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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Feb 2018, 18:49
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04 Feb 2018, 18:49#1
.....or more precisely a sticky bail, didn’t help Quintie. Lucky not to be out on his first ball, which didn’t dislodge the bail despite hitting the wicket....he nonethless couldn’t ride his luck. Amla, Zondo and Morris were our only bats who could actually middle the ball. The emotional decision to make a struggling Markram the captain, despite his lack of batting form also didn’t payoff. Is there any intellect behind this madness? The Indians are having this young, newbie team for breakfast.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Feb 2018, 00:30
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05 Feb 2018, 00:30#2
Comment: Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer Cape Town - Clobbered ... for a third time in a row by India at one-day international level, and with Sunday's violent reverse also representing one of South Africa's most embarrassing from any nation in the format. If their batting was relatively anaemic in the six-wicket defeat in Durban in the first of six encounters, the latest by nine wickets around lunchtime at SuperSport Park - exactly which Einstein insisted that everyone trudge off for a meal with India two runs short of the inevitable? - saw woes at the crease only multiply by double or more. Virat Kohli's increasingly ruthless team got home in this one with all of 177 deliveries to spare after the weakened Proteas, their batting fragility on paper so quickly and disastrously confirmed on the scoreboard, were bundled out for a Centurion record low of 118 in 32.2 overs. Add in the eight-wicket triumph by the Indians at the Champions Trophy in England last year, and they have South Africa well and truly by the short and curlies in ODI cricket right now. Certainly as things stand, 2-0 to the good and four to play, there is a massive chance that India will do exactly what their opponents did when they last toured that country in 2015/16: lose the Test series but dominate the limited-overs stuff. If they claim game three at Newlands on Wednesday, meaning the series at least cannot be lost by them, the Indians will already have ensured their best bilateral ODI outcome on South African soil, after four prior series defeats here. Such has been their dominance of the first two fixtures, however, that they also threaten to hand the hosts one of their heaviest home series defeats by anyone: the depleted Proteas will require a major turnaround just to claw one back over the course of the next few days although Newlands is at least a treasured general cricketing venue for them. South Africa have won their last three ODIs at the ground (Sri Lanka, Australia and England) even if, that said, India's own last visit in January 2011 saw them sneak a win by two wickets. Whilst India have made notably short shrift of chasing down low-stress targets at Kingsmead and SuperSport Park, the bowling arguably remains a source of lesser concern to the Proteas - it is difficult to make major inroads when you simply don’t have enough runs on the board to create pressure - than their batting work. It was almost unrelentingly awful on Sunday, quite regardless of the debate that raged among observers about just how much (if at all, some were submitting) the pitch was "Indian-like" in character. Again befuddled by the wrist-spinning wiles of Yuzvendra Chahal and Kuldeep Yadav, the shot-selection, patience and common sense levels of the Proteas batsmen really didn't cut the mustard, and Kohli wasn't afraid to put the boot in - in the costly absence of SA's former Affies schoolmates and kingpins AB de Villiers and Faf du Plessis - in his immediate pitch-side TV interview afterwards. He described the South African middle order as "inexperienced, a bit shaky" - probably knowing that it will hardly aid the host nation's confidence in Cape Town - although he was simply confirming what would already have seemed evident to so many. Compounding matters at present is that the Proteas' tail is dangerously long, seasoned commentator Mike Haysman reminding that having Morne Morkel at No 9, for all his virtues in other areas, is a well less than dreamy state of affairs. Once they get De Villiers (probably by pink-day game four at the Wanderers) and Du Plessis back - regrettably only beyond this series - SA will automatically reassume a more stable look at the crease; let's not forget that. Another injured batsman - roughly a week or 10 days away from fitness, I understand - who thoroughly deserves to come back into the ODI picture as quickly as possible is Temba Bavuma, who sports 161 runs from just two earlier appearances in this arena. But for more immediate needs over the next week or so, the Proteas will only continue to look dangerously short of proven (plus suitably deep) firepower with the blade, and also plagued by lack of form in several instances. Big-hitting David Miller has eight runs from his last three ODI knocks to hint at just another of his frustrating, under-delivering patches, JP Duminy continues to retain a place only grimly despite a massive 181 caps - it indicates just how few young gems are pushing with the right force for international honours - and Quinton de Kock also still looks an inexplicably unhappy bunny at the top of the order. With a full cupboard of premier resources hopefully available to them again well in time for the next World Cup in 2019, the Proteas should restore some sense of an even keel in the batting department over the next few months. But what we are seeing at present is a glimpse, perhaps, of certain next-tier personnel who will have to step up more routinely when all of Messrs De Villiers, Amla, Du Plessis and Duminy call time on their Proteas careers - quite possibly simultaneously, and maybe after that English-staged CWC. Keep in mind that a currently "spare" batsman in the ODI squad, Farhaan Behardien, who may just be asked to beef up the cause at Newlands in this mini-crisis, is also not exactly up-and-coming at 34. As things stand, the post-2019 arsenal doesn't look enormously appealing, or widespread …
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Feb 2018, 00:38
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05 Feb 2018, 00:38#3
Houwig has it right....our cricket is beginning to look a lot like our rugby. Over hyped, not ready new players failing miserably when the pressure is on. The huge mistake fans, the press and selectors have made is to assume the flow of talent represented by our last generation of players is simply going to keep on giving. So it was easy to call for the axing of Matfield, Burger, JdV, Kallas, Amla and Smith....rather than using these generational greats to train our newbies. To compound that we have discarded a true pro like Jake White and treated the coaching job as a political event. Now we are almost starting from scratch in both our major sports, with very little new talent emerging. It’s looking very bleak.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Feb 2018, 04:40
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05 Feb 2018, 04:40#4

Mozart

Thanks for the posting - but you mentioned only De Kock as being coming short.   Of the e names mentioned by Houwig - two (Amla and Duminy failed in the first two ODI's,    De  Kock made 54 rums in the two games, while Amla made 39 runs and Duminy 34 runs,  

The problem is that there are really problems - but that situation will not be cleared up by your constant moans.   Let me remind you that initially Kallis also failed and was kept in the team, because he showed promise.   The same applies to other younger players - give them a chance to settle in,                  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Feb 2018, 05:42
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05 Feb 2018, 05:42#5
What.....like we have left Coetzee, Allende, Kriel, Jantjies, and Cronje in place. Have they settled in? Of course not there was no basis for the selection of these players and certainly no basis for their retention after serial failures. Our one day cricket team could benefit from a few experienced players. But the injuries haven’t helped. And the decision to make Markram captain is bizarre.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Feb 2018, 07:25
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05 Feb 2018, 07:25#6

Mozart

Are Coetzee, De Allende, Kriel, Jantjies and Cronje cricket players - I thought this thread was about cricket.

I know you have no idea about future development.   With De Villiers and Du Plessis gone permanently after 2019 - must we do a stupidity like happened in the past not to start looking at the future captaincy?    

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Feb 2018, 07:25
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05 Feb 2018, 07:25#7

Mozart

Are Coetzee, De Allende, Kriel, Jantjies and Cronje cricket players - I thought this thread was about cricket.

I know you have no idea about future development.   With De Villiers and Du Plessis gone permanently after 2019 - must we do a stupidity like happened in the past not to start looking at the future captaincy?    

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Feb 2018, 12:58
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05 Feb 2018, 12:58#8

Mozart will be very happy - De Kock is out with an injury for a month.   Who will he now blame for poor batting?  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Feb 2018, 19:14
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05 Feb 2018, 19:14#9

Mozart

There is  in your book no future cricket players coming through.   Read the following and you may not be as ill-informed as you normally are when writing on this site:-

"Cricket South Africa has congratulated three of its players on being selected by the ICC for their team of the tournament at the U19 World Cup which finished in New Zealand on Saturday.

Raynard van Tonder, captain of the South Africa under-19 squad, was chosen as captain of the Select XI while wicketkeeper/batsman Wandile Makwetu and fast bowling all-rounder Gerald Coetzee were also chosen.

Champions india had five players in the squad with South Africa having the next strongest representation.

“Although it was disappointing that we only managed to finish fifth in the tournament it is nevertheless rewarding that some of our youngsters received this honour,” commented CSA Acting Chief Executive Thabang Moroe.

“Raynard deserves a special commendation for being chosen as the best leader at the tournament and this follows on our 2014 captain, Aiden Markram, being chosen as Player of the Tournament.

“It is heartening to know that we continue to produce quality players and leaders through our talent pipeline system,” concluded Moroe.

Team of the ICC U19 Cricket World Cup 2018 (in batting order):

Prithvi Shaw (India) – 261 runs

Manjot Kalra (India) – 252 runs

Shubman Gill (India) – 372 runs

Finn Allen (New Zealand) – 338 runs

Raynard van Tonder (South Africa, captain) – 348 runs

Wandile Makwetu (wicket-keeper) (South Africa) – 184 runs and 11 dismissals (all catches)

Anukul Roy (India) – 14 wickets

Kamlesh Nagarkoti (India) – 9 wickets

Gerald Coetzee (South Africa) 8 wickets

Qais Ahmad (Afghanistan) – 14 wickets

Shaheen Afridi (Pakistan) – 12 wickets

12th man: Alick Athanaze (Windies) – 418 runs"
Van Tonder did better than Graeme Smith did in the same competition and is really worth following.   Makwetu is a very good batsman and wicketkeeper.   Coetzee is a 17 year old bowler and all-rounder - he already bowl at 140 k.   He did no play in two matches due to injury, but in the one game he came in late to bat and made 29 runs from 13 balls.     


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Feb 2018, 21:47
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05 Feb 2018, 21:47#10
Maybe....but we wont know until they finally get to play international cricket. I watched our boys bombing to Pakie, it wasn’t heartening. In the meantime we know the current crop of Protea youngster have been over hyped and under challenged.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Feb 2018, 00:25
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06 Feb 2018, 00:25#11

So it is only the youngsters who let the team down,   What about Amla, Duminy and Miller?  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Feb 2018, 05:55
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06 Feb 2018, 05:55#12
Duminy and Miller wouldn’t be on my team.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Feb 2018, 06:49
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06 Feb 2018, 06:49#13

So your team will consist of whom?    Will it entail a recall of Smith and Kallis?   The fact is that Amla also failed in both ODI's so what is to happen to him?

I am amazed that you  have learnt nothing from the flop Meyer made in recalling has beens and ended up with a situation where the team ends up with a major problem.     You now apparently wants the same farce in cricket,

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