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All Blacks and Springboks in talks to revive ‘traditional tours’

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
30 Sept 2023, 08:35
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30 Sept 2023, 08:35#1

N ew Zealand and South Africa are in talks to revive old-school All Blacks-Springboks tours during the Rugby Championship.

The move comes after South African franchises left the Super Rugby competition to head north with the creation of the United Rugby Championship.

Traditional All Blacks and Springboks tours

The All Blacks and Wallabies‘ performances on the international stage have dipped since South Africa’s departure, with All Blacks assistant coach Jason Ryan conceding that the loss of the South African sides has impacted the All Blacks’ forward play.

To offset this, SA Rugby and NZ Rugby have been in talks over a return to more of a traditional touring schedule during the Rugby Championship, which could see the Springboks face Super Rugby sides and the All Blacks take on South African URC sides.

“We are working with New Zealand on something exciting that we will announce in the next few months,” SA Rugby president Mark Alexander told the Rapport in early September.

“If the global season becomes a reality, it will help because we will then see all the national teams playing at the same time.”

Since then, NZ Rugby chief executive Mark Robinson has commented on the report and confirmed to Stuff.co.nz that the two nations are in talks.

“That’s certainly part of the conversation at the moment, [for it] to be a more, you know, more traditional type of tour, but again, there’s a lot of work to be done there,” Robinson told Stuff.

“We’ve been open with all the SANZAAR parties that that’s something that we’re having a look at, and how we can consider that sort of format for the future.

“So, it’s early days, but obviously, with the reduction in time we have in playing against South Africa in Super [Rugby], I think there would be real interest in it.

“Clearly, there is interest in it from both unions, but it’s very early days around those conversations.”

 

The one stumbling block would be the Rugby Championship moving to the same international window as the Six Nations.

SA Rugby have been in favour of the move, with the Bulls, Lions, Sharks and Stormers competing in the URC and EPCR competitions.

Jaguares set for Super Rugby return

Meanwhile, Argentina rugby president Gabriel Travelaglini has revealed that the Jaguares could return to Super Rugby.

The team competed in the tournament between 2016 and 2020, but like the South African franchises, the Jaguares withdrew from the competition during the COVID-19 pandemic.

In an interview with Argentine publication La Nacion, Travelaglini said that they have been invited back into the tournament from 2026, with the current broadcasting rights in New Zealand and Australia expiring in 2025.

“We have the invitation, but it would be from 2026 because they have already closed the current one,” Travelaglini said.

“It is planned to set up a franchise. We have the commitment that they will receive us and that we will play games at home and away.”

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Sept 2023, 08:58
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30 Sept 2023, 08:58#2
Nah, won't be able to fit them into our 7 Nations schedule ;)
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Sept 2023, 09:37
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30 Sept 2023, 09:37#3

We can see you needs who. 

One thing about those tours I didn't like was that our provinces used to withdraw all the Boks form their starting line up! Show the wee abs would play weakened teams. If that is going to happen forget about it.

Otherwise it would be great. 

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
30 Sept 2023, 11:04
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30 Sept 2023, 11:04#4

Money, money, money.

Liberals do not take decisions based on trade.

Were lost games that are easy to market. That is it.

Instead, liberals claim that leaving hurt NZ when theirs problems existed before the exit.

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
30 Sept 2023, 13:18
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30 Sept 2023, 13:18#5

I love the idea of a proper tour but not sure how this will work. Maybe this should be done during the Lions tours. So Aus vs Lions in two years time will be a good opportunity to have a tour, but who will host it? 

I do like the fact that players that are based in Japan can play against Provincial teams to gain form and none of these Rubbish A teams that we are fielding. 

The closest we came at Fielding a decent SA A team was during the Lions series when we had a number of front line boks play for the A team. 

I also agree if it is a home series that our franchise teams field their boks and only a handful should be withdrawn. 

But with all the Rugby being played, at franchise level the guys are already playing 25 games a season. Lots of travel and hardly any down time. 

Rugby Union need to look at works for NFL teams. Not the format but how these teams are funded and operate. I think the franchises has something like 9 home games. Out of that they are able to draw enough fans to their stadiums. 

Not these water down comps and all these crazy formats that nobody knows what is going on.

If we can sort the club's out, make sure they have a fantastic model. Then we can look at the international games. Maybe 5 months for franchises and then 4 months for internationals. 

Rugby is a physical game with long term injuries. Money is tight and we can't play that many games compared to football. 

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becsPro4,378 posts
30 Sept 2023, 15:20
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30 Sept 2023, 15:20#6

You’re not joining us, Plum ! 

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