We have limited stats available from Supersport, but it tells the story that our eyes could see:
DDA against Japan:
minutes Played Total
80
carries Meters
29
carries Crossed Gainline
5
Stuart McClosky against New Zealand:
minutes Played Total
56
carries Meters
47
carries Crossed Gainline
9
McClosky was so much more effective against top tier opposition, dynamic into contact every time. His replacement by Aki was rank stupidity if it was tactical and Ireland paid for it.
The stat 8 saw, after the march had Allende as the third highest player in the match regarding meters gained.
Arendse was highest followed by that Jao forward Finch I think his name was, an older player.
Pakster the scribler seems your stats are fake.
Allende had a fine game.
And where would he have made those meters, Beeno? Did you watch the game?
Beeno, DDA had two semi impactful runs. That's it. That's literally all he did...in 80 minutes.
Can I ask, how many of the tries scored h the backs involved DDA?
It's bloody astonishing to think that anyone could watch that game and cal lit a "fine" performance.
Andre was more impactful, playing out of position, in the brief time he was on the field.
Anyhoos...Rassie said that rotations etc are over now and he wants to win. So you can bet that Kriel and DDA will start against France.
S hit comapaisiobn like myou quoted above is total and utter BS made by a prejudiced idiot.
I know. People that make these comparison don't realise how good you think Esterhuizen is.
Just excuse them. We know you know your rugby and rate AE as the best in SA.
That other post, the one where you said AE should captain the Boks, I fully agree with that too. A great idea
Yes Mike, of course Andre should have been part of that comapaisiobn, but since he played flank I thought it would be unfair, and we want to give other players a chance to shine too. Next time, promise.
Dumbplum
I make typing mistakes - but dies not dream up BS like you specialize in. One thing became as clear as daylight - Esterhuizen is a better player as a loosie than he is as a center.
Dimshit Pakie
Your omparison with Mc Closkey is only applicable if the two players play against each other. We will see what will happen in the test beween the Irish and the Springboks three weeks from now,
DDA did what he does best. Tractor and forms rucks…..the world’s best one Dimensional inside centre.
AE is Adaptable enough to even play as a loosie. He also was regularly to be seen in the 12 channel, distributing like he also always does….Defensively he was all over the field.
So he is truly a much much better Inside centre and even a loose forward, than Dumb Allendig can dream off.
You really really have to ask yourself how Dumb must Dr.Lucky be, to still select a DDA above a AE at 12??
Especially because we trying to add more Backline structures….
Your omparison with Mc Closkey is only applicable if the two players play against each other.
Uhm, no.
It’s obvious Hozen is far better suited to Brown ball….so either Lucky doesn’t intend to play Brown ball against Ireland or France….or he doesn’t want to change something that has worked for him.
What we have missed for 7years is the potential that a creative distributor at 12 brings.
We saw it against the All Blacks with Andre's superb scoring pass, a pass you will never see DDA make. Yet we go back to the guy crawling forward with a defender hanging on his ankle, doing nothing to create momentum or opportunity. Just standing there tugging and tugging half a foot forward per second while the dumb commentators sing the praises of his strength and the defense gratefully resets.
Yep that sums it up.
Pakie
De Allende made that tyoe of pass often - but you never sees anything you did not want to see, That was whym your comments are shot at best.
De Allende made that tyoe of pass often
Then it shouldn't be hard for you to find an example. Stop blustering and bring something to the table for god's sake.
By often, Mike means not a single time in 80+ caps. I can remember one pass to Cheslin relatively recently, where DDA got through a tackle and then passed high and behind him.
And it's nowhere near the passage of play that AE was central to which culminated in the pass to Kolbe against the ABs.
AE chases Kolisi's break with real urgency, Manie rucks over, AE picks up the ball and looks up, he sums up the situation and runs a perfect line to draw in a handful of ABs(he knew exactly what he was doing here and that was the bit of play that actually deserves the credit but everybody focuses on the pass - he sees three defenders and he chooses a line that draws all of them), and then releases the pass. It wasn't just the pass. It was all the work and brains that went into everything before the pass that makes AE vastly superior to DDA.
AE is the man. He's the perfect 12 for these Boks. Huge, strong, experienced, quick enough, clever, finds work and creates.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha the anti Rassie, anti Du Toit and anti Allende clowns making themselves a laughing stock yet again.
Mike is right, Esterhuizen looked a better flank than he ever did as a center.
I have just posted Kiwi Lada and guest picking a Bok team. The guest raves about Allende.
To the the lost oaks living in their little echo chamber this is all to much for them.
I find the idea of one of these dopes sitting down to discuss rugby with guys lie Mallet, Rich and Nel and opening up by smearing and belittling Rassie hilarious. I would love to see a video of say Mozzietard trying to explain his absurd notions to them. Bwahahahahahahahaha
But of course one only hopes he doesn't mention Ruckers Forum as that would be embarrassing to the rest of us!
Having watched Allende and Esterhuizen for years I am certain Allende has better all round skills including better passing skills. Its why the most astute coach in the world has picked him ahead of Andre for so many years and why Allende has earned universal praise apart from a few unhinged loons we have polluting this board with their drivel.
Oh give us the evidence the dopes complain! Go and watch all the tests played by Allende with an open mind and there is your evidence. Make sure you have visited the optician first as your eyesight could be faulty like the malfunctioning moztroscope! Hahahahahahhahahahahaha
Pakster Mike has schooled you lot about Allende for Years now. But your Allende Derangement Syndrome is so bad you just cant take it in. Get out of your tiny little bubble and you will soon find out nobody agrees with you. You guys are clowns, unintentional clowns, and have no idea how ridiculous you appear to sane people.
Another scenario Pakster walks into a pub full of Bok fans and gets all snarky about Rassie, Du Toit and Allende. I leave it to your imagination to envision as how it as ends for poor Pakster the loon.
RIP Pakster!
Mike is right, Esterhuizen looked a better flank than he ever did as a center.
Imagine saying this about the center who was there during both our record wins over the All Blacks - on the back of a few minutes at flank against Japan.
The level of complete and total ignorance about the game that requires is simply mind boggling.
My mom says I'm a legend and she knows me better than anybody else.
So, I'm a legend.
For evidence, refer to mom's words.
Plum
In the case of t his year - in most tests he palyed in Estehuizen wa on th e ebncs a loosie -or elected t play outside of t hinking flyhalfs, as far as I know it happened n both the Jul tests - this year against low-rated countries and he onl sarted n two tests as a center.
Plum the problem wth Estrhuizen is low pace and slow thinking ability when it comes to playing in the center position. As a resut he is a failure at center - and no amount of sainthood you spread will chan ge that, Onme sin gle pass n 21 tests played at centerwill change that.
A proven in th e Jan and oth er tests he played in Esterhuizxen can play a positive role as a blindside loosie - as a cneter he is a failure for a variery of reasons and that is why Erasmus after detailed computer-based evalaution of every minute Estehuisxen is on the field - will not select him as a center in future. In that regad ES PN stats is not even a remote consideration.
White in 2014 said and elected him as a loosie in 2014 in two matches used himas a blindisde loosie and Ersmus did the same in tests this year a fter elaving out Esterhuizen in the 2019 RWC squad and even though h e inmcluded him in teh 2023 squad he was only used in 2 tests against Georgia and Tonga. In 2024 he buggered u royally by getting redcarded within 3 minutes after the start of the match and was banned for four weeks and Ersmus did not select him to play RC matches and in hie end fo ear ests he played in one test,
This year he palyed in a few more tests and his est performance ever were in scoring 2 tries at cneter and amde a pass u and others used as a sigle advantage he produced. However, like happened before Erasmus used him as a blindside loosie and that si where he was good in on Saturday, Insofar as the URC matches is concerned he failed miserably at center this year aas a well and the malfuncionin of the 10 and 12 playes resultant deficient backline play caused the ridiculous loss against Ulster. In the case of the Scarlet match the opposition wing ran through the gap between the flyhalf and the inside center and scored the teams third try. Both Masuu and Estrhuizen fronze up and did nothing to prevent the scoring of the try.
After seeing how Esterhuizen perrformed on S aturday - ten tmes better than dead head Van Staaden did - I wold always support Esterhuizen as a loosie - but never as a center.
Te otehr thing ht would cause hysteria on your part is that I view Hooker should paly at 13 or on tehw ing at 12 with very little space to operate in he would be a waste of talent at 12. I realize that De Allende should eb replaced - but only when rela experts claim that it si necessary and Easmus will replace him - probably by Willemse in time to come.
In the case of the Scarlet match the opposition wing ran through the gap between the flyhalf and the inside center and scored the teams third try. Both Masuu and Estrhuizen fronze up and did nothing to prevent the scoring of the try.
No, he ran between Williams and Smith. Masuku wasn't even on the field. Holy shit. Talk about batshit for brains.
I guess ou Maaik just "schooled" me again, hey Beeno? LOL.
Uncle BS the serial Liar….’So toe soos n Klei Os se Gat’
Like I said, one can take nothing that Mike says at face value.
Mike, your memory isn't what it once was.
Beeno, perhaps you could assist the oom.
Check your facts before you post else you're gonna keep being shown up.
He has access to the footage. He probably watched it because he recalled the details well, that it was a wing who went through the gap, for example, which I had already forgotten. This is deliberate lying. He wants to blame Esterhuizen and Masuku for the Shark's woes, so he shoehorns them into this situation even though one isn't even playing and the other is defending his channel 10m wider.
At what point while making up facts to win a debate does a reasonable person realise they might be totally biased?
And no doubt the response will be "Okay it happened differently but still...Esterhuizen...blah blah blah."
Mike always lied, even years ago….his standard practice is to bring back the lie when the incident is forgotten. In a few months we will read how Esterhozen froze.
We shouldn’t complain, we give him relevance by biting on his BS hook line and sinker…..he will never change, and besides that’s what he wants…..
Yeah well, you want to preserve some form of integrity on the board. But it is lamentable that such a senior member of the board shows so little respect for the game that brings us all together here. Have any opinion you want, but respect objective and verifiable truths. It's not a lot to ask.
Aaaand McCloskey gets the 12 spot in Planetrugby's team of the week.