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All Blacks legend Andrew Mehrtens sees Bernard Foley as Wallabies No.10

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 May 2014, 10:02
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06 May 2014, 10:02#1

All Blacks great Andrew Mehrtens says Waratahs five-eighth Bernard Foley must be considered for the Wallabies No.10 jersey this year. 

While the debate over the pivotal position has revolved around the merits and pitfalls of Quade Cooper versus Matt Toomua, Mehrtens said Australia coach Ewen McKenzie would ignore Foley at his peril in the lead up to next year's World Cup. 

"I really like Foley. Before I ever met him I watched him on [the Wallabies end of year tour] last year and I loved when he came on at fullback against Wales," Mehrtens said. 


"He just looked full of energy, full of running, and he had a go in a good way, not just for the sake of it. You know he is dangerous, he brings the ball up to the line and if he senses an opportunity he has a crack, but not in a greedy way."

The 77-Test All Black acknowledged Toomua was making a powerful case for selection as five-eighth for Australian conference leaders the Brumbies but questioned whether the Wallabies could sustain another World Cup campaign with Cooper at No.10.

"I just wonder with Cooper that if he doesn't have dominance in front of him, he isn't the same player," Mehrtens said. "No fly half is really, if they don't have dominance in front, but I think he relies on that front-foot ball a lot more and I wonder whether the Wallabies will get that much against the All Blacks, for example. 

"It's a combination thing too and I don't know if Quade's style suits the midfield Australia is likely to put out there. In fact, I don't know what midfield it does suit at the moment. Under pressure, he runs up his own tail a bit too much.

"There is no doubting he has a lot of skill and a lot of talent, I just think there are guys operating a little more cleanly at the moment in that No.10 role at the moment." 

After a breakout season in the Waratahs No.10 jersey last year, 2014 has been a slow burn for Foley, a former Australian sevens player of the year who made his Wallabies debut with a try against Argentina less than 12 months ago. 

Swamped by big name back-line players Israel Folau, Kurtley Beale and Adam Ashley-Cooper, Foley has toiled away at five-eighth with a brief to straighten the Waratahs' attack and work on his leadership. 

It hasn't always come off as planned. The bonus-point try bonanzas dried up in South Africa and Foley, Beale and halfback Nick Phipps went on a hunt for answers.

On Saturday night, after the Waratahs' five-try 39-30 lesson to the Hurricanes, NSW coach Michael Cheika hailed their contributions as season-best performances. 

"[Foley and Phipps] are still very young [in age] but also maybe they haven't been handed the idea that they are looking after everyone else as well," Cheika said. 

"Both of the lads took a big step up in maturity in not just looking after their own game but looking after the other lads as well in the way they set up the team.

"I thought Beale alongside, that was outstanding. When we went [24-7] down, he and Foley stood up and tried to control the game to put us back in the picture and that was very good."

Mehrtens, who works with Foley as the side's part-time kicking consultant, said the 24-year-old's form warranted a Test call-up.

"As a No.10 he has the skills, he has a lot of heart, he tackles well and attacks well and I think the goal kicking has been bloody good this year as well," he said. 

"Kicking and goal kicking has never been something he's had to rely on so much because he's so talented, but the more kicking he does – whether it's out of hand or goal kicking – the more consistent he is getting. 

‘‘Where you wouldn't normally have called him a natural goal kicker a year or two ago,  I think he's a lot more so now."

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 May 2014, 10:06
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06 May 2014, 10:06#2
I  like Mehrtens description of Cooper:"Under pressure, he runs up his own tail a bit too much." That sounds like a good summary to me even though he has shown some maturity lately.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
06 May 2014, 10:23
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06 May 2014, 10:23#3
 Not sure i can agree Tahs gave Canes a lesson, but Canes def got a lesson in not taking your opp for granted, having a 20 pt lead, and not following through was a lack of proficiency on Canes part. Re Foley solid player, i would pick Foley over cooper.
1. Kepu 2. Moore 3. Slipper 4. Jones 5. Horwill (c) 6. Higgonbotham 7. Hooper 8. Mccalman 9. Genia 10. Foley 11. Cummins 12. Mccabe 13. Aac 14. Tomane 15. Folau
16. Tpf 17. Cowan 18. Simmons 19. Dennis 20. Phibbs 21. Cooper 22. Beale
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 May 2014, 12:30
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06 May 2014, 12:30#4
 
Anyone is better than the useless Cooper.

Most over rated player on the planet ... especially by the Ozzies.

O'Connor should have been left at 10. Deans saw something there. A little more game time would have brought his natural talent to the fore.

Folau, Beale and O'Connor are all musts for the Wallabies.



 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 May 2014, 12:46
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06 May 2014, 12:46#5
 Matt to me looks to be the Ozzie flyhalf.As I have been saying Oz will be a handful thsi year and the kiwis must enjoy their holding of the Bledisloe while it last and be ready to hand over the RC cup as well.
O'Connor was a big head who got chopped and rightly so. Maybe he will learn although its unlikely the boneheaded wee cc ever will. Bwahahhahahahahahahaha
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
06 May 2014, 13:01
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06 May 2014, 13:01#6
  Lol keep saying Beeno maybe even you well beleive it. I have seen no evidence to suggest anything well change from now and the RC, then the RCW. And even you with all your comprehension deficiencies. has no evidence to suggest that 1. Oz well win the Bledisloe after 11 years and 2. The abs wont retain the wc. Using oh NZ dont win away is crap, no one can say they won't for all we know Namibia well win the world cup. I know the likes of Beenos feel so confident that NZ is declining, Oz and Sa are on the upwards bla bla bla, but you have been saying that every year, but the same outcome happens NZ kick butt. The question well be have SA and OZ and the rest of the rugby world caught up enough to compete with the might All Blacks. In any case making any predictions at this point is nothing more then premature.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 May 2014, 13:54
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06 May 2014, 13:54#7
 
Your just upset with me, HenPecked, cause I pointed out the truth.

It's not my fault you let your wench run over you like that, so don't take it out on me.

You gotta keep her under your thumb, bozo.

Then again, I suppose you'll need to grow a spine first, huh?

3k ... to answer your question ... no!!! We are all a ways back from where we ought to be. Bad planning, poor coaching and the lack of boldness will once again cost us.

Meyer said he would prepare our boys for the world cup but all he's done is cower in his little corner, wondering what to do next. 

That and selecting codgers who can no longer muster enough energy to tie their bootlaces. 

Forgive ol beandip ... he doesn't know his arse from his elbow at the best of times.


3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
06 May 2014, 14:10
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06 May 2014, 14:10#8
 Pick Kankowski, been saying it since the rules suited a more expansive gameplan, the boks are still too conservative and pragmatic. Need to blood in more young players, and balance it with exp. 
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
06 May 2014, 21:40
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06 May 2014, 21:40#9
brother beeno has correctly used his one right call for the week, matt toomua is the best wallaby 10, not foley and not out of form cooper.

merhts is being A typical cos hes the waratahs goal kicking coach and works closely with these guys, so expect nothing less fro mehrts regardless the logic.

with beale and mccabe in real good fomr while wearing 12, leilafano is another name u could throw in the hat, its where he started anyways before moving to 12 and becoming a star during whites tenure before jake raised the white flag.

but the reality is mackenzie has too many obvious flaws, mainly his continued preference of cooper, horwill and genia who are all class when red hot, but are so out of form, they wouldnt even make CC or ITM teams.
so look for cooper to continue his wallaby incumbency role.

IMO the top wallaby flyhalves are,,,
1 matt toomua
2 christain leilafano
3 kurtley beale
4 bernard foley
5 mike harris
6 quade cooper
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