All Blacks linked with Steroids

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Wellington - A New Zealand rugby drug cheat has refused to name star players on steroids despite being offered a reduction on his six-year playing ban if he did, according to a report Sunday.

A number of professional players including one New Zealand representative are believed to be involved, but Andrew Burne told Fairfax Media he was not interested in destroying the careers of others.

In 2013, when Burne was a senior rugby player in Wellington, police found bottles of the anabolic steroid Dianabol during a search of his house.

He was discharged without conviction in court, but Drugfree Sport New Zealand, which enforces World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) codes, then took the case to New Zealand Rugby which last year imposed a six-year ban.

Burne bought the steroids for himself and rugby-playing friends, and contact names and messages found on his phone by police were handed over to Drugfree Sport.

When he approached Drugfree Sport offering to help with education campaigns about the dangers of drugs in sport, he was instead asked to discuss a deal requiring him to identify the players he had supplied.

Fairfax cited a recent email to Burne in which Drugfree Sport investigations director Jude Ellis detailed how they could ask to have his ban reduced if he provided "substantial assistance" under a rule which allows for rewards in return for evidence that leads to another person being found guilty of doping.

"We have not previously dealt with this rule directly and it is a little complex, so if you are serious about this we will need to chat some more so you are clear on what would be required," Ellis advised.

Fairfax quoted Burne as saying some players he associated with had gone on to play professionally and one to represent New Zealand.

But he maintained he was not interested in destroying their careers and would rather help stop young people taking drugs in the first place.

"I went to them, trying to work out a way to do something positive for the game and to try and stop other young guys doing steroids. I don't want anyone else to make the same mistake I did, but all they want is names," he said.

"And what's that going to do? If I say I gave someone steroids, it's my word against theirs. If they had any proof, they would have done something already."

Burne said the extra bulk from taking steroids was not worth getting caught and he was sincere about wanting to provide a better environment for others.

"If they want to treat me like a criminal, even though I'm not, that's up to them," he added.

"But the rules should be changed. You shouldn't only be able to get off if you nark on others. Shouldn't you be able to get a smaller ban if you do something good?"

I wonder who, and how many were linked.  He claims at least one current All Black took/takes steroids...

As if the cynical fouls in the red zone were not enough..

Under the carpet is an Everest of misdeeds Sharkbokkie. Alas wha t can we do with  these bent kiwis!

All Blacks have traditionally had pools of farming rural types just like the Afrikaners. Add in the Polynesians and we actually have a better blend of size and athleticism Beeno! I hate these kinds of debates because it mostly ends up with a holy than thou mud fight. Steroids are a big problem in almost every sport espe ially contact sports. There have been lots of south Africans caught out and there was England's suspicious muscle growth in their 2007 squad for the World Cup. Like celebs are cocaine you'll never get the real picture of how wide spread it is. There are so few opportunities at the top level of the game that there is fierce competition to get there. I heard rumours about Goosens injuries being because of steroid use in his teens like Brazil's Ronaldo in footy. 

Ezetbeth is your typical yarpie rugby international. Not an ounce of natural talent or a trace of ball skills, just pumped full of steroids and sent out to maim or injure the oppo.

Its a system that worked for the Steroidboks for many years but  the way the game has evolved, skill has become more important than brute force so now even non rugby nations like Japan are beating the yarpie bully boys.

Ka mutt is not the Boks being accused of using steroids (why would we as we are naturally very big okes!) its the wee abs suffering from muscular deficiencies!!! AND empty heads! Hahahahhahahahahahaha

Yo Ka Tato, what's with the yarpie slurs? Some Saffa been mean to you or something. There there petal. You'll get over it.....See I'm over it already.

You wouldn't like it if I called  NZlanders Hori boys would you. 

Most of the NZ posters on here seem to be really decent people..... you not so much.

Xavi  who wrote these comments about the wee abs lack of discipline and use of steroids etc. Were they South A fricans?

Also are the articles true or not? 

Beeno, fake news is everywhere.

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Cape Town - New Zealand Rugby (NZR) is confident doping is not systemic in the sport but says any future breaches have the potential to "darken the image of players who have gone before them in the black jersey".

This comes after it was revealed earlier this month that four New Zealand rugby players had been suspended for doping offences.

Glen Robertson, a former New Zealand under-20 and sevens international and female player Zoe Berry, who played one Test for the Black Ferns against England in 2012, were both given four-year suspensions.

Two other club-level players received a two-year ban and a 21-month ban respectively.

Rhys Pedersen, Berry and Robertson were banned for possessing and in some cases using or attempting to use stimulant clenbuterol, while Ben Qauqau-Dodds was charged with possession and use or attempted use of anabolic steroid methandienone .

In an interview with NewstalkZB over the weekend, Neil Sorensen, NZR's general manager, said the issue could be "incredibly damaging".

Sorensen said Drug Free Sport New Zealand (DFSNZ) had told the NZR to expect more doping charges against Kiwi rugby players.

"It's massively disappointing. We knew it was coming as Drug Free Sport gave us a heads up some time ago that it was coming. We've been told there are more (rugby players) to follow,” Sorensen was quoted as saying on the Stuff.co.nz website.

The NZR had not been told what level the players were involved in because the DFSNZ inquiries were confidential, he added.

Zoey was a Black Fern back in 2012 and the (drug) education that she received obviously didn't get through."

Sorensen said it could be "incredibly damaging" to New Zealand rugby's international media image if a high profile player was involved.

SB

One must be careful to point fingers iro NZ players only - we have some problems in SA as well and England and the source of most steroids - the USA as well.  

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Ou maaaaikie  am sure that if South African rugby ever descended into the cesspool that is kiwi rugby we would all hear about it very quickly. As no such stinging reports like this one have come out one must focus on the problem at hand and how to ensure the kiwi drug cheats and their enablers like ou JW don't prosper.

Beeno calling on all decent folk to take a stand against the kiwi duggers . Hhaahahahahahahhahahaha

Beeno...SA rugby is already a cesspool according to SA rugby fans...

polyboy

Sure - but the reason is race-based politics and not doping or anything really to do with player performances.   

Haaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaa!!!

See how these Kiwis come out in their droves to defend their use of banned substances. No apology ... no humble tone ... not one of them has the integrity to stand up against it ... all we see is a full out attack with "you used it so why can't we".

Typical.

Really is amazing how these low life hicks have cheated their way to the top of world rugby. On field foul play ... cheating and bad sportsmanship from captains like Read and McCaw ... refs paid to look the other way ... and now steroids.

What stuns me is that these people not only help themselves to the Polynesians that inhabit the islands around them, claiming them for themselves with promises of citizenship and large bags of money ... but they actually have the audacity to walk around strutting their stuff as though it's only New Zealand and it's people who've accomplished this.

The team's name should be changed to "The Combined South Pacific Coconuts".

Look how they carried on after they cheated the French and were handed the WC in 2011. One would swear that they actually won the trophy by their own effort. Haaaaaahahahahaaaa!!! They have no shame. Talk about a deluded bunch of hypocrites.

They'll probably have their use of banned substances approved by the IRB. They already have a totally different set of rules to play by than the rest of us. Players like SBW having his foul play suspension cut short for no apparent reason. It's never ending.

What really cracks me up is to see their pouting little faces and listen to them cry and bitch when other countries beat them against such massive odds. Then it's everyone's fault. Cheating refs (ask Hakwazeeeeeeeee) ... no fair, no fair ... boo hoo!!

Stop sniveling and show a little appreciation for what you've been allowed to get away with all these years. Unlike you, the rest of us play to a rigid set of rules.

Sounds like Clean Cut is struggling to deal with the fact that the All Blacks own the SteroidBoks. Either that or he's still upset cos his wife/boyfriend said Dan Carter was a dish. 

Actually ... Japan, Italy, Wales and Ireland also own the Boks and I'm sure the Scots would too if they had a crack at us. What's your point?

You Coconuts need players from other countries to make up your team. They're all bought and paid for.

You Coconuts need preferential treatment on the field to help you to the number 1 spot.

You Coconuts need under the counter aid to receive the World Cup trophy as a handout. Either that or we'll be forced to listen to another 30 years of grownups crying ... and if that's not enough, doping seems to be a favourite past time among you lot ... that and a new pair of gumboots ... isn't that right, Hick?    

Dan Carter? You aren't referring to that drunkard are you?

Watched a high schools game recently on TV and some of those kids seem like they spend around 30 Hours a day working out in the gym.

Now I have the following questions:

1. Is it genetics.

2.Is it from working out.

3.Juicing.

Drugs have infiltrated every single aspect of our being and are a curse to all mankind. 

No country is immune to this problem and with professional sport it is important to win or come first irrespective if you have or have not used drugs to get the big bucks.

So lets not assume, accuse or be the first one to cast stones.

You never know what you don't know!  

Bitches from down under be buying steeeroids from under the counter. Makin alllll kinds a gainz. 

AJ

It doesn't have to be juice.

Creatine, aspartic test boosters, proteins, glutamine, BCAAs and lots chicken. All legal.

Oh don't forget pre-workouts. These days they give you goosebumps on your cheeks IE Energy for days. 

Add all that to to a young body that's already full of testosterone and hormones...and you get jacked 18 year olds ready to crack skulls.

I didn't even use supplements in my twenties. 

At that age you just walk past a gym and and you're ready to flex.

...Or maybe they're all watching CCs "big Ron" tapes and lifting 25kg - Unassisted. I hear that works very well too.

I think young guys today need test because its dropping in todays generation. Their all pussys. 

I know a few young lads that would fold you in half and put you in their pocket for later man. 

My view is that the spectrum is more polarised these days. Some seriously hard chaps on one side and...umm others that wanna wear scarfs and talk about feelings while insinuating that they're special and feel unappreciated.

AJH

I recently came across letters Lady Anne Barnard wrote to the later regent of UK in about 1800.  She travelled around the then Cape Colony and in the letters she a couple of times mentioned the massive size of the then Dutch residents - mainly men - but also women.   She obviously saw what was the gene pool of the Afrikaners even then

However, I think the size of people has more to do with diets than anything else.  If you take for instance Piet Spiere - the Springbok prop of the 1950's he was 6'1" weighing 96 kgs.  His grandson Pieter-Stef is 6'9" weighing 116 kgs,  Was at one stage 120 kgs - but came down 4 to play at 7.

I will go back even further.   In the 1938 Springbok tour of 1938 there was a lock by the surname Nel - who played at lock and was described in the press as a giant,  He was in fact 6'1" as well.

The Afrikaans people were huge because on the farms they ate healthy meals and did hard labour work for generations.   but there are two issues here,  The one is height - which cannot be affected by drugging,  The other is bulk and that is where drugs like steroids becomes a problem.

You get the druggies in every country.   In the 2000 Olympics in Sydney there was an obvious drug problem - but no tests indicate drugs in the system of athletes.   A few years later a drug factory was found in California producing drugs that was not previously identifiable and then the retests resulted in a large number of medals returned by druggies.   Remember Ian Thorpe - the swimmer - he vanished from swimming in about 2006 when he was 23 years old.  Alsio I believe his prowess vanished when he stopped using drugs, 

So lets face facts - drugging is a problem worldwide - not only in specific countries,   .                    

Test levels are going down across the board big time. I'm one of those bigger dudes. I work in construction not a pencil pusher. Wherever I am I'm always one of the bigger guys if not the biggest.

As long as everyone gets a medal for showing up...the world is right.

Wow... now this is a news story...

WHO is the offending current kiwi drug cheat??...

SBW  / READ / Barrett/s / Retallick (returning from injury so quickly - may be aided by sheep growth hormones?)

Once again the kiwis fly in the face of fairness and equity for their win at all costs mentality... 

Bring in the performance enhancing drug testing immediately is the answer...!

while we're at it- that pom underhill looks like he may be on the juice too... abnormal proportions...

At least the aussie boys dont cheat - see u in the QFs poms... unless Fiji can do a job on the welsh... 

Scot v Japanee and Wales v Fiji the two most interesting pool games left now

Don't get too excited Pedsman. The article was written nearly 2 years ago....