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‘Ageing All Blacks Geriatrics vulnerable to youthful Wallabies’

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sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
13 Aug 2013, 01:44
#1
13 Aug 2013, 01:44#1

 ex supersport

 

‘Ageing All Blacks Geriatrics vulnerable to youthful Wallabies’ 12 August 2013, 14:24
 

Few would bet against world champions New Zealand successfully defending their Rugby Championship title, but former Australia captain Andrew Slack has questioned the hunger of the All Blacks' ageing stalwarts.

Slack, who led Australia in 19 tests, including a breakthrough away series win over New Zealand in 1986, said Steve Hansen's team was not the formidable outfit that swept to World Cup glory in 2011, and could be tested in a battle of fitness by the more youthful Wallabies.

"Depending on which 15 or 23 they will pick, there are a lot great players there in terms of the Carters, the McCaws and the Smiths, but they're also 31, 32 years-old now," Slack told Reuters in an interview on Monday.

"The Australians will look at that and push it to them in the closing minutes, and see whether they're hungry enough.

"As much as they'd hate to admit it, age does become an issue and it will be a factor."

Australia and New Zealand clash in Sydney on Saturday, the opening match of the southern hemisphere Rugby Championship, which also includes South Africa and Argentina.

New Zealand's 28-man squad for the tournament is led by 32-year-old skipper Richie McCaw, one of eight players over 30.

Flanker McCaw, whose captaincy has coincided with an extended period of dominance over Australia, recently returned from a six-month sabbatical and queries over his fitness remain after he appeared underdone in a practice match on Friday.

Hansen has backed McCaw to be fit for Sydney and is likely to put his faith in other 30-something veterans, including flyhalf Dan Carter, centre Conrad Smith and hooker Andrew Hore.

In hooker Stephen Moore, new Wallabies coach Ewen McKenzie has only a single player above 30 in his squad, with most in their early-to-mid 20's.

Already conceding a wealth of experience, Australia head into the tournament opener on the back of a demoralising series-deciding loss to the British and Irish Lions, which pre-empted former coach Robbie Deans's sacking.

FRESHNESS

New Zealand, however, belted France 3-0 in their June internationals and have signalled their intent to gradually regenerate by omitting experienced scrumhalf Piri Weepu and loose forward Victor Vito.

McKenzie's new broom has nonetheless given the Wallabies renewed hope of ending New Zealand's dominance and winning back the Bledisloe Cup, the annual symbol of trans-Tasman supremacy, for the first time in a decade.

The All Blacks have played down the 'McKenzie factor', but the Wallabies would be primed to make the most of a clean slate after having lost 14 out of 18 against the All Blacks under New Zealander Deans, Slack said.

"I think the change of coach and regime will help in the psychological side of things. There will be a freshness mentally ... It won't be a matter of 'here we go again'," he added.

"They didn't win against the Lions but a few guys made a bit of a name for themselves, like (inside centre) Christian Leali'ifano, and they'll go into the series confident."

One of the players looking for a clean break from the past will be flyhalf Quade Cooper, who has struggled against the country of his birth, but is expected to reassume the Wallabies' flyhalf position under McKenzie, his former coach at the Queensland Reds, after a near year-long exile.

Cooper blamed Deans for his struggles to emulate his brilliant provincial form at test level in an extraordinary attack last year, and Slack agreed that the 25-year-old was stifled by the New Zealander's conservative gameplan.

"I think he's in a position now that there's no more excuses on that front," Slack said of the mercurial playmaker.

"He's been round long enough and I think under McKenzie, knowing each other so well now, we'll see the best of him.

"Like any footballer, if he doesn't perform, there's only one way to go.

"If he's picked for every one of the All Blacks tests and he doesn't play well and we don't win, then he nor anyone else would expect he would keep getting picked."

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
13 Aug 2013, 04:50
#2
13 Aug 2013, 04:50#2

@sharkbok,

LMAO, :oD

i dont need to see the original article to know u added the "geriatric" in the title, but i cant help but wonder why u would go out of ur way to alter the article as if that was the original title??? o_O

a case of the worries maybe or a poor attempt at ribbing???

dont want to sound like those kids who say my dad could beat up ur dad, but my geriatrics could run circles around ur Bok geriatrics and then play 80mins of rugby against the wallabies before swimming back to NZ, lolz, :o)

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
13 Aug 2013, 04:53
#3
13 Aug 2013, 04:53#3

 ah! first catch of the day! 

Sasuke- Somehow I suspected you would be the first to take the bait!

 

Although I did not edit the article... It was just a copy and paste.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
13 Aug 2013, 05:00
#4
13 Aug 2013, 05:00#4
Richie McCaw © Gallo Images   ‘Ageing All Blacks vulnerable to youthful Wallabies’ 12 August 2013, 14:24
   

Few would bet against world champions New Zealand successfully defending their Rugby Championship title, but former Australia captain Andrew Slack has questioned the hunger of the All Blacks' ageing stalwarts.

Slack, who led Australia in 19 tests, including a breakthrough away series win over New Zealand in 1986, said Steve Hansen's team was not the formidable outfit that swept to World Cup glory in 2011, and could be tested in a battle of fitness by the more youthful Wallabies.

"Depending on which 15 or 23 they will pick, there are a lot great players there in terms of the Carters, the McCaws and the Smiths, but they're also 31, 32 years-old now," Slack told Reuters in an interview on Monday.

"The Australians will look at that and push it to them in the closing minutes, and see whether they're hungry enough.

"As much as they'd hate to admit it, age does become an issue and it will be a factor."

Australia and New Zealand clash in Sydney on Saturday, the opening match of the southern hemisphere Rugby Championship, which also includes South Africa and Argentina.

New Zealand's 28-man squad for the tournament is led by 32-year-old skipper Richie McCaw, one of eight players over 30.

Flanker McCaw, whose captaincy has coincided with an extended period of dominance over Australia, recently returned from a six-month sabbatical and queries over his fitness remain after he appeared underdone in a practice match on Friday.

Hansen has backed McCaw to be fit for Sydney and is likely to put his faith in other 30-something veterans, including flyhalf Dan Carter, centre Conrad Smith and hooker Andrew Hore.

In hooker Stephen Moore, new Wallabies coach Ewen McKenzie has only a single player above 30 in his squad, with most in their early-to-mid 20's.

Already conceding a wealth of experience, Australia head into the tournament opener on the back of a demoralising series-deciding loss to the British and Irish Lions, which pre-empted former coach Robbie Deans's sacking.

FRESHNESS

New Zealand, however, belted France 3-0 in their June internationals and have signalled their intent to gradually regenerate by omitting experienced scrumhalf Piri Weepu and loose forward Victor Vito.

McKenzie's new broom has nonetheless given the Wallabies renewed hope of ending New Zealand's dominance and winning back the Bledisloe Cup, the annual symbol of trans-Tasman supremacy, for the first time in a decade.

The All Blacks have played down the 'McKenzie factor', but the Wallabies would be primed to make the most of a clean slate after having lost 14 out of 18 against the All Blacks under New Zealander Deans, Slack said.

"I think the change of coach and regime will help in the psychological side of things. There will be a freshness mentally ... It won't be a matter of 'here we go again'," he added.

"They didn't win against the Lions but a few guys made a bit of a name for themselves, like (inside centre) Christian Leali'ifano, and they'll go into the series confident."

One of the players looking for a clean break from the past will be flyhalf Quade Cooper, who has struggled against the country of his birth, but is expected to reassume the Wallabies' flyhalf position under McKenzie, his former coach at the Queensland Reds, after a near year-long exile.

Cooper blamed Deans for his struggles to emulate his brilliant provincial form at test level in an extraordinary attack last year, and Slack agreed that the 25-year-old was stifled by the New Zealander's conservative gameplan.

"I think he's in a position now that there's no more excuses on that front," Slack said of the mercurial playmaker.

"He's been round long enough and I think under McKenzie, knowing each other so well now, we'll see the best of him.

"Like any footballer, if he doesn't perform, there's only one way to go.

"If he's picked for every one of the All Blacks tests and he doesn't play well and we don't win, then he nor anyone else would expect he would keep getting picked."

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
13 Aug 2013, 05:03
#5
13 Aug 2013, 05:03#5

@sharkbok,

did u really think i couldnt access supersport???

quite clearly u edited ur article, o_O

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Aug 2013, 08:03
#6
13 Aug 2013, 08:03#6
Somebody should bring this article to the attention of Mozart and Meyer - especially the last paragraph - since the two dumbbells do not understand the issue at all. I do not like a team with the majority of players over the age of 30 - especially not the AB's since they do have a replacement pool of talented players available. If this trend continue into 2015 - then the AB's should take a good hard look at themselves and get a winning team together - the over 30 year olds will inevitably let them down.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
13 Aug 2013, 08:26
#7
13 Aug 2013, 08:26#7

@mikey,

the majority of players arent over 30, there are only 8 players who are 30 and over in the All Blacks.

woody - 32
crockett -30
mealamu - 34
hore - 34
McCaw - 32
carter - 31
smith - 31
nonu - 31

and of them there are two pairs of players competing in the same position, woody and crockett at loosehead and mealamu and hore at rake.
both positions i would say are areas of concern of interest, but hansen has ensured that with the talent available, we are on the right path to continue the All Black machine moving should those senior players succumb to anything which renders them unavailable.

woody & crockett - ben franks, joe moody
hore and kev - coles (& hopefully by EOYT ged robinson and hika)
McCaw - sam cane, matt todd
carter - cruden, barret, taylor, slade (& this time next year hopefully benji)
nonu - SBW, ryan crotty, francis sailli
conrad smith - ben smith, francisis saili

ithe immediate replacemnts are already well immersed in the current All Blacks set u, and their 2nd and 3rd pick replacments are all looking the goods too, though their AB involvment is non existent or next to it.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
13 Aug 2013, 08:51
#8
13 Aug 2013, 08:51#8

In short the Kiwi's are struggling to find a replacement for McCaw.

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Aug 2013, 08:54
#9
13 Aug 2013, 08:54#9
They really are aging aren't they..... young wobs should give them a serious shakeup especially when you see what they've got planned during the haka....haha cannot wait to see this..... New coach, many new players, good competitive culture... think wobs are going to bring it this weekend.
SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
13 Aug 2013, 09:00
#10
13 Aug 2013, 09:00#10

You can't even beat a aging Lions side. As usual your hopes will be crushed like your fancy cricket team in England

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Aug 2013, 09:11
#11
13 Aug 2013, 09:11#11
different coach way different team dynamic... this is the new wobs..... less wobbly and more wallaby. re cricket - I don't rate Clarke as a captain he's way too much of a politician.... good batter but no leader... I would have also brought warney, gilchrist, mcgrath out of retirement................................... on that note though the kiwis will be saying that in a year or two re ABs.... if only carter and mccheat were here to save us.......
SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
13 Aug 2013, 09:30
#12
13 Aug 2013, 09:30#12

Clarke can only do so much. Australia have no stable no 3 big reason why they struggling.

 

For rugby sp changed the coach who is going to bring Cooper back who is going to be shit against NZ yet again. 

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Aug 2013, 09:47
#13
13 Aug 2013, 09:47#13
Rugby - wouldn't be so sure re Cooper - Toomua on the cards too.... Ewen will keep the kiwis guessing. Even with QC though under Ewen way different to Deans (Deans was micro-manager with too much pre-determined game play and structure). I think if QC is @ 10 he will get a chance to prove himself at this level without Deans' negative style of play effecting him and if he does fail again - bring on Toomua - his defence and kicking is superior to QC who maybe saved for a 20min bench appearance..... Cricket - haven't had a decent 3 since Punter.... Katich could have stood up but was exited from team (highest avg for recent Aussie test batsman in England) reason for that was a blow up with Clarke over him ditching team mates to spend time with ex-fiancée... Lara....
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Aug 2013, 10:55
#14
13 Aug 2013, 10:55#14

 

Sharkbok ... we've all seen the ageing All Blacks' retirement day coming closer and closer.

 

We've mentioned it on this MB several times over ... and as expected the kiwis preferred burying the heads in the sand.

 

Their geriatrics have had their time in the sun  ... now it's their time to be put out to pasture. .

 

It seems they're struggling to replace these boys.

 

They like to speak themselves up, claiming supriority over all yet me thinks they're living in denial. It's gonna come back and bite them on the ass.

 

McCaw was awesome ... he is however an old codger now who nneds sabbaticals to prolong his rugby lifespan. It hilarious how he is worshipped down under.

 

Carter is injured every other week. They're now pretending that Cruden is his better. What a laugh.

 

They have a problem finding a replacement for Mealamu, Both centers are on their way out. An ancient loosehead in Woody.

 

The wheel has turned. We'll soon see the kiwis brought down to earth and then the majority of them will vanish from this MB.

 

 

WG
What's going on?Club Pro237 posts
13 Aug 2013, 12:40
#15
13 Aug 2013, 12:40#15

@ Cleancunt, Dumbarse son of a yarpy Red and all the other negative bitches.

We've been hearing about geriatric Abs from the likes of you muppets for years and yet even our geriatrics keep beating anything you can throw at us and will continue to do so with ease.

 

Re Cruden: Plenty of Kiwis will tell you Cruden is in fact better.

No one can explain why the Chiefs keep taking out Super XV titles and you all seem to be blind or dumb to the impact Cruden has had on these Super rugby victories.

The highest point scorer last year but you all attributed that to SBW running off him.

Repeated a winning performance again this year even remarkably playing with a groin injury and no SBW running off him so how did he do it? Get back to us on that one will you.

He also outplayed Carter in all their matchups except the one in Christchurch . But regardless Cruden had the upperhand in succesive Super XV semi finals which is a better indicator of who handles pressure the best.

Crudens test stats would be perfect if not for that England test match where he came off the bench for a failing Carter and it was too late to save the day by then . If only he had started the ABs may have had a perfect season and attained that record.

So he's more than ready to take on the world and now it's his chance to shine. 

If i was a Bok supporter i'd be very worried at the prospect of Cruden running the show.  

 

And we have a problem replacing players?? Whatever.

Keep deluding yourselves if you like but we don't have a problem replacing anyone. We don't make wholesale changes while we're winning. That's ludicrous. Only dumbarses would do that.

Is that what you would do ?"'Dah ,our teams winning so lets rip up all their contracts'

Makes us wonder if you know anything rugby or about NZ rugby in particular if you think there is no sucession plan.

The fact that you can't see that plan unfolding is testament to how brilliantly seamless it is.

 

And as far as Kiwis vanishing off this MB . You wish.

The numbers of Kiwis are increasing all the time from what i've seen which is just as well coz you're obvious in need of an education...

And who better than the Kiwis to keep the dumbarse yarpies honest..

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Aug 2013, 14:09
#16
13 Aug 2013, 14:09#16

 

My, my … becoming a little emotional I see!!!!!

 

Take a deep breath now and try to reduce that heart rate of yours a tad ... before you have a coronary … ok??

 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa … truth hurts, huh??

 

I rest my case … ignorant wankers like you refuse to look the problem in the eye.

 

Hiding your head in the sand won’t change the fact that your ageing team is in need of a makeover. Starting at 1 right through to your mojoless fullback.

 

Posting these lengthy boring novels won’t convince us either.

 

Accept the fact that the only thing you have going for you is a good experienced coach.

 

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Wallabies take you out this weekend.

 

Here’s holding thumbs!!!

 

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
13 Aug 2013, 17:50
#17
13 Aug 2013, 17:50#17

Red Clarke can do whatever he wants he is performing. The other guys should shut the fuck up if I were them. They got no reason to be chirpy about.

 

Steinlager. Messam is now way close to McCaw and NZ are struggliing to fiund another cheater of his callibre.  

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
14 Aug 2013, 07:49
#18
14 Aug 2013, 07:49#18
Spooney - agree that Clarke is undisputedly a world-class bat - but I'm not sure his captaincy skills have been up to scratch. Under new coach Lehmann they seem to be coming good... and 3rd test was aussies for the taking except for English weather and poor decision by Clarke to bat too long on day 4.... But cricket is re-emerging from doldrums in this country and wont be long before it became uninteresting as it was during the golden era of 2000s... To be truthful I find the cricket more interesting when the Aussies ARENT winning everything....... but would definitely like to beat poms in return clash in Australia this summer....
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