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A rugby topic: Former All Black Nick Evans: I fear for the future of rugby; NZ Herald

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Jan 2017, 16:22
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15 Jan 2017, 16:22#1

Former All Black Nick Evans admits he fears for the future of rugby under the controversial new tackling laws.

Evans, who quit New Zealand after the 2007 Rugby World Cup and has been a stellar performer for top English club Harlequins since, said he and other players are struggling to come to grips with the World Rugby-enforced changes.

"It is going down a very dangerous route," Evans told Newstalk ZB sports host Tony Veitch from England where the new rules came into effect on January 3.

"Players are confused and they don't like it. We understand it's for player welfare but I don't want it to ruin our game."

Evans, who played 16 tests for New Zealand at fullback or first five from 2004, said high profile incidents from last weekend's round of European rugby illustrated the dilemma.

"A lot of players are holding their hands up and saying 'I don't understand what's going on'," he said.

"You've got referees saying 'we are just applying the rules and we've been told we have to do this'.

"From a player's point of view, it's just not clear.

"I'm not blaming the referees. I can see the difficult position they've been put in. They've been given the directives by World Rugby and they're sticking to them."

But Evans was concerned that World Rugby may have to backtrack on the move to lower the tackle area results in more concussions than previously.

He said that was a possibility as many bigger players might not be able to adjust to the requirement to tackle lower.

"Our coaches have told us we've got to go lower but what we are finding in these opening few weeks is that it's showing the tackling technique of a lot of players just isn't good enough," he said.

"The bigger players are used to going high where they can scrag (attackers). But now all of sudden they're being told they have to chop, and go low around the waist and legs."

Evans said players with poor low tackling techniques were being concussed after placing their heads in the wrong place.

"We are getting more head knocks and concussions and I've got a feeling you are going to see more and more of that," he said. "There's going to have to be more professional coaching on how to tackle properly.

"That might sound stupid but the risk is too high.

"You lose a guy in the first five minutes to a red card and it changes the game massively.
"It's not just the big high shots, the swinging arms and things like that. It's the old collar grab...you can't do that anymore.

"It's also the tackle where you are lunging or reaching and you slide up around the head.
"There might not be much contact but if the referee had deemed it high and if he also thinks it's reckless, the red card comes in."

Evans believes a major controversy in a key game is inevitable.

"At the moment it's OK but if something happens in a big game like a Six Nations decider where somebody slides up off a shoulder in the first five minutes and it's deemed a red card, I'm 100 per cent sure people will say 'this isn't going to work'."

"It has the capacity to change a big game. I don't know what they do about that but it will happen."

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Jan 2017, 16:23
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15 Jan 2017, 16:23#2
 They had better monitor the effects of this new directive as it could really ruin the game. Did they consult the players? I doubt it.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Jan 2017, 16:36
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15 Jan 2017, 16:36#3
 Other views on the subject:Participants get on with the game

By Campbell Burnes

The Herald spoke to five rugby people on what the changes might mean for the game in 2017.

Those immersed in professional rugby are mostly just getting on with it, seeking ways to adapt to the new landscape.

These laws will not be changing. They are enshrined, which is within World Rugby's remit on player welfare.

But there are sceptics and there will be teething issues, as evidenced by last weekend's play in Europe, where there is often a chasm between fact and interpretation when differentiating on a reckless or accidental tackle.

Chris Boyd (Hurricanes coach)

"We agree 100 per cent that safety is paramount in the game. With the increase in medical science and understanding the consequences of contact to the head, we are supportive of that. I think there are going to be interesting interpretations of how that might look, particularly when you get very close to the line, and guys are driving low.

It's going to be interesting, but we just have to adjust to whatever the ruling, just like we did with the trial [laws] in the Mitre 10 Cup."

Rod Hill (NZ Rugby referees boss)

"It's not going to be easy to get it right through all the grades, but we want mums and dads to have their kids playing the game. If we work together, we'll achieve the goal. If we push against it, then you are looking at the game from the wrong perspective. Our challenge as refs is to achieve consistency across the group.

There is a judgmental element as to what is a reckless tackle and what is an accidental tackle. That will make the refs' jobs a bit tougher but at the end of the day, a swinging arm to the jaw equals a red card."

"It's a positive change. We've had the recognise, remove, recover and diagnose type scenario. This is the next phase, an injury prevention strategy. Studies out of the UK show most concussions occur out of the tackle situation, about 30 per cent being the person tackled, and the rest the tackler. Now you can't take the tackle out of the game. That's not what we want to do. But by lowering the tackle, it might just reduce the risk to the person being tackled. It's a tough sport and the contact has ramped up. It's very much a defence-oriented game. This is positive without changing the nature of the game."

Allan Pollock (North Harbour sevens coach)

"I have always been a big fan of training my defence to tackle below the ball. Part of being in a good position to make a tackle is lowering your shoulders and you must leave your feet. If you do all that, you won't have these standing tackles where you are getting shoulder on chin. It does come back to coaching. We have coached a generation to 'big bang' on tackles. That was not the way 20 years ago. Coaching has brought us to that point, and coaching has brought us away from that point."

Isa Nacewa (Leinster outside back)

"We haven't trained any differently. To us, the laws around head-high tackles haven't changed to what was in place around the 2015 World Cup, more so just how it is enforced. What has changed is the awareness of it has been heightened. And how the referee sees it and enforces it. We have just focused on getting on with it."

Offloaders should enjoy law change

By Campbell Burnes


The master of the off-load Sonny Bill Williams sends Ma'a Nonu on his way. The high tackle rules could see the All Blacks, who are masters at off-loading, run riot. Photo / Brett Phibbs

Trouble is brewing for the national sport. Most clear-headed rugby people would agree, from a medical and player welfare point of view, that the new high tackle law changes are positive for the game, but from a rugby standpoint, there are cans of worms creaking open.

One of the largest is the fact that referees, already under strain, have been handed a hospital pass with a ball encased in grey areas. It's clear players must lower their tackling, after years of the tackle height creeping up, but match officials now have to determine intent and have more powers to use red or yellow cards. In TV games, they will head straight to the TMO if in doubt.

Most grades of the game do not have that option, so referees may end up guessing, being over-zealous or relying on unreliable testimony from unqualified assistant referees.

How will this affect the All Blacks and other New Zealand rugby sides?

On the face of it, it will surely mean the likes of Sonny Bill Williams and Kieran Read, on the fringes, will run riot with their offloading games.

Former All Black Richard Turner, who has a first-hand TV view of the new law changes at this weekend's national sevens event in Rotorua, attempted some crystal ball-gazing.

"Our strength in New Zealand rugby is to offload and play the ball in hand game from 1-15. If there is adjustment to the tackle technique, it will benefit the New Zealand style," says Turner, who is among the sceptics about how the changes will be implemented.

But while sides may be nervous that World Rugby have handed the All Blacks a further advantage, things may not be that clearcut.

North Harbour sevens coach Allan Pollock says coaches should not worry too much about stopping offloads but focus on chop (low) tackles.

"My answer is don't stop offloads. You deal with it when it happens. Not everyone is Sonny Bill Williams. If they want to indulge in high risk play like, then reap the rewards," says Pollock, who anticipates few issues at the sevens in Rotorua this weekend.

After all, though increasingly physical at the top end, sevens is not built around defence. The onus, he argues, will be on the next defender shutting down, via a chop tackle, the offload to the next attacking player.

Most Super Rugby franchises were unwilling, when approached by the Herald this week, to speculate on what their game might look like when the 2017 competition kicks off in six weeks. Most are assiduously honing techniques to fit what is coming.

New Zealand Rugby high performance referees manager Rod Hill says there will be full briefing for franchises and referees before the February 23 kickoff, and the pre-season will be instructive.

Hill does not believe things will get out of hand, with cards being dished out arbitrarily, at least until after an initial settling in period.

"If a ball carrier slips [and is tackled high accidentally], we're not going to have red cards for those sort of things. We want to be practical about how we apply things. We're not sending guys out there to marshal traffic on the corner.

"We want to work closely with teams to make sure we get it right and fair," Hill says.

Turner has questions, as do many, around areas like TV games stretching to almost two hours, judging a tackle on a player driving close to the line to score, and on the growing burden on referees.

"The intent is correct but you are just introducing more subjectivity to the laws of the game and that's the problem," he says.

There was controversy in the first week in Europe. Do not expect much difference in the first week of Super Rugby. But, regardless, the tackles will have to come down.

NZ Herald

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Jan 2017, 16:52
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15 Jan 2017, 16:52#4
 All concerned seem to be politically correct. If the tackler can't wrap his arms around the man with the ball for fear of a "high tackle" yes SBW and a lot of other kiwi players will run riot
The "gray areas" will encourage the likes of that babbling bleater Beeno to complain about the ref
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
15 Jan 2017, 17:16
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15 Jan 2017, 17:16#5
 A urge to write an article.
Rugby is a chasm between fact and interpretation.
Rugby separated matches with means of video and matches without Football is releuctant to introduce the same because football is an inclusive game at heart? They made the decision that players should be refed the same way, whether they are sunday league players or multi millionaire players
Etc

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
15 Jan 2017, 17:39
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15 Jan 2017, 17:39#6
...A Good point about players being equally susceptible to injury with players now forced to go low... and how poor tackling techniques putting yr head in the wrong place and copping a knee ,a hip or boot to the head will result in head injuries as well..which ironically is what the new laws were introduced to prevent...

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Jan 2017, 19:12
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15 Jan 2017, 19:12#7
 Mozart, you have been watching NH games I believe. Have you reached any conclusions on how it is impacting the game.  
XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
15 Jan 2017, 19:19
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15 Jan 2017, 19:19#8
 While player safety is the obvious concern I agree with Brycy that their will be more incidents of tacklers getting knocked out by elbows, knees and hips.
Trouble is that 20 years ago 2 props at 100kg( just say) running into each other was a clash of Titans. Now days its two wingers or centers and these guys are doing it at athlete pace.  Our bodies cany handle these clashes.
The bigger, faster and more skilled our players have got the more dangerous the game has become.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Jan 2017, 19:41
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15 Jan 2017, 19:41#9
 Yeah, it was safer in my day slow of pace & slight of build & we Xavi the players are far bigger and backs are now as big as many forwards used to be what with the weight training & supplements. The collisions are huge. So what to do. Hopefully they have stats on the number of injuries the tackling caused and they can see if the new interpretation helps.
I have a feeling it will be like the scrum changes made to protect the front rows, i.e. the will fiddle around with it - what a rocky road that was & I still haven't seen stats showing the changes increased player safet y. Hopefully the changes related to tackling wont mess up the game.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jan 2017, 19:42
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15 Jan 2017, 19:42#10
 My guess is the rule will stay and the bigger players will have to learn how to tackle properly. I was concussed once getting my head in front of the knee....I never did that again. I have thought for a while the head in the face tackle is dangerous and under policed. This law helps solve that problem.
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