@boklogic,
regarding some of ur comments,,,
"Sas - Very easy to take a guys statement and put your own spin on it but take the statement as a whole. I can also take your statements and break them down with my own spin but its clear for all to see."
im not taking ur statement and putting a spin on it, im quoting ur actual posts and replying to them. its easier for me to do it this way when there are a number of issues raised, its how i roll with everyone who posts multpile topics or examples i wish to debate or add onto, its not just u. and if u look carefully, i pretty much did comment on ur whole post.
"Ps. Mils was being left out for Dagg. Cowan was a fill in too. Kahui was shoved on the wing to fill a gap. Smith is your starter. SBW couldn't crack it (for some reason) over Nonu. Those guys are all good players but dont come close to what our players were for us. All were replaceable if not already replaced."
first of u need to remember why these players were mentioned in the first place. u said (tot the tune of the worls smallest violin) that one of the many reasons for the Boks getting whipped recently was the fact that Boks had lost heaps of players and brought in players and the transisiton hasnt been smooth, compared to the All Blacks who had.
i mentioned mils being left out cos he has been a key component to the All Blacks success against the Boks the last three years, but if by ur logic i cant use him as an example, then WTF are u using juan smith as ur example, a player who hasnt played for the Boks since 2010??? o_O
the rest of ur comments on the All Black players shows u know next to nothing about the state of affairs within the All Blacks.
cowan wasnt a fill in, he was the incumbent half back all of 2010 and 2011, but henry correctly played him at the right time, he had very average RWC form though, and fell down the pecking order as a result, but make no mistake, he was a key player for the All Blacks.
kahui was shoved on the wing to fill a gap??? not one iota of clue bro, not one. for a casual observor, it would be easy to see kahui as a gap filler, but his career was plagued with injuries, so his test numbers isnt as high as is should be, but watch 2011 and u will see exactly why he was the incumbent, not gap filler for the All Blacks. gap fillers dont make players of the claiber of sivivatu miss out on squad selections.
SBW couldnt crack it over nonu. the All Blacks first 5 tests in 2012 had SBW wearing the 12, not nonu. the only time nonu wore 12 was when SBW had to leave for his japanese games. BTW this was the first time the All Blacks picked a player who had already declared he would be playing overseas (something i disagreed with), more testament to just how much more rated SBW was over nonu.
not as good as ur players, pfffffffft what ever, but ur wasting ur time trying to tell me that dribble, watch the bulk of the All Black/Bok tests with those players to see how they stacked stacked up against each other, i can gurantee u i will be the only one smiling.
"Every kiwi team plays the same. Only difference is the Chiefs and Crusaders are better at it as their structures are better. Hurricanes attack anything too but they just more susceptible to mistakes. Just like the Blues."
all NZ teams play attacking rugby, not just the chiefs, crusaders and hurricanes, its why NZ conference was the only conference where every team scored 40 or more tries and also the only one where one team (cheifs) scored 50 tries.
i can get into the differences of the NZ spXv franchsies, but it would be wasted on u, not in a make fun of u way, but in a u just wouldnt really bve interested, given ur innocent but ignorant comments on NZ rugby in this thread.
"Stormers dont counter attack? Joe Pietersen, Habana and Aplon are always looking to have a crack. They may not get the desired result all the time but they like to run it so that is an untrue statement."
in the hurricanes game against the stormers, joe peiters on cacthes the ball outside his 22 and has habana on his outside, and de jong on his inside, the defenders in front of him are toomaga allen, matuu and karl lowe, a prop, a hooker and flanker whose as slow as vermeulen, the hurricane defenders running are covering huge grounds between them and what does joe do??? u guessed it, he boots it deep into the canes 22. this is just one example i can recall but i know there have been a lot more.
when the stormers played the lions last year, SA commenattors were talking about how rubbish the stormers were for not going for the tries, despite them at the time needing a bonus point to surpass the chiefs on the ladder. this is the very nature of the modern day stormers rugby, zero attacking nous.
take habana out of the team and watch the stormers fall into attacking debt.
"Just like you say that the Boks may not have got those penalties had he slotted his second, I can say that the AB's will not have got that momentum if Jantjies was not on. See Sas, we can all put our spin on statements (except Rooinek, he isn 't smart enough)."
sigh, :o/
like i said it wasnt a spin and if u were to read what u worte originally, plus my reply, u would realise that u just proved my point, it might take u awhile to fighure it out, but u will.
the fact of the matter was, the momentum was already with the All Blacks when goosen was still on, if u dont beleive me, watch goosen get steam rolled by whitelock as the All Blacks score a try.
ive watched that game at least 10 times easy with in a fortnight of it being played, i dobut u have watched it more then once, other wise u would know that.
"I have no doubt the Boks would not have crumbled as they did if Goosen had stayed on. Cant play a test match with a club flyhalf and thats what we had. A nervous, useless 10 against the best in the world and it showed. These games are on a knife edge. Moments influence the outcome and Jantjies coming on was exploited time and time again. Every Bok around him had to help him with his job whilst neglecting theirs!"
wacth the dunedin test and take a look at how goosen opened the door for aaron smith to score the crucial try.
watch the sowetto test and see goosen not in position to help defend the line and force hiom to quickly rush and fail to stop whitelock, SA commenattors even mentioned this a number of times, but they and i are being harsh under the circumstances.
PS..Dont compare your new coach with ours. Your coach has been with the team for years. Ours came in fresh! Really no comparison. Hansen picked up where Henry left off. Ours started out from scratch."
fact,
2011 ABs coach - henry
2011 Boks coach - PDV
2012 ABs coach - hansen
2012 ABs coach - hansen
a new coach is a new coach no matter how u spin it, but those that do pay careful attention know that their are vast differneces in the style that henrys All blacks played and hansens of last year. breakdown control has taken a back seat to breakdown clearnce for one, and then their are many new little things too.
as for ur question regading andy ellis, again, no clue regarding NZ rugby. theres a reason perenara, barlow and the best half back passer in the game aaron smith are all in the team, their style is more condusive to what the All Blacks are trying to achieve.
