don't like Eskom, but we did OK with him there...Kolisi wasn't that bad either...our bench lost it for us yesterday.


Yes I know we missing Cameron Hanekom and elrigh Louw. Jan Hendrik wessels, when fit only at hooker.


Moodie instead of Jessica as Moodie is more the Future. And Moodie and AE has played together before. Kriel made a couple of errors on defense, and although Moody is the future, Jesse is still our best 13 ATM.




KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
17 Aug 2025, 14:06
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17 Aug 2025, 14:06#9

I beg to answer the question?


But we now have seen for years that Rassie teams are always scrappy. They scrape by and they play a suffocating type of game.


But now that Nienaber after 20 years no longer by Rassies side, he looks very ordinary.


Remember it was Nienaber that instill that ethos, you empty your tank. Keep doing what I ask you to do and keep your head down.


I like brown and I think having both him and Nienaber would be better than having the clown Rassie on the sidelines.


Nienaber has another year left on his contract at Leinster but it won't surprise me if he show up in the bok camp sooner.


Rassie has a massive coaching team. I wonder stick and David's are doing there. Time to trim the fat


Rassie is so caught up in the politics these days that he is getting carried away

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Aug 2025, 16:00
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17 Aug 2025, 16:00#10

Yes it’s a fair question to ask…..were Nienaber’s disciplines the thing that made the Boks a winning team. Disciplines that may have lingered on last year, but were nowhere to be seen yesterday. We lost that game because of defense. When you have a 20 point lead your defense ought to be able to see out the game.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
17 Aug 2025, 16:33
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17 Aug 2025, 16:33#11

I wonder if Nienaber will come back? The Money must be better at Leinster.


Will he come back as a assistant coach in charge of defence, where he was head coach last time?


I do not know if Flanery is such a strong Defence coach …. But our defence, even vs Italy and Georgia, has taken a nose dive.


So yes it won’t hurt having Nienaber the defence Guru back.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Aug 2025, 16:56
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17 Aug 2025, 16:56#12

I differ from you on that defense was shot - but also attackling play - white line fever took over in attacks.


Nienaber left was never the coach responsible for disciplne in the team - he was the head coach - but left the Springbok set-up in 2023 after the WC.


There were no dicipline problems last year in any team alt year - but some really buggered up selections in the Argentine away test last year and hat was repeated yesterday, I would start with Fassi - after his brilliance last ear ihe produced nothing bar crab this year, Time for a new full back to be blooded is overdue - Fassi amy recover if his full back position s under threat - a his satge e produce nthing in tests,


The second flop selection was Esterhuizen.- despite his gft try he scored ersterday or soe contribution he made early in the firs half he was supershit and the moved to a loosie position where he was even worse, In thes eond ahlf he vanished from he scene altogether, A dead head player that should never be in a Springbok team.


Then we have the serial flop Libbok at flyhalf - I cannot undersand why the serial flop is still in he Springbok squad.


Thenw e have Kolisi - a number 6 loosie - but also on the way out. He cannot play at 8 and should be on he retirement list. If he is to be retained he may fit in as a bench player - he cannot last even 60 mites in games anymore,


That brings me to dead head Eskom - after Alberts the worst loosie I have ever seen playing for the Springboks. I would bring in Roos at 8 and when Hanekom is back move Roos to 6.


Then we have Mostert. A fter the Springboks dominate n the first half bringing in Mster t he did squat in ehs econd half and contribution to loss of domination in the second half, Tim for a proper lock to bring on as aprt of the bomb sqaud - Powder Puff is not the aswer anymore.


I ama lso beginning to thin Kwagga is nt realya solution.as part of teh bomb squad - Just thinking he is too weak physically to compete against stronger and more physical players.at breakdowns.





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PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
17 Aug 2025, 17:02
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17 Aug 2025, 17:02#13

Mike shut the fuck up. Esterhuizen moved to the loosie position when yesterday? Jirre you are a discredit to this board, the game and your family. Quite possibly the biggest liar I have ever encountered in my life, not without your own string of toadies defending your abhorrent behaviour here of course.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Aug 2025, 17:08
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17 Aug 2025, 17:08#14

Esterhuizen was our best back yesterday…..Simpleton keeps blaming him.


Libbok missed 40% of his tackles yesterday and even those he made were weak efforts and he threw the intercept that started the debacle. Draad thinks he wasn’t the problem.


Some honesty please.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
17 Aug 2025, 18:20
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17 Aug 2025, 18:20#15

Draad Paul de Wet from the stormers is quite a good scrum half. Who else is there? Papier maybe?


Why don’t you like Faf and Morne’ vd Berg?

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
17 Aug 2025, 18:25
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17 Aug 2025, 18:25#16

I think Uncle Boobs is deliberately trying to upset us with his lies. Who in there right mind would keep on lying like that, and expect people to believe him or take him seriously??


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Aug 2025, 00:02
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18 Aug 2025, 00:02#17

Can anyone remember DDA having a better game than AE had yesterday?


I can't.


Notice how often he was there in support to take an offload. Notice how he broke the line. Notice how he actually hits people in tackles and doesn't try hugging them to death.


The try that come from his attempted offload at the end of the game...notice how he was there, with urgency, trying to make something happen. Another thing DDA doesn't possess...urgency.


It shameful that AE has been so wasted by Rassie.






MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2025, 00:24
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18 Aug 2025, 00:24#18

Mallett on our half backs, especially Libbok:


Mallett pointed out the pivotal role of the halfback duo, Grant Williams and Manie Libbok, criticizing their inability to steer the game during crucial moments. "Our halfbacks never managed the game. Nine and 10 have to control a game, and they’ve got to sense when the game is moving in a certain direction," he said, highlighting the lack of tactical flexibility in Libbok's play when the pace slowed down.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Aug 2025, 08:01
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18 Aug 2025, 08:01#19

The ehole team imploded...lot's of opportunities went to waste we couldn't finish anything...we weren't playing like a team. This loss will bring us down to earth a bit. Things will look much better ghe next match.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Aug 2025, 09:02
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18 Aug 2025, 09:02#20

Manie got enough ball that he could have made a difference tactically.


That's his job.


Thats why we refer to flyhalfs as generals.


A general that can't perform when his troops are on the back foot, isn't a general.


We call that a front runner.


Mallet is 100% correct in his assessment. Manie could see the Boks losing control of the game but simply couldn't bring himself to play more astutely.


...and then there is his defence, which is entirely unacceptable too.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2025, 15:32
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18 Aug 2025, 15:32#21

Manie’s defense is the most obvious weakness any opponent should be aware of….he simply doesn’t have the upper body strength to tackle a big forward at pace, unless he goes low. And he doesn’t.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
18 Aug 2025, 15:35
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18 Aug 2025, 15:35#22

He goes to low, he gets knocked unconscious.

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