A new system to avoid scoring of tries against their teams

The system became clear in the case of two disallowed tries in Super 15 this year and amounts to a seemingly new strategy of running into a nearby player when it is clear that a try was going to be scored and that is then claimed as interference.

*   The first case was Retallick running into De Jager when Gelant was already through the gap and having passed the ball to Warren - who scored a try.   Can anyone in his right mind think that Retallick would have enough pace to tackle Gelant by catching him from behind.   Apparently the crooked NZ TV monitor thought that it was possible - but if any NZ team scored such a try it would not be ruled out on he basis of obstruction.

*    The Rebels tried the same stunt on Saturday and it worked for them as well.  De Allende after breaking the line against the Rebels, passed the ball back to Viljoen who went through to score a try.   De Allende - after passing the ball came to a dead stop and the Rebels defender tackled him instead of the actual ball carrier and another similar stunt resulted in what the Rebels wanted- the try was disallowed.   Again - there was zero chance of the Rebels player getting to Viljoen - but the question was clear - what was DeAllende to do when by the time the tackle of him occurred Viljoen was already passed him on the way to score a try.

I think the BS should be recognized for what it is and action taken against the players trying to use that crooked technique to prevent scoring of tries.    Otherwise it will become standard process by especially the NZ players to prevent scoring of tries.   I would say a yellow card for professional abuse is called for in such cases.     

 "I would say a yellow card for professional abuse is called for in such cases."    

That would, of course, require the laws to be amended to include abuse as a sanctionable transgression, don't you think? How do you propose formulating such law and accompanying sanctions?

Well spotted Mi ke. each year the kiwis and bent Ozzies try something different so one needs to be on ones guard at all times tiresome as that may be!

Moolaa

Sorry I am not one-eyed - I am just alerting people about what actually happened in two cases.    The first one was crooking and I think everyone could see that.   Can you in your wildest dreams see Retallick catching up from 5 meters behind catching Gelant at speed before he passed the ball to Warren - that is an impossibility beyond believe.  

So the easy solution was to crash into a virtually still-standing De Jager (at least two meters behind Gelant at the time) and claim obstruction.   If that happen to a NZ team in SA the noise will be overbearing and screams continuous.

The similar incident involving the Rebels game alerted me to the seemingly new technique to abuse the obstruction rule so as to prevent the scoring of tries by opposition teams.

It was not meant as a NZ thing - it happened with the Chiefs and the Rebels - one from New Zealand the other from Australia.  It was a proven observation and I hope that it does not become a vehicle to abuse the rules dealing with obstruction.  I also hope the officials do not allow abuse of that nature.     

Kak story as per normal - but it needs checking up.

Xavi

Thanks for the photo - but what is clear from the abopve is that Hodge did not run in to tackle Viljoen he went straight for De Allende and tackled him, without the ball  From the photo it is clear that De Allende was not in Hodge's way if he really intended to tackle Viljoen either by going behind him or in front of him.  

Still think it was a premediated instance.   Hodge is a horribly poor defender in the Fat Fransie class - in the last two games he made 5 tackles in total missing 4 tackles - ie a MTR of 44,5%.   He was playing at full back on Saturday and  there was at least 10 meters between De Allende and the tryline - so why going to tackle the stagnant De Allende.   With that tackle ratio even if he had a clear chance to tackle Viljoen he would not have made the tackle - so a bit of Hollywood play-acting  was obvious.  

Dofdoos - look at the photo again stupid and do a logical interpretation - sor ry I ask for that because you cannot do that.

Listen - if a player make 5 tackles and missed 4 he is a poor tackler - oh no Mozart thinks he is not - he has not got to the Fat fransie record of 50% MTR and 44,5% is fine when it fits his BS interpretations. 

Well the situation is that he does not know the meaning of the word full back and where that player plays as a rule..  

So I think a shrink may be able to help if he can get through all the Sh1t covering your brain.   

No he was an example of poor tackling and T really am losing my cool with the BS you normally write on site.   Time for you to start thinking before you write BS  on the site,

The question should be for you - you went for De Allende all out as per normal and gave a completely fictional interpretation.  Have you got no shame at all?

The question should be for you - you went for De Allende all out as per normal and gave a completely fictional interpretation.  Have you got no shame at all?  Futher can you n0ot understand plain English BSter?

Mike, the screenshot was simply to show that Viljoen wasn't past De Allende by that time as you claimed. To review the sequence of events properly, watch the video here and see how De Allende changes direction to move into the defender's way. He wasn't stagnant (sic).  Every single thing you said in your description of this passage of play is wrong.

Pakie 

I watched that clip 5 times and could not see where De Allende  changed direction, he moved a few meters to the Stormers tryline and stopped.   Hodge could pass him in front or behind him if there was any tackle on Viljoen contemplated by Hodge.

Be it  as it may that clip also showed the Stormers try that according to Mozart was never scored.  And one of the missed tackles on De Allende was the selfsame Hodge,  If he could not tackle De Allende - how the hell was he going to make a much more difficult tackle on Viljoen?

Must give Hodge credit for play-acting - but the try would have been scored if the play-acting part was not successful.

Suit yourself.

I watched that clip 5 times and could not see where De Allende  changed direction, he moved a few meters to the Stormers tryline and stopped.

These Kiwis have their cheating strategy down to a fine art. It's taught as a subject in primary school.

It doesn't matter how they win ... any underhanded method will do ... look at McCaw and how he carried on ...  just as long as they're ahead when the final whistle sounds.

They have no honour.

Another classic thread. Too funny!

Inderdaad Draad

Sure - it is a kak story - the fact that you decided to ignore that De Allende scored a try on Saturday is indeed a Kak story,   

I almost get the feeling it was sort of an intentional move where DA was supposed to obstruct the defender's view (which is legal, you can run behind one of your own players as long as that player doesn't obstruct the movement of any potential tacklers) and then at the last second give way so the carrier can go through. Only problem is, he ended up making contact with a potential tackler, which then becomes obstruction.

Either that or DA simply found himself in no man's land unintentionally and Viljoen told him to move the hell over. I guess that's as likely as anything.