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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Jun 2016, 20:13
#1
25 Jun 2016, 20:13#1

Scrum strength just eye popping, by Richard Loe; NZ Herald


A s a prop from a past era, I got a shock last night when the Welsh tighthead Tomas Francis got popped.

His arse went in the air first, which shows poor technique, then he burst out like a big red pimple. As a prop a) it's uncomfortable and b) it's not a good look. I said, 'geez, that's one from the old days' to no one in particular. You used to be able to do that and get away with it. These days you normally get penalised.

Such a solid scrum platform was among the highlights in the All Blacks' comprehensive win.

Charlie Faumuina had a great game at tighthead, and the other changes the selectors made to the starting XV improved rather than detracted from the performance.

Elliot Dixon worked into the game well on debut at blindside flanker, as did centre George Moala until he was injured.

Moala's strong enough to crash through tackles and clever enough to run into gaps and put others away.

Liam Squire also brought energy with half a dozen decent carries in his first five minutes. He looked like he loved breaking ground, making tackles and effectively did nothing wrong.

Of the regulars, Israel Dagg was back to his best and worked well with Ben Smith. They chanced their arm a couple of times, but in the modern game, those guys can do that because they have faith in those running behind them. That's especially the case when Beauden Barrett's at first-five. He takes the ball to the line and you'd have to go back a long way to find a No 10 who would bulldoze over in the tackle with players in support like he did. The more he kept the ball in hand, the more his flair emerged. It varies with the first five-eighth. Lima Sopoaga's more like Barrett, but if it's Aaron Cruden, he does the precise things well in tight tests.

Brodie Retallick's presence is worthy of mention, too. In addition to his core duties, he made about 10 tackles, took the ball up and constantly linked in with movements.

The upshot is the All Blacks coaching staff can build an excellent plan for the Rugby Championship. They can be happy with the team's progress, regardless of what has happened in South Africa or Australia in recent weeks. They can afford to analyse those performances more than their own. Playing last night's tempo against the South Africans would leave the Springboks gagging for air. Against the Australians, they just need to be more dominant up front.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Jun 2016, 20:20
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25 Jun 2016, 20:20#2
 The scrum was good but what was fantastic was the attack, here are the stats from NZ Herald
6100%0%0MetresNew ZealandComparisonWales77976.5%23.5%239CarriesNew ZealandComparisonWales11547.5%52.5%127Defenders BeatenNew ZealandComparisonWales3068.2%31.8%14Clean BreaksNew ZealandComparisonWales2382.1%17.9%5PassesNew ZealandComparisonWales16449.2%50.8%169OffloadsNew ZealandComparisonWales1659.3%40.7%11Turnovers ConcededNew ZealandComparisonWales1957.6%42.4%14
This was achieved with only 38% possession.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Jun 2016, 20:24
#3
25 Jun 2016, 20:24#3
The defence was also very impressive because if the ABs only had 38% of the ball that means the Welsh had 62% but they only got 6 points. Here are the stats
TacklesNew ZealandComparisonWales12258.9%41.1%85Missed TacklesNew ZealandComparisonWales1431.8%68.2%30Turnovers WonNew ZealandComparisonWales541.7%58.3%7
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Jun 2016, 20:32
#4
25 Jun 2016, 20:32#4
 All Blacks v Wales: Three things we learned; NZ Herald

Cameron McMillan lists three things we learned from the All Blacks 46-6 thrashing of Wales in Dunedin.

1. Dagg is back to his best

Israel Dagg at fullback and Ben Smith on the right wing seemed a controversial decision for the second test but it has proven to be another masterstroke by Steve Hansen. For the second-straight test, Dagg showed he's back to his best in the black jersey with a near flawless display in Dunedin. He actually had more running metres (196m) than the entire Welsh team (193m) combined. Meanwhile, the man he replaced at No 15, aka the world's best fullback, might also be the best wing. Give him more time at centre and he'll probably claim that title as well.

2. Tough decision looms at No 10

Hansen and his fellow selectors will have a difficult call to pick the first-five for the next test against Australia in August. Beauden Barrett proved he's not just an impact player off the bench and ran the game with ease in Aaron Cruden's absence. It may come down to Super Rugby form to see who wears the No 10 jersey in the next test. Once again, it's another good problem for Hansen to have. Debutants Elliot Dixon and Liam Squire, along with George Moala, who was playing his second test, also made strong cases for inclusions in Sydney.

Read more:
George Moala puts hand up for future tests
As it happened: All Blacks v Wales, third test

3. Dunedin produces great rugby

There are bound to be plenty of tries when playing a test at Forsyth Barr Stadium, well at least from the All Blacks on this occasion. Dunedin has seen 19 tries in the last three tests and you could tell right from the start last night that the fast pace was going to suit the All Blacks. It was always going to be a big ask for Wales to finish their season, especially a three-test series in conditions that suited the home team.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Jun 2016, 20:47
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25 Jun 2016, 20:47#5
 It was clear that Dagg is back in great form & he played well with Ben Smith.
What happened to Sam Cane? He continued to play poorly. Two penalties in 4 minutes and then a yellow card. In the end his defensive stats were good but his attacking stats show only turnover.
Attack7Sam Cane-107--7--1


Defence
7Sam Cane1722
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Jun 2016, 21:34
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25 Jun 2016, 21:34#6
 Beeno's astute analysis cutting through all the blurb. It was a non event. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Jun 2016, 21:43
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25 Jun 2016, 21:43#7
 Beeno, I suggest you check out Read's performance, once again setting the standard for the number 8 position. Where's "Thor" these days?
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Jun 2016, 21:48
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25 Jun 2016, 21:48#8
Bent read is wilting. Put the guy out to pastures.Lets see how Vermuelen recovers. I think he has played his best rugby. He came into the bok side years after I was calling for his inclusion. Kriel too has come in late in the day.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Jun 2016, 22:20
#9
25 Jun 2016, 22:20#9
Beeno, all evidence suggests Thor has seen better days.
Can he still lift his wee hammer
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
26 Jun 2016, 03:17
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26 Jun 2016, 03:17#10
 Good to see Dagg back at his best ,that big cannon-boot means clearing the 22 or counter attacking from deep is even more efficient.Beendork I see the Boks leading the way on "Things the All Blacks Have Yet to Achieve " like losing to Japan ,Scotland,Ireland,Argentina  etc .This is of course directed at you alone I have no desire to poke our Saffa friends in the eye but I make a special case for you .Cos your 'special'.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jun 2016, 06:12
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26 Jun 2016, 06:12#11
 

Chris Rattue: Aaron Smith is the best halfback ever; NZ Herald (Rattue is a Pom by the way)


My man of the series between the All Blacks and Wales was Beauden Barrett, without a doubt.

He grabbed his unexpected chance with every limb, to a degree you can now strongly argue he is the best test first five-eighths option. Aaron Cruden isn't putting attacking performances on the board to match what Barrett did against Wales. Barrett's fast feet are lethal and he surely deserves to be freed from his super-sub constraints. In that regard, the Welsh series may prove to be a crucial turning point in the building of the next World Cup team.

The Welsh wing Liam Williams was so impressive in all regards in a team which was completely overpowered that he might be my runner-up. It is difficult for any player to shine when their side is getting hammered, and wings are often at the mercy of what is going on around them. Williams was excellent, and turned his talents to defensive brilliance in Dunedin.

But the eye was drawn somewhere else watching a replay of the third test. Hand on heart, Aaron Smith might be the best halfback I've seen, from any country. Yes, it's a pointless exercise judging players from different ages, and sometimes even those from the same age. But Smith deserves recognition, as already belonging in the pantheon.

Gareth Edwards - the Welsh maestro - will never be dislodged from many hearts as the finest player to wear the number nine jersey.

There have been many great halfbacks, but Edwards was something else by every account. His timing and burst of energy to finish THAT try for the Barbarians against the All Blacks at Cardiff Arms Park in 1973 said it all. Watching replays still sends shivers down the spine. There is another iconic image of Edwards, from the triumphant Lions tour of New Zealand in 1971, when the timing and power of a fend on Bob Burgess seems to lift the first five-eighths off the ground.

Gareth Edwards - the Welsh maestro - will never be dislodged from many hearts as the finest player to wear the number nine jersey.

There have been many great halfbacks, but Edwards was something else by every account. His timing and burst of energy to finish THAT try for the Barbarians against the All Blac ks at Cardiff Arms Park in 1973 said it all. Watching replays still sends shivers down the spine. There is another iconic image of Edwards, from the triumphant Lions tour of New Zealand in 1971, when the timing and power of a fend on Bob Burgess seems to lift the first five-eighths off the ground.



JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jun 2016, 06:28
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26 Jun 2016, 06:28#12
 Barrett really made his case and it is good that we have at least 2 or even 3 10s that can do a great job running the AB backline.
A. Smith is incredible as he has the skills needed for the 9 jersey but also the confidence t play at his best. The ABs style of play is built around him. TKB has different strengths he seems stronger on defence a tougher little bugger but not at the level of A. Smith. I don't know why TKB has to go out of his way to niggle every player he goes near but I don't like that aspect of his game. He's always on the border of being penalized when he pulls back the opposing 9 gives him a little shove when he goes to put the ball in, etc. This will backfire one day.  
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jun 2016, 06:28
#13
26 Jun 2016, 06:28#13
 Barrett really made his case and it is good that we have at least 2 or even 3 10s that can do a great job running the AB backline.
A. Smith is incredible as he has the skills needed for the 9 jersey but also the confidence t play at his best. The ABs style of play is built around him. TKB has different strengths he seems stronger on defence a tougher little bugger but not at the level of A. Smith. I don't know why TKB has to go out of his way to niggle every player he goes near but I don't like that aspect of his game. He's always on the border of being penalized when he pulls back the opposing 9 gives him a little shove when he goes to put the ball in, etc. This will backfire one day.  
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
26 Jun 2016, 10:44
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26 Jun 2016, 10:44#14
 Beaudy Bok Beater Barrett and Mr Smith from accounts  alongside the other Mr Smith [ sounds like a suss hotel register ! ] 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Jun 2016, 11:55
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26 Jun 2016, 11:55#15
 JW I trust you will have the nous to agree that Pollard and far will be streets ahead of the dainty beaus and we aaron. Faf is twice the palyer Smith is and pollard is the deal.
Dainty wee beau's days are numbered. I fancy Eben will catch him one day! Then its all over.
We will also put in Kriel to nail him. He wont know what caught him. Kriel is the fastes loosie around. Also street smart.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Jun 2016, 11:56
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26 Jun 2016, 11:56#16
 Refresh my memory but didn't the Irsih scrum give the wee abs a torrid time? Hahahahahahha I trust you can draw your own conc lusions Kbbs!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jun 2016, 12:20
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26 Jun 2016, 12:20#17
 Beeno, glad you have regained a little confidence after the wee Boks got a couple of wins against a tired & depleted Irish team. It got you out of the cave below& some might say that's a good thing - I reserve my judgement
Congrats on the Boks being no. 3. Sure a couple of Cubs from the lion pride did ok in the Boks side but explain to me how this fits in with the bok way. Sounds like a weak copy of the kiwi way to me. Once again kiwis lead... But with humility & a complete lack of arrogance of course
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Jun 2016, 12:50
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26 Jun 2016, 12:50#18
 conclusions that can be drawn IMO from this last match and the entire series:

- As it has been pointed in many articles, Barret made a huge claim for the 10 spot. He proved he can perfectly run the team from the beggining. Cruden made nothing wrong and he's still there,..... so a "tough decision looms at nº 10",....... probably Barret has now a small advantage

- Outside backs. Dagg, Naholo and Savea palyed 2 games each while B. Smith was the only one to complete the series.
B. Smith and Dagg are IMO the only incumbents at this moment. Smith is the best FB in the world and very probably the best wing when he plays there. Dagg is the next in line (at least at FB though he also played very well at wing yesterday). And, if there were any doubts, both have shown that they can perfectly play together. In this sense, just remember, e.g., the first 2 tries against Argentina in the RC-2014, the first of Smith with Dagg's assist and the second from Dagg with Smith's assist. pure skills and rugby brain, something not in anyone's powers.




Savea is very far from his best form and in his second chance after being dropped showed very few positive things. Naholo was hot and cold, made many good things but also too many mistakes. He has to improve his defense and aerial skills.

If Nehe Milner-Skudder is fit for the RC (somebody knows if he's going to be ready for it?) I would play with him and Smith at wings and Dagg as FB. Yeah, I know there's some loss in strenght or Kg. but the ability and skills of this trio would be second to none at world level.
If he's not fit I would play with Naholo.

- Aaron Smith is currently the best 9 in the world by far,..... and probably, as it has been said in an article above, one of the bests ever
So funny that saffas are singing the praise of Faf after having a quite bad game,..... his kicking could have cost the boks the game and his pass is not accurate,...... and the last tackle that according to the saffas saved the game was a blatant penalty that should have been a yellow

- Centers. Feikitoa is out of form (true that in the second game he had a huge hit at the beggining of the match and he had very few time) but with Moala at 13 the center pair was a lot more dynamic.
Crotty had a decent game and was again solid,.... nothing special but solid.
With SBW back for the RC (rugby olympics end on August the 11th, 9 days before the RC begin) he will surely own the 12,...... so the 13 should be IMO something btwin Ngatai, Moala and Crotty.

- Lossies. Yesterday's game was indicative of what's San Cane's current form.
He was horrendous, 4 penalties in a row and the consequent yellow say it all (his assist and turnover of the last minutes cannot counterbalance it) . And this happened in a game entirely controlled by the AB,.... what could have happened otherwise?
the excuses about the "hard yards" or the "hard work", about being complementary to Read and Kaino, etc. are not valid anymore (if sometime were which I doubt very much).
Savea should begin the RC at openside.

Liam Squire is the man. Dixon had a decent first test but Squire made the difference. He should be Read and kaino's back-up (mainly if the coaching staff reject Taufua and want a big man)


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jun 2016, 13:26
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26 Jun 2016, 13:26#19
 ABF, yes the ABs got some clarity on some players. Savea must have personal problem as physically he is in very good shape I hear.
Some articles are saying the ABs are stronger than at the RWC as they got the best out of the older players & their time was up, the aching & loss of physical ability was no longer compensated by their experience. Read is playing very well & so far so good with his captaincy.
Other talent coming through looks good, Moody & props look big & athletic plus they have the ball handling skills. Loose forwards , as you say we have plenty to choose from. Cane will have to show more to keep his spot. I agree Squire looked good as did Dixon So if they want the hard nosed loose forward there are options other than Cane plus there is Ardie to change things up ( of the bench or starting depending on the opposition).
I read somewhere that Milner-shudder is still a couple of months away from returning. 
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Jun 2016, 15:00
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26 Jun 2016, 15:00#20
 JW,

as you seem to like checking the stats, I found this site:

http://haka.co.nz/

you may knew about it,..... I didn't untill last week and there are some different stats and some of them very interesting
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jun 2016, 16:28
#21
26 Jun 2016, 16:28#21
 I will check it out ABF. You would think there would be one official source. I understood that herald nz used the official stats but just used more user friendly software. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jun 2016, 18:18
#22
26 Jun 2016, 18:18#22
 ABF, it looks like Haka compile their owns stats so whether they are better than NZ Herald stats could be debated. I like the way Haka presents the stats though, i.e. players that arrived at the ruck first, etc. as this gives us some addtional insight.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Jun 2016, 18:59
#23
26 Jun 2016, 18:59#23
yeah, this site, haka, shows some statistic categories that are not included in other sites and can complement the other sites' stats

for example, the turnovers conceded and how they were conceded (knock-on, poor pass, forward pass, in a tackle or in a ruck), or "The first 3 players to breakdown" category,...... found it interesting
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jun 2016, 19:11
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26 Jun 2016, 19:11#24
 Yes, I have read in articles where they cite stats like who was at the ruck first, etc. but never had access to them so this will give us another perspective. 
I will have to remind Beeno that the scoreboard still counts though
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jun 2016, 06:40
#25
27 Jun 2016, 06:40#25
 

All Blacks player ratings: Dagg back to his best, Chris Rattue, NZ Herald


Chris Rattue runs the rule over the standout players in the All Blacks' 46-6 win over Wales in Dunedin last night.

New Zealand

Israel Dagg 9
Errors crept in but a tremendous test full of running. Huge part in Moala try.

Ben Smith 8
Great try finish in the corner, sparkling runs. Ended up in the centres.

George Moala 7
Strong running led the breaking of Wales but didn't link well, one poor kick and stuffed up a try.

Ryan Crotty 7
Often in harmony, never the soloist. Busy test and hauled down Roberts to prevent try.

Julian Savea 6
Started by spilling a long Welsh kick and couldn't find the party. Didn't justify recall.

Beauden Barrett 9
Poor Wales were no match for Barrett's whirling legs. Two terrific tries, and also goal kicked well. Even a charge down. Shifted to fullback.

Aaron Smith 9
The commanding live wire. Big passes created tries. Pinpoint bombs. Candidate as NZ's greatest halfback, ever.

Kieran Read 8
Led the defence including series of outstanding lunging tackles. Not so much with the ball.

Sam Cane 7
Marked down here for rash of penalties/yellow card, but strong game all over the park.

Elliot Dixon 5
Quiet debut. Largely anonymous and lost the ball on one of his few runs.

Brodie Retallick 8
Couldn't keep him out of the game. One dropped ball. Patchell certainly felt a tackle.

Sam Whitelock 7
Kick off receptions but not huge involvement or stellar moment.

Charlie Faumuina 7
Owen Franks lives. No ball running, which is his trademark. Scrummed and tackled well instead.

Dane Coles 8
Got to love his free range style. Loads of tackles, fine grab and gap run for try, one wonky throw.

Joe Moody 7
Produced one of the great scrum sights ever, popping Francis onto the Welsh pack.


RESERVES

Codie Taylor (Coles, 71m) 5
Token appearance as match deteriorated at the end.

Wyatt Crockett (Moody, 52m) 6
Lacked usual impact. One amazing turnover. Scrum maintained clear edge.

Ofa Tu'ungafasi (Faumuina, 52m) 5
Anonymous around the field. Scrum worked pretty well.

Luke Romano (Retallick, 65m) 5
A couple of familiar barges, little else.

Liam Squire (Dixon, 54m) 8
Storming test intro. Three big runs, big part in Coles try and hunted in defence.

Tawera Kerr-Barlow (A. Smith, 71m) 5
The trouble is, nothing compares to Aaron Smith.

Lima Sopoaga (Crotty, 54m) 6
Sharp hands except when he had a try chance unfortunately.

Waisake Naholo (Moala, 48m) 5
A centre? One fine turnover, some runs, but the mistakes keep coming.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jun 2016, 06:44
#26
27 Jun 2016, 06:44#26
The surprise is the rating for Sam Cane, he got a 7 even taking into account the penalties & yellow card. So the stats on Haka, i.e. the number of times he arrived at the ruck first, etc. combined with the number of tackles but paint a more complete picture of his game. Maybe he is having the positive impact some say he has had. We will see how he goes in the next few tests. What is clear is we have real competition for the loose forwards although Read is safe at 8 we need good backups.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
27 Jun 2016, 06:53
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27 Jun 2016, 06:53#27
 Gonna call Dane Coles the happy chook ,cos hes free ranging hahaha!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jun 2016, 07:02
#28
27 Jun 2016, 07:02#28
 Here is another player ratings article, again Cane gets a 7.
Rugby Heaven article
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jun 2016, 07:36
#29
27 Jun 2016, 07:36#29
Player ratings from the ROAR by Adam Julian

The All Blacks have started the post McCaw era with a 3-0 series sweep of Wales. The first two Tests play ed out in a similar fashion with Wales challenging strongly in the first hour before fading. The third Test was a runaway victory for the hosts who have won 11 Tests in a row.

Despite the All Blacks appearing to be resounding favourites for the Rugby Championship there remains some unanswered questions. The selectors tried four centers in three Tests. Who is the best starting first-five and are all the established regulars necessarily doing enough to retain their places?

Out of ten how did the All Blacks fare?

Forwards
Joe Moody – 7: The All Black scrum was dominant for periods which has been unusual in recent times. Moody was a big part of this attacking platform. He has enhanced his reputation in this series.

Dane Coles – 7: A world-class player who didn’t disappoint. Accurate lineouts and trademark bursts of energy with ball in hand. Could have been subbed in the third Test to give Codie Taylor a decent run, because there is no obvious competition for Coles right now.

Owen Franks – 7: Dished out some punishment on defence and was steady in the scrums. A good series for the veteran.

Brodie Retallick – 7: A defensive workhorse and his subtle handling and rigorous charges are a big part of the All Blacks attack.

Sam Whitelock – 6: Returned from injury in Wellington and had an industrious series. Wasn’t as forceful as usual, but that will come.

Jerome Kaino – 7: His physical presence adds much string to the All Blacks defence. Not as dominant as he used to be with ball in hand, but effective enough.

Sam Cane – 4: The heir apparent to McCaw? Not on this series. Works hard, but conceded four penalties and a yellow card in Dunedin. The All Blacks lost nothing when he was off the field. Cane lacks McCaw’s shrewdness and Savea’s dynamism. Cane is a good openside, but is he really a world class openside on his showings in this series?

Kieran Read – 7: Dynamic start in Wellington. Was consistent without setting the world on fire in each Test.

Luke Romano – 6: Workman like 40 minutes in Auckland.

Wyatt Crockett – 6: Great skill to create a try in Auckland. Did his job, but no more.

Charlie Faumuina – 7: Strong and skillful with ball in hand and more than held his own in the scrums, a good series.

Patrick Tuipulotu – 7: A hulk of a man who bustled gamely in Auckland and added punch in Wellington.

Ardie Savea – 7: Provided genuine impact in both games. His try in Wellington was sensational. Coach Steve Hansen called him “special.” He must surely be pushing hard for a start.

Elliot Dixon – 6: A solid, but unspectacular Dunedin debut.

Liam Squire – 6: Strong carries against a tiring Welsh defence, an encouraging start.

Backs
Israel Dagg – 9: Recalled for the second Test and repaid the selectors faith with two brilliant performances.

Ben Smith – 8: Made a shaky start in Auckland dropping three high kicks, but shrugged those blemishes aside quickly and had a typically effective series. Produces at least one spectacular moment per match.

Malakai Fekitoa – 4: Exposed defensively in Auckland and failed to deliver on his attacking promise. A possible career setback.

Ryan Crotty – 6: Not a flashy player, but efficient enough. A steady presence in an uncertain midfield. A good guy to have in a phase of transition, but don’t expect him to be remembered as one of the greats.

Waisake Naholo – 5: Scored three tries and produced some breathtaking moments on attack, but that was mixed with some woeful handing and poor decision making. Strangely shifted to centre late in Dunedin.

Aaron Cruden – 6: After 19 months out of international rugby he grew in stature during the Auckland Test. Left the field injured in Wellington and faces a serious challenge from Beauden Barrett to retain his starting place.

Aaron Smith – 9: Auckland was very good, but his last two games were imperious. The best halfback in World rugby by a mile.

Beauden Barrett – 9: Had his best Test for the All Blacks in Dunedin and produced some mesmerizing moments on attack in all three games. Has perfected the art of the impact player, but would be a starter for any other team in World Rugby and on form should be for the All Blacks too. He even kicked his goals.

Seta Tamanivalu – 4: Showed fleeting glimpses of his attacking flair, but mostly underwhelmed. Fended off with disdain by Jonathan Davies late in Wellington.

Julian Savea – 3: Has gone from the world’s best winger to a fumbling plodder in less than a year. His decline in form has been almost inexplicable. He is surely living on borrowed time unless there is a dramatic improvement in form.

George Moala – 6: Easily the most exciting of the four centres the All Blacks tried.

Not Rated: Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Lima Sopoaga, Ofa Tu’ungafasi, Codie Taylor, Nathan Harris, TJ Perenara.



JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jun 2016, 07:42
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27 Jun 2016, 07:42#30
Cane rated 4 for the series, the big winners are Dagg, Moala, Barrett, Joe Moody. I thought Read had an excellent series I would give him an 8. The prop situation looks better with the potential of that new prop from the Blues. I am also glad we have Tuipulotu as in combination with some of the bigger props we have we have extra beef and muscle for when we take on the bigger packs in the world.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
27 Jun 2016, 09:26
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27 Jun 2016, 09:26#31
 ...JW,  true Chiefs fans know exactly how good Sam Cane is... don't be deluded by all the undermining, negative and condescending reports written by nobodies attempting to discredit his performance - even McCaw got the occasional yellow card-so what.. that's what happens when yr living on the edge...keep the faith mate and Go the Mighty Chiefs..
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jun 2016, 09:39
#32
27 Jun 2016, 09:39#32
Brycy; strange that Cane's ratings go from 3 - 7 according to which "experts" your read. The coaches are the ones that know what is really going on so we will see who they select going forward. Cane doesn't have McCaw's ability to charm the refs so he needs to work on this
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jun 2016, 22:02
#33
27 Jun 2016, 22:02#33
 

All AB ratings: Our player of the series; NZ Herald


THE TOP FIVE

Kieran Read: 8.33 (8, 9, 8)
Best performance - 2nd test: It's the scope of his game rather than any one thing that is so impressive. From lineout steal, to setting up clever scrum try. Plenty of ball running and defence.

Beauden Barrett: 8.33 (7*, 9*, 9)
Best performance - 3rd test: Poor Wales were no match for Barrett's whirling legs. Two terrific tries, and also goal kicked well. Even a charge down. Shifted to fullback.

Aaron Smith: 8 (7, 8, 9)
Best performance - 3rd test: The commanding live wire. Big passes created tries. Pinpoint bombs. Candidate as NZ's greatest halfback, ever.

Dane Coles 8 (8, 8, 8)
Best performance - All three tests: (From first test) Brilliant lineout throwing vital. Lots of tackles. No trademark magic moment.

Israel Dagg: 8 (7,9)
Best performance - All third test: Errors crept in but a tremendous test full of running. Huge part in Moala try.

Best of the rest

Liam Squire: 8 (8*)
Brodie Retallick: 7.67 (8 ,7, 8)
Ben Smith: 7.33 (7,7,8)
Jerome Kaino: 7.5 (7,8)
Sam Whitelock: 7 (7,7)
Ardie Savea: 7 (7*,7*)
Patrick Tuipulotu: 7 (7*,7*)
George Moala: 7 (7)
Charlie Faumuina: 6.67 (6*, 7*, 7)
Wyatt Crockett: 6.67 (7*, 7*, 6*)
Aaron Cruden: 6.5 (7, 6)
Joe Moody 6.33 (6, 6, 7)
Luke Romano: 6.33 (7, 7, 5*)
Sam Cane: 6 (5,6,7)
Owen Franks: 6 (6, 6)
TJ Perenara: 6 (5*, 7*)
Seta Tamanivalu: 6 (6*, 6*)
Lima Sopoaga: 6 (6*)
Ryan Crotty: 5.67 (5, 5, 7)
Waisake Naholo: 5.67 (6, 6, 5*)
Malakai Fekitoa: 5.5 (6,5)
Julian Savea: 5 (4, 6)
Elliot Dixon: 5 (5)
Nathan Harris: 5 (5*)
Codie Taylor: 5 (5*)
Ofa Tu'ungafasi: 5 (5*)
Tawera Kerr-Barlow: 5 (5*)

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jun 2016, 22:17
#34
27 Jun 2016, 22:17#34
IMO No surprise to see how is rated as the best. Good to see some young talent showing up in the rest.
Liam Squire getting an 8 and topping the list of the rest seems exaggerated for contributing in one game but it is a good sign of depth as Kaino is still going strong.
Retallick at the top where you would expect him. Near the top are Ardie, Moala, Tuipulotu (young talent).
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