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All Blacks: Cruden's back, but he faces tough call; NZ Herald

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Oct 2014, 20:43
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12 Oct 2014, 20:43#1

Aaron Cruden has done his time - he will travel to Brisbane with the rest of the All Blacks this afternoon for Saturday's test against the Wallabies - but the discomfort of being on the outer for the last two tests could continue.

The All Black coaches have been happy with Beauden Barrett's performances in the tests against Argentina in Buenos Aires and South Africa in Johannesburg in Cruden's absence after the Chiefs first-five was dropped for his poor time-keeping.

Barrett has played with confidence and vision to go along with his trademark speed and explosiveness, and his goalkicking has also improved massively since his off-night against the Pumas in Napier last month.

Since then he has kicked 10 out of 11 shots at goal.

He and Colin Slade could be the coaches' preferred choices at first-five to take on an imploding Australia at Suncorp Stadium in the third Bledisloe Cup test.

The match is meaningless as far as the old trophy is concerned but still has plenty of significance for both teams.

The All Blacks will want to bounce back in style from their 27-25 defeat to the Boks at Ellis Park, only the second loss under Steve Hansen's reign, and there will be pressure on the Wallabies and coach Ewen McKenzie to respond from the Kurtley Beale drama which seems to get murkier every day.

All Black assistant coach Ian Foster hinted yesterday that Cruden had a fight on his hands to win back the No10 jersey this week and Slade's attitude and adaptability could get him the job of back-up.

"As far as we're concerned he [Cruden] has done his time so we move on, but the thing is in the All Black environment it's one thing to do your time but you also give someone else an opportunity," Foster said on Radio Sport.

"Beaudy has had a couple of starts and we think he's done a pretty good job of it so Aaron is going to have to come in and train well and train hard and just knuckle down and get back into the system.

"And I'm sure that Beaudy will be pretty keen on progressing on the two starts that he's had so it's going to be pretty good competition, and I'd also add the likes of Sladey has been very impressive in our environment," Foster said.

"I've been very impressed with how [Slade has] settled in and handled a lot of different jobs.

"He's got a skill-set that also complements Beaudy and Aaron in terms of off the bench."

Cruden is always going to struggle to find a place on the bench because the selectors see him purely as a starting No10, a specialist who sets the tone of a test.

He doesn't have the impact value of Barrett or Slade, both of whom can play at fullback, with the latter also capable of playing on the wing. At Ellis Park, Slade also did a reasonable job at halfback in the latter stages after Tawera Kerr-Barlow's knee injury.

Foster added that Cruden had learned his lesson for failing to make the meeting before the flight to Argentina three weeks ago, but now it was a matter of catching up.

"He hasn't played a game of rugby for three or four weeks so there's the physical side of it and the mental side.

" He has to come to terms with what we've actually done for the last couple of test matches since he's been away. He'll go back to a learning curve."

ABs talking points

1 Will Aaron Cruden's next test come on the November tour?

With Ian Foster hinting Cruden might miss out on Saturday's test against Australia in Brisbane, the first-five's next chance could come in Chicago, London, Scotland or Wales. Beauden Barrett has played well in his absence and deserves to keep the No10 jersey. A complicating factor is that Dan Carter is likely to be in the frame by then, which could push Cruden further out.

2 With Ben Smith rested, who joins left wing Julian Savea and fullback Israel Dagg in the back three?

Cory Jane would be considered the favourite, but the coaches might opt for Charles Piutau, who has recovered well from his knee injury and, according to Steve Hansen recently, is looking extremely fit in training. Is this a chance to give him a run?

3 Hooker

Three into two won't go, so who misses out?

After making his test debut against the Boks, Nathan Harris needs more game time. This could be a fantastic opportunity for the coaches to have another look at him. Keven Mealamu has also taken his chances brilliantly in Dane Coles' absence. The Blues player was outstanding in Buenos Aires.

4 The Suncorp factor

The Aussies are in disarray, but the last time the Wallabies beat the All Blacks was there in 2011, when the home side prevailed 25-20, withstanding a big fightback.

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Oct 2014, 20:51
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12 Oct 2014, 20:51#2
 A few selections up in the air & I am sure Hansen wants to to develop his depth some more. It will be interesting to see what he decides. 
Wobblies can never be taken lightly in Suncorp.  Glad we have some of our forwards coming back.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
12 Oct 2014, 22:04
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12 Oct 2014, 22:04#3
 Watching the NZ and SA game on second thoughts Barratt had a very good game. Just diddnt hv the time and space Barratt normally needs. He deserves to keep the #10 jersey. With Carter hopefully finding full fitness, if and when he does. If Barratt has a good one againgst Oz. Cruden may find it even harder to force his way back in imo. I still think Carter is the one to lead NZ to consecutive RWC's. But depends on his fitness, he hasent been fully fit for a few years now. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Oct 2014, 22:20
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12 Oct 2014, 22:20#4
 Ol' Brycy  won't be happy, lol But I always thought Barrett would eventually pass Cruden - not that he has yet.  Cruden is a gutsy guy & his strength of character is hard to beat.  We will see how it all pans out.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
12 Oct 2014, 22:27
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12 Oct 2014, 22:27#5
 Barratt has more potential then Cruden. He has more attacking elements then Cruden. Crudens worked on his craft, and has turned out to be a great flyhalf for the abs. But i always thought it was inevitable Barratt would overtake Cruden, Barratt just needed gametime. Its up to Barratt. That said i hv no problem with Cruden being the incumbant for now, hes more prooven. 
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
13 Oct 2014, 00:40
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13 Oct 2014, 00:40#6
I find it amusing that some particular writers are trying their desperate best to get rid of Cruden.

Let us review the evidence so far. Who were the 2 Number 10s in charge when the ABs were handed their 2 loses.

Against England - Daniel Carter

Against the Springboks - Barrett

Who was the Number 10 in the RWC Semi-Finals against the Wallabies (a Team that had previously never lost to the ABs in any RWC Match) - Cruden

Who was the Number 10 in the RWC Final before the French got rid of him? Cruden.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
13 Oct 2014, 00:53
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13 Oct 2014, 00:53#7
 Are you suggesting Cruden was soley responsible for all those wins? And therefore his presence was soley responsible for those losses? Come on Cruden dictated things well in those games. But he was not the sole reason. He had the luxary of a dominant ab set piece, and breakdown, unless he scored all the points and made all the tackles haha. Lets not forget just like Barratt, Cruden had a bad game in one of his first few tests and was dropped. But Cruden gained confidence and matured in his role. Just saying their are to many other factors and variables, and determining factors then just saying oh Look Crudens their so he must bw better lol. Just like with Cruden got a second shot, give Barratt time too. He has only played two tests starting for the Abs. Just like when Cruden was behind Carter. Based on that logic Crudens the best Fly Half NZ ever had, if were going to look at Stats for Flyhalves in winning or loosing teams. But that doesent neccessarily mean currently Cruden should be considered the clear incumbant, its still unclear, well see towards the RWC. 
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
13 Oct 2014, 03:27
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13 Oct 2014, 03:27#8
I fail to see the conflict 3ku1. Cruden is a good starter and Barrett is excellent off the Bench and Slade is our safe 3rd Option with Taylor also covering for FullBack.
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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
13 Oct 2014, 05:47
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13 Oct 2014, 05:47#9
 Yeah I agree with your analogy. I am just saying in time Barratt well be a great starter too Cruden was not very good at starting too, but with experience he was thats my point. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
13 Oct 2014, 06:44
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13 Oct 2014, 06:44#10
not sure if Barrett or Crudie would make  the better carpet for Pollard to run over.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
13 Oct 2014, 06:51
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13 Oct 2014, 06:51#11
 Haha good one SharkBok. But lets be fair Pollard had two good games. You SA love overstating your flyhalves. Pollard looks the goods, but lets just see once he has a super season under his belt. I think Barratt potentially can be worldclass. Barratt was awesome at super rugby. His problem is his all round game. Great Attacking game, tons of speed, improoved on defense, great goal kicker e.t.c. Its his mettle thats the issue. When he has no time nor space, he struggles. He needs to work on that if he does he well be a world beater. 
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