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All Blacks get rub of the green from refs again (hey Beeno, did you write this?)

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
30 Nov 2013, 03:24
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30 Nov 2013, 03:24#1

All Blacks get rub of the green from refs again
Saturday, November 30, 2013 - 6:50 AM
Source: SportsFan
Author: Matt Burke

Referee Nigel Owens erred when he allowed Aaron Cruden to take his kick against the Irish again, says Matt Burke

If you were watching the Ireland v New Zealand Test last weekend, you would have seen an incredible finish to what was almost an historic win for the home side.

The Irish were leading until the last moments of the game, when some wasted chances to seal victory cost them. The All Blacks did what they do best, holding onto the ball and recycling it phase after phase (something we have become used to from this team) until they scored the match-winning try.

But then it got a little bit ordinary, in my opinion,(ok sour pus former Wallaby tell us why ) because while the try was legitimate and executed well under pressure, the second chance given to kicker Aaron Cruden (who pushed his first attempt to the right) was farcical.(do you even know what that word means square jaw?)

Who was at fault? (oh please do tell us) Referee Nigel Owens.

The laws of the IRB state that defenders cannot start running down the kicker until he has initiated his run-up. Cruden does a little shimmy because he actually gets going, then pauses, before starting his run-up for real.

In my opinion, the shimmy is the start of his kick and the Irish defenders were well within their rights to start running. The laws also state that the kicker is not allowed to mislead the defending side with a 'dummy' move within his run-up. Cruden's pause could also be deemed illegal, in that case. (does that mean every time Quade Cooper does his constipated stance that the opposition can start charging?)

I couldn't believe it when Owens gave New Zealand a second bite at the cherry.(you can believe it princess) It was a bad decision.(only for you sour pus....and all the other tall poppy syndrome ABs haters ) Would it have happened to anyone but the All Blacks? I don't think so.(you better believe it - see Matt, we know the rules better than any other Team in the World and that is why Sir McCaw is the best ref assistant in the world) Owens got it terribly wrong; it was a poor call from a very experienced referee. It was also another example of New Zealand's charmed run with the officials, from who they seem to always get the rub of the green.(well Matt, we pay them enough.......for those who missed it, that was Matt's itch all along and he just scratched his square jaws with this article so full of former wallaby sour grapes LOL )

To the IRB and Nigel Owens, it's time to take a look at the laws. Kickers (including me back when I played)(WE KNOW-has been overrated MATT - you were so useless, boggles the mind why they keep picking you) have a routine as part of their run-up to kick the ball. That initial movement is 'go time' for the defenders. It's time for change.

Catch Matt Burke and the gang on the Clubhouse, live on SportsFan at 8pm, Mondays to Thursdays.(someone should teach you what a real shimmy is behind the club house )

Follow Matt on Twitter @burkey710 or SportsFan on Twitter @sportsfan_live.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Nov 2013, 08:41
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30 Nov 2013, 08:41#2

Hakwa


I do not how to do it - but why don't somebody try and put that particular sequence of events on the site - so that we can look at it again?   WE can then make up our minds what Cruden did in the process without having to rely on a newspaper article.  

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Nov 2013, 09:03
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30 Nov 2013, 09:03#3
 Hakwa as an opinion maker I cannot say Matt has not been influenced by me.What is telling is the comment "Would it have happened to anyone but the All Blacks? I don't think so."We all should know for some very unsavoury reason (S) many refs are biased in favour of the wee abs - even our own refs like Craig Joubert (handed the wc to nz on a platter)
What must be extemely worrisome to the abs and their head in sand fans is that increasing this bias is being commented upon more and more. It is an opionion that has gained enormous traction. Take away ref bias and the nz test record plummets.
I pride myself as a pioneer is this regard. Take a bow Beeno while ou rooitwit was behaving like a servile ab gimp Beeno took a principled stand and today is fully vindicated. 
Now I am supposed to believe this is a great side! Bwahahahahahahha sorry hack wahahaha let's leave that view to the gullible like ou rooitwit and the kiwi bird brains.
I await the turning of the tide where refs favouring the abs are booted out the game and the bryce lawrences/romans of the ref world can longer be found. They are a total disgrace as are their backers.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
30 Nov 2013, 12:36
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30 Nov 2013, 12:36#4
It's  the law ! (As Judge Dredd would say ) and Burke  by name and Burke  by natures opinion counts for feck all ,even me Irish mates have no beef with it just the sad arsed " ref done did it wrong " half wits  .....mike your an engineer can you build a bridge for beaner and his new bud Burke. so they can ... Welll you know the rest !  
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Nov 2013, 13:44
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30 Nov 2013, 13:44#5
Ha ha Hakwa  , you really know how to bait a hook, you must be a good fisherman  
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Nov 2013, 13:52
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30 Nov 2013, 13:52#6
 Burke should also get hold of the law book. And he should pay attention. Did Owens not warn the Irish not to charge early, during the game?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Nov 2013, 13:59
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30 Nov 2013, 13:59#7
Yup, you are right. We knew this law as School boys, hard to understand why Burke chooses not to. I guess it's a case if only see what you want to see & only remember the laws you want to remember,
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Nov 2013, 14:04
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30 Nov 2013, 14:04#8
Maybe the Irish rushing the kick was simply an extension of their mentality on the day , ie they were there to win it , they played  on the edge and @ the highest level they could. Rushing the kick could have worked & a draw was better than being passive @ watching the kick go over. 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Nov 2013, 15:09
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30 Nov 2013, 15:09#9
 
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Posts: 1140 RE: All Blacks get rub of the green from refs again (hey Beeno, did you write this?)
November 30, 2013, 12:02:21 I guess Burke (appropriately named) doesn't know what 'run up' means as opposed to shimmying or treading in the same place or any pre-ritual before a run up.  The Irish actually did the same thing when Cruden converted  Franks try...watch it but because it went over there was no reason to have it again...................
Correct. That was when Ireland was warned about the early charge, and that is exactly why he only warned them. As you say, had he missed, he would have awarded a retake there and then without the warning. The Irish actually shot themselves in the foot there because chances are that he would have missed without the early charge in any case but because of the early charge, Cruden could take his time with the second kick. When you get the second change, the time limit in taking the kick falls away. You can take as long as you like.
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
01 Dec 2013, 03:32
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01 Dec 2013, 03:32#10

 Beeno is correct and obviously one of the few that can see the reality/s at play here. there is absolutely no question that the kiwis consistently get the help of bent refs - im sure AIGs are paying some cash into the IRB coffers or ref panel at some level here its just too consistently one-sided.

 

Irish lost that game by not kicking the ball out with 30 secs to go - but the ref in the 2nd half was completely and utterly fraudulent and obviously AIGs had a lot invested in the game.........................

 

anyway the wallabies are back after finally rooting out all the toxic legacy left over by idiot kiwi coach

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
01 Dec 2013, 05:58
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01 Dec 2013, 05:58#11
 Redsy..er...what about all those other kiwis playing for NZ's B Team in Gold? 
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