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WG
What's going on?Club Pro237 posts
20 Aug 2013, 04:48
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20 Aug 2013, 04:48#1

 

All Blacks lock Luke Romano and first five-eighths Aaron Cruden and Beauden Barrett have all been ruled out of the second Bledisloe Cup Test against Australia in Wellington.

Scan results on Tuesday revealed bad news for the trio, most notably Romano who will miss the rest of the Rugby Championship after tearing a groin tendon early in last Saturday's 47-29 defeat of the Wallabies in Sydney.

He is not expected to be available until New Zealand's tour of Japan and Europe in November.

Cruden damaged a ligament in his right knee during the Sydney Test, where he was a standout performer. His time out of rugby could be anything from two to six weeks, with diagnosis to continue this week.

Barrett, who replaced Cruden in the 70th minute at Sydney, has a minor calf strain and should be available for New Zealand's third Test of the Rugby Championship, against Argentina in Hamilton on September 7.

All Blacks coach Steve Hansen said the loss of physical forward Romano for the remainder of the four-nation championship would be heavily felt.

"It's obviously hugely disappointing for Luke but he is a strong character and is already planning his rehab with our medical staff."

Hansen had prepared for the worst, calling in uncapped loose forwards Luke Whitelock and Brad Shields this week.

That was primarily as cover for Liam Messam, who is still sidelined by a hamstring strain, but also for blindside flanker/lock Steven Luatua, who will help fill the void left by Romano.

At first five-eighth, Hansen had already recalled former All Blacks playmaker Colin Slade and the uncapped Tom Taylor as cover for Cruden and Barrett.

They are fourth and fifth-choice options in the position, with Test great Dan Carter having been sidelined last week by a calf strain.

"It's an exciting time for the replacement players and it's also a challenge now for the rest of the team to make their entry into the side as seamless as possible," Hansen said.

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2013, 05:50
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20 Aug 2013, 05:50#2
Steinlager I am a bit worried about the situation - especially since the win by 17 points on Saturday was good - but depended too much on individual players like Cruden, Ben Smith and McCaw. There were some players who did not bring their parts and in this regard a few should have their backsides kcik hard - maybe they will wake up. Here I think of Dagg, Nonu, Read, Whitelock and Retallick. The latter 2 did not bring their part in line-out play and the former two were just not up to standard. . Dagg produced virtually nothing - and Nonu's defence was putrid and his attacking play a few crashbball exercises. The loss of Cruden - the second best All Black based on Saturday's performance - is problematic. I have confidence in Slade to fill that position. Despite him playing for a poor franchise this year - he showed some flashes of brilliance in Super 15. The All Blacks to my mind suffer from a lack of depth in the lock situation - they have Romano - not very good in line out work - but relatively good in tight phases of the game, Whitelock, better in line outs and looser formats of the game - but not effective in tighter phases and Retallick - a poor line out jumper - but otherwise with similar tendencies as Whitlock. In some ways Romano together with Whitelock provides a more balanced pair than Whitelock and Retallick - so the loss of Romano is important. I think the AB's would still win - provided that all players who -under-performed on Saturday - get their performances up to standard. Would be interesting to see what Hansen comes up with in the selection of the team. I would say that the lock paiting of Retallick and Whitelock will be retained , with Luke Whitelock on the bench. I would also think that Slade will start at 10 - with Taylor on the bench.
WG
What's going on?Club Pro237 posts
20 Aug 2013, 06:02
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20 Aug 2013, 06:02#3

Yeah i know Clever mike. Cruden is a big loss to us but we relish a good challenge.

You're right in It just means other players like Dagg and Savea that hardly touched the ball last Saturday will have to get more involved.

But if we can beat the Aussies with our B team that will be a big blow for them and will make our victory even sweeter. 

It is also a great opportunity to blood players like Taylor and test the depth we have in NZ rugby. I have every confidence though in our B team and am sure they can do the damage.

 

 

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
20 Aug 2013, 07:46
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20 Aug 2013, 07:46#4

3 GUYS INJURED AND its revert to B team? I always believed the way NZ play they are more vulnerable at home than away

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2013, 10:56
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20 Aug 2013, 10:56#5
Cloudy Thanks for the reminder - those are very average Super 15 level locks - none can be ascribed as anything near test level locks. The fact that you mention Thorne is also really indicative how bad the situation really is. Cupboard is bare - really very bare.
SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
20 Aug 2013, 11:18
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20 Aug 2013, 11:18#6

I don't get this Brad Thorn thing? Only thing he have ever done was impair the Kiwi line out and were allowed to spear tackle players without punishment. 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Aug 2013, 11:25
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20 Aug 2013, 11:25#7

@spoony,

its exactly the bakkies thing, in NZs eyes all he ever did was give penalties away and lumber around the field doing nothing.
but both thorn and bakkies were held in  the highest regard by their countrymen, thorn was our enforcer and the tight stuff was his bread and butter, a big contributor to the All Blacks continued dominance.

and ur right, its not a B team, theres plenty of the core players still remaining. its not our strongest team by a long shot, but even without those players i still rate it the best team in the world.

hope taylor gets picked, cos its his time to shine, :o)

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 Aug 2013, 11:28
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20 Aug 2013, 11:28#8

NOOOOOOOOOO PLEASE NOT FRAGILE COLIN SLADE!

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Aug 2013, 11:45
#9
20 Aug 2013, 11:45#9
Can All Blacks win despite injury crisis? 12:45 PM Tuesday Aug 20, 201 NZ Herald Gregor Paul looks over the All Blacks injury crisis which sees Tom Taylor and Colin Slade as the two options to start against the Wallabies in Wellington this weekend. Can the All Blacks win with what will effectively be their fourth and fifth-choice first-fives? Of course they can - they won a World Cup with their third and fourth-choice first fives. It's not ideal by any means but that's the beauty of having experienced players throughout the team. Watch Ma'a Nonu and Conrad Smith take control of the decision-making and Richie McCaw and Kieran Read bark the orders and lead by example. Is Aaron Cruden a red-flag athlete already? Possibly - but arguably all first-fives are regardless of age, longevity or physicality. Jonny Wilkinson missed nearly three years of rugby in his mid 20s. At 85kg, Cruden is always going to be vulnerable to injury - he runs hard at the traffic, is brave and sadly his style and size are a bad combination when it comes to potential injuries. How big a blow is Luke Romano's injury, aren't we covered at lock? It's actually a bit deceptive at lock. Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick are quality operators - big men, in form and comfortable at this level. But modern rugby requires for test teams to have a third option and without Romano or Dominic Bird - who hasn't been tested yet anyway - the All Blacks suddenly look a touch light in the boilerhouse. Jeremy Thrush is a long way behind the established three and after that...well there really isn't anyone. So who do you start with - Colin Slade or Tom Taylor? Taylor would be the best option despite being uncapped and Slade having 10 test appearances. Taylor's goal-kicking is immaculate. His temperament in what we have seen of him so far is excellent and he's a tidy, composed and versatile footballer. The occasion won't overawe him and his form was consistent throughout Super Rugby.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Aug 2013, 12:11
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20 Aug 2013, 12:11#10

thats why ive got no problems with taylor or slade, the core of the team is still intact and that is the key.
having taylor and slade in the team means that both players will give it more then the usual all that players usually give, they know all too well that regardless of how well they preform, carter, cruden and barret will still be ahead of them in the pecking order. but what they can do si put in a solid performance and make shag and fozzie ask some serious questions.

luke romano is a huge loss, but we still have brodie and whitelock who will both be the clear incumbents now so in terms of starting 15, we lose nothing.
but the backup lock is a differnt matter all together, and i think luatua just got some more gametime, he is the natural replacment as wehn messam returns it was going to be hard to fit lutua in the 23 man team.

they need to call in the back up lock though ASAP, thrush is IMO who they have next as the 4th pick lock, but i reckon callum relalick should get a decent look and also hoeata, both ahve heaps to contribute.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Aug 2013, 12:35
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20 Aug 2013, 12:35#11

From what i remember Hoeata was a hard man type. Retallic will just get better and better but we need a good back up and some development players for the long run. All good, better to develop them now than a year from now. Makes the games more competitive anyway.

Might even give some Boks fans some hope, lol Easy boys just kidding :)

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Aug 2013, 12:57
#12
20 Aug 2013, 12:57#12

 Second string abs. Cry me a river!!!!

Boks are missing the talents of Malherbe, Bekker, Burger, Jaque Fourie, JP and a few others who coiuld have made the match 22 like Arno Botha and CJ Stander. In addition the world's best scumhalf will only be available for home matches. 

No lame excuses please ab fans I thought injuries never effeced any side in your opinion. Bwahahhahahahaha

 

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
20 Aug 2013, 15:01
#13
20 Aug 2013, 15:01#13

Sasuke

 

Thorn was broad in to counter Bakkies. So NZ went through a lot of shit like impairing their line out which Matfield had a field day with just for a bloke you see as giving away penalties.

 

Did you forget why Bruassouw looked better than McCaw? Thanks to Bakkies ruck cleaning. Bakkies was so effective that they had to change the laws for him. What did Thorn do of note.  

And this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr1-TGaVoks

 

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIkrrJGxK3U

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0vSAOkMPDU

 

and I could go on and on. So what did thorn do?

CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
20 Aug 2013, 15:22
#14
20 Aug 2013, 15:22#14

sorry to say but it seems the AB boys are allready making excuses....the boks have been plagued by injuries over the years. i say fair game.

 

@spoony brussouw looked better than McCaw because he has a better skillset on the dirt than McCaw. bakkies played the game hard but he went over the line on quite a few times. where as Eben plays just as hard but has already alot better dissipline.

 

 

 

 

CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
20 Aug 2013, 15:28
#15
20 Aug 2013, 15:28#15

piri is to slow as a no9 but slade is more than capable

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2013, 15:37
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20 Aug 2013, 15:37#16
Cloudy Thorne was never colossal - he was at the best of times an ordinary lock put on a pedestal by AB supporters. He was always average in line-outs and he was that in the WC as well - not as if the AB's beat the French convincingly in the final either - so where the colossal came from heaven only knows. He is past tense and any idea of him playing for the AB's is ridiculous - especially since he did have a part in an under-performing team this year. So lets forget about Thorne and think of the present. And lets agree to disagree about him as well. Some of the other locks mentioned by you would find a very hard time in SA to make the Super 15 teams in SA - so the cuoboard is really bare as I said. And the Wallaby locks outplayed the All Black locks on Saturday as well. Whitelock was generous - he donated penalty after penalty - as well as a yellow card - to the Wallabies and was bog ordinary otherwise. In fact the AB line outs were a lottery and if it was not for Read - the line out wins would have been even fewer. Unfortunately - although I admire many players in the All Black team - they do have problems in two positions - hookers and locks - all other positions are actually well-covered.
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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
20 Aug 2013, 17:01
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20 Aug 2013, 17:01#17
na chill, injury's go with the territory at this level. Every team has injury problems. How you deal with it is the key to a real successful team. Bok wal and the AB have to deal with it. Leaders in the team step up and the whole team needs to lift there standards to cover the replacement.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Aug 2013, 17:25
#18
20 Aug 2013, 17:25#18

 

A coupla years back (before the 07 wc) Henry had worked on a A and a B side. Damned if I know which was more powerful.

 

All I remember is they wiped everyone they played against out of the way.

 

Injuries bring about opportunities for other talented boys to make their mark.

 

These boys need to stand up and be counted cause in years to come the history books will have the result recorded ... with no mention of whether it was by their a, b or c side.

 

 

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