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MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 Mar 2014, 01:55
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12 Mar 2014, 01:55#1

All Blacks professionalism highlighted


Just how much All Blacks rugby has embraced the concept of professionalism is highlighted by the editors of the 2014 New Zealand Rugby Almanack.


Clive Akers, Adrian Hill and Geoff Miller make the point in their editorial that until the end of the amateur era in 1995, the All Blacks had a success rate of 11.2 over their nearest rival in international rugby, South Africa.

Since the advent of professionalism in 1996, that success rate is now 31.2 percent ahead of South Africa, who were still in second place.


"Other teams talk of peaking for the Rugby World Cup; the All Blacks don't peak, they regularly deliver excellence, as demonstrated by the achievement of increasing their all-time winning percentage in 12 of their last 13 years," the editors said.

But it is not only the All Blacks who demonstrate such dominance. New Zealand ended the year with the world sevens titles for both men and women and the Women's World Cup.

In their review of the year the editors also make the point that attendances at grounds are affected by the superior quality of television production on offer, and while the knowledge of the top commentators is respected, the ex-players used in comments roles should match their criticism of referees with critiques of their area of speciality, the players.

A feature of the Almanack is its New Zealand XV of the year. Often controversial it features the absence of Dan Carter from the side this year. The editors note that they, like the All Blacks selectors, are spoilt for choice.

"There is little doubt that Daniel Carter is the greatest first five-eighth to play the game. However equally there is little doubt we saw more product from Aaron Cruden who is our choice for 2013," they wrote.

Another surprise was the advance of hooker Dane Coles to selection in the wake of Andrew Hore's retirement.

The team is: 1: Tony Woodcock, 2.Dane Coles, 3.Owen Franks, 4.Samuel Whitelock, 5.Brodie Retallick, 6.Liam Messam, 7.Richie McCaw (captain), 8.Kieran Read, 9.Aaron Smith, 10.Aaron Cruden, 11.Julian Savea, 12.Ma'a Nonu, 13.Conrad Smith, 14.Ben Smith, 15.Israel Dagg.

Reserves: 16.Keven Mealamu, 17.Charlie Faumuina, 18.Ben Franks (Hurricanes), 19.Steven Luatua, 20.Sam Cane, 21.Andy Ellis, 22.Beauden Barrett, 23.Charles Piutau.

The Five Players of the Year sees Kieran Read, Aaron Smith, Ben Smith and Samuel Whitelock take expected places with Tasman's Marty Banks the surprise, though not unworthy, inclusion.

As would be expected of the season's statistical guide, his impact could be measured in facts. In seven previous years of Tasman rugby there had only been five occasions when a player had scored more than 20 points in a game. Banks scored more than 20 points in a game five times on his own during the season! His feat in scoring 170 points in eight weeks of ITM Cup play would take some beating they said.

The Five Promising Players of the Year were: Mark Abbott from Hawke's Bay, Kane Hames from the Bay of Plenty, Milford Keresoma from Canterbury, Rhys Marshall from Taranaki and Richard Mo'unga from Canterbury.

And the happenings column is always good for some rugby trivia.

For instance, did you know that by appearing in 13 wins over France, Keven Mealamu and Ma'a Nonu hold the world record for being in most Test wins over that country?

Also the last-minute win over Ireland featured the biggest come-from-behind win in All Blacks history. They had never been 0-19 down and yet come back to win.

Piri Weepu is in a class of his own. No player in world rugby has made more than his 46 appearances as a substitute, and he has twice been involved in runs of 16 consecutive wins which no other player has achieved.

And there is plenty more where those facts came from.

Given the upheaval in the New Zealand publishing industry in recent years, it is especially notable that a commitment to continue publishing the Almanack ensures a continuity in the game's minutiae without which the game would be much inferior. For that the publishers Upstart Press and the New Zealand Rugby Union are to be congratulated.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 Mar 2014, 02:01
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12 Mar 2014, 02:01#2
some things the uchiha clan found interesting,,,

",,,until the end of the amateur era in 1995, the All Blacks had a success rate of 11.2 over their nearest rival in international rugby, South Africa.
Since the advent of professionalism in 1996, that success rate is now 31.2 percent ahead of South Africa, who were still in second place."

"Other teams talk of peaking for the Rugby World Cup; the All Blacks don't peak, they regularly deliver excellence, as demonstrated by the achievement of increasing their all-time winning percentage in 12 of their last 13 years," the editors said."

"But it is not only the All Blacks who demonstrate such dominance. New Zealand ended the year with the world sevens titles for both men and women and the Women's World Cup."

"For instance, did you know that by appearing in 13 wins over France, Keven Mealamu and Ma'a Nonu hold the world record for being in most Test wins over that country?"

"Also the last-minute win over Ireland featured the biggest come-from-behind win in All Blacks history. They had never been 0-19 down and yet come back to win."

"Piri Weepu is in a class of his own. No player in world rugby has made more than his 46 appearances as a substitute, and he has twice been involved in runs of 16 consecutive wins which no other player has achieved."


bow thee all to the might of the NZ rugby empire, lest thou art destroyed, :oP

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 Mar 2014, 02:05
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12 Mar 2014, 02:05#3
another good comment,

",,,and while the knowledge of the top commentators is respected, the ex-players used in comments roles should match their criticism of referees with critiques of their area of speciality, the players."

a lesson worth teaching to bob skinstadt who is the worst commentator in the game.

kearnsy and marto are also very quick to blame the ref, but at least they have comedic attributes which while it dosent excuse their very one eyed comments, makes them more tolerable.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
12 Mar 2014, 10:58
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12 Mar 2014, 10:58#4
 sweet to be an ABS fan innit ? I hardly ever have to experience the agonizing pain of defeat unlike fans of "ahem " lesser teams ! why its been years and years and years since they lost a series ! All those poor wee saffas like beandork should find a team that gives them the same feeling ! they would have to wear Black tho' but its ever so flattering to even the portliest gent from saffaland ! try it ! you will love it !hahahaha!
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Mar 2014, 11:27
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12 Mar 2014, 11:27#5
Lets just reverse the effects of biased refs and we would most likely be 50 ahead of the hapless wee abs.
Just remember kbbs we were ahead of you guys in tests before isolation. So no ways can you claim to be better pre isolation. Since then you have taken cheating to absurd levels ala bryce lawrence etc etc. Its common cause around the world today that the kiws are rugby cheats. Read my posts made today are stop being such denialists. Dr Venter is a very respected rugby man and says what I have been saying - there must be consequences for bent refs.We have been robbed blind in our last two matches gains the crusaders. The record books of course reflect wins for the crusties but its all a mythical record.I have no respect at all for  kiwi rugby until this matter is dealt with.
Beeno calling a spade a spade. Sorry kiwis but you have to face up to it your rugby record is a complete myth deserving of no respect whatsoever.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Mar 2014, 11:30
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12 Mar 2014, 11:30#6
 Kiwi professionalism refers t o professional cheating!  
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
12 Mar 2014, 12:13
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12 Mar 2014, 12:13#7
 Its a sad arsed reaction to constantly losing I am afraid Cloudy ! Its made him lose what few wits he had in the first place and frankly its old ! and oh so dulllllllll!!!!
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Mar 2014, 12:27
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12 Mar 2014, 12:27#8
 Hi there Cloudy - I am fine and just enjoying enlightening the kiwis as is my wont.
Kiwis should consider the following quote from Justin:

All Black legend Justin Marshall discussing their teams’ Super Rugby efforts this past weekend in the New Zealand Herald.

Marshall should get points for diplomacy. Journalist Chris Rattue, writing in the same publication, aimed his gun much straighter:

“Our Super 15 teams have been rubbish, by and large, so far. Even the wonderful Kieran Read is playing like a plonker. The New Zealand teams have come roaring out the gate like a drunk exiting a nightclub at 3am.”

Ouch!


Can we expect bent refs to excel more than ever to rescue the hapless kiwis!! 


Beeno with his finger on the pulse.

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
12 Mar 2014, 12:57
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12 Mar 2014, 12:57#9
 You notice beandork how most Kiwis dont feel the need to bag your teams ? Is your ungracious rubbish an indicator of saffa mentality ? or Kiwi superiority in the greatest sport on the planet making it oh so easy for us ABS fans to look at folks like you with something akin to pity ,must be hard year after year reduced to always being the ugliest of bridesmaids .....poor wee feller you should try supporting a team with an actual winning record against all comers then you can stop whining about refs and such !
OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
12 Mar 2014, 18:00
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12 Mar 2014, 18:00#10
My favorite quote: "the All Blacks don't peak,"

Helps explain why such a dominant team has struggled to only two World Cup titles !!

I must hand it to the editors who are obviously very aware of their teams shortcomings


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2014, 18:08
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12 Mar 2014, 18:08#11
Well we used to play NZ....now we play the Pacific Region. That's probably the biggest change. In the seventies guys ascribed all sorts of professional practices to the companies on the so called Excellent Companies list....today the majority of those companies are either gone or significantly diminished. Analysts found on relection, their excellence had more to do with fundamental things, like the explosion of suburbia, than professional practices. Things like a much wider player pool for NZ.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Mar 2014, 18:31
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12 Mar 2014, 18:31#12

Don't worry boys, according to some "the ABs can't play on soft fields" so there is some "hope". Pray for rain, lol

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2014, 18:50
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12 Mar 2014, 18:50#13
With a "good" ref your ABs could play on Mars or in Dublin . 
NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
12 Mar 2014, 19:33
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12 Mar 2014, 19:33#14
 With a "good" team, your Boks could actually win a match against the mighty All Blacks.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2014, 19:49
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12 Mar 2014, 19:49#15
 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2014, 19:53
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12 Mar 2014, 19:53#16
You mean RWC games? But. I forget, we are leading 2 to 1 in that most demanding form of the game. Perhaps you chaps could ask the Aussies for  a quid pro Bryce Lawrence?
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Mar 2014, 21:17
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12 Mar 2014, 21:17#17
 Moz i simply cannot believe these kiwis actually belie ve their own hype!!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2014, 21:56
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12 Mar 2014, 21:56#18
Well admittedly they do well in the lesser tournaments....but on the other hand we have been so abysmally coached under guys like Destroyli and Pieter.  
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Mar 2014, 00:03
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13 Mar 2014, 00:03#19
 Cant count either "RWC games leading 2-1 " just another saffa whiner ,I remember when Bok fans used to be a dour unforgiving lot but at least they didnt whine about refs like little bitches ,you should get someone to read the ABS winning stats as compared to "lesser " teams that cant even win the "lesser " comps  pfffftttt ....
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
13 Mar 2014, 00:15
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13 Mar 2014, 00:15#20
professional cheats at the breakdown!! 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2014, 00:29
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13 Mar 2014, 00:29#21
And braggarts. NZ guys used to be modest like Bok fans, now they remind me of Aussies. Well they still haven't won a RWC away from home.....I was at Twickenham in 99 watching the French take them apart....a complete mental collapse.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
13 Mar 2014, 00:31
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13 Mar 2014, 00:31#22
 i was getting worried beeno and sharkbok never miss an oppurtunity to come across conceded. Pretty rich tho if anyone has ever cheated at the breakdown its the boks, accusing the abs of cheating is just misguided anger towards your own twisted ethilogy. Besides its getting old you sa fans consistently harping on about nz teams cheating, i hope when the boks finnally beat nz in any form of rugby, i hope you do it with dignity, because you sure aint showing any in defeat. Maybe learn a something or two from the professionalism of nz .
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
13 Mar 2014, 00:32
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13 Mar 2014, 00:32#23
 Mozart you as a sa, trying to give lectures on modesty please lol.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Mar 2014, 01:14
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13 Mar 2014, 01:14#24
 Bok fans like "mozart " have no need of the internet ,their whiny girl noises can be heard from here ! And braggarts ? isnt that you ? "we are leading 2-1 in RWC " ???Your alzheimers kicking in ?and you still cant count ,and relying on the French for reflected glory ? sad ....Strange isnt it eh 3ku1 how since the advent of neutral refs and more away games the boks have gone backwards ? Some bok fans need to just grow some man balls .....it will at least raise their whiny girl noises a few octaves !
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2014, 01:26
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13 Mar 2014, 01:26#25
So Wardud, are you saying we aren't leading 2 to 1 head to head at the WC?  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2014, 01:32
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13 Mar 2014, 01:32#26
So Coudy defend the Dud tell me the Boks don't have a two to one record against the ABs at the RwC. The moron needs all the help he can get and then has the temerity to accuse me of not knowing the facts. Dumbdad might be more appropriate. Game, set and match.  
PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
13 Mar 2014, 01:54
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13 Mar 2014, 01:54#27
2:1 in world cups is the probably the last stat Boks are on the right side of ledger on, enjoy it, we're comfortable with our 12 rugby championships to the Boks 2, our 28 to 12 head to head against the Boks in the pro era, our 12 super rugby franchise wins to South Africa's 3, our 11 world sevens circuit wins to South Africa's 1, our 4 under 20 world cup wins to South Africa's 1....
PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
13 Mar 2014, 01:57
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13 Mar 2014, 01:57#28
 Cloudy, we lost to SA in 1995, and 1999 3rd place playoff...these are wins cobbling together what little remains of Bok pride on this thread.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2014, 02:00
#29
13 Mar 2014, 02:00#29
Thanks poi-e I was beginning to wonder if IQ levels have plunged dangerously low in NZ.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2014, 02:22
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13 Mar 2014, 02:22#30
No worries Cloudy....the third place game tends to get overlooked.  
PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
13 Mar 2014, 03:43
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13 Mar 2014, 03:43#31
 The IQ is no lower than regular Moz, we still put our pants on 2 legs at a time.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Mar 2014, 04:38
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13 Mar 2014, 04:38#32
 So once again the dimwitted old woman in the absence of any actual coherent defence against shers whiny ref bagging resorts to little school kid name calling ,not half as smart as you allude to are you ? but the worst part of it is that you lack any wit or sagacity as evidenced by your stupid name calling ,next time you meet the other women in your sewing circle you should ask for a change of subject ! Actually its the fact that your so utterly boring ,so utterly dulllllllll.......thats the worst !And a "modest bok fan '? in your case thats an oxymoron ,amazes me how the utterly stupid like your mate beandick and yourself can brag without anything to brag about ! Surely this warrants scientific investigation ? Why its up there with cold fusion as a means of creating super heated air  ! energy from nothing ! perpetual motion ! = bok fans ref bleating !
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2014, 05:36
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13 Mar 2014, 05:36#33
Yep well that's a lot of whole lot of words. It doesn't  disguise the fact that you didn't even know the Boks were up 2 to 1 against the ABs at the RWC. . Not only were you dead wrong, but also smug. So now you just look like a nasty person in full damage control. Good old Wardud, a pigeon when one needs one.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Mar 2014, 05:46
#34
13 Mar 2014, 05:46#34
 Who gives a bugger about a 3rd place playoff ,is that all you have in your empty quiver? fact is your poor writing skills are a match for your poor sportsmanship ,go write some more whiney " ref cheated us " garbage old girl .Or grow some man baws and stop whingeing ...old woman says what ?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2014, 14:49
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13 Mar 2014, 14:49#35

Most chaps who had accused somebody else of Alzheimer's, when they themselves had forgotten the history, would just slink away. Why dontcha just do that.....Dud.

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Mar 2014, 15:41
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13 Mar 2014, 15:41#36
 Ah ! old woman says bugger all then !dumbass ....
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
13 Mar 2014, 15:44
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13 Mar 2014, 15:44#37
Boks do have a 2-1 advantage, its why they threw the match against the aussies in the 2011 RWC quater final. while a tad bit cowardice, very smart move from the Boks.

like i said many many times before, RWC is still in its infancy stages with only 7 RWCs to date.
cant wait to see what the ledger looks like after 14 RWCs.

using the TriNats as a template, the SANZAR teams have after 7 TriNat tournaments,,,
All Blacks - 4 titles
Boks - 1 title
wallys - 2 titles

after 14 TriNats
All Blacks - 9 titles
Boks - 3 titles
wallys - 2 titles

as u can see, the number of titles that the All blacks won at the beginning dosent begin to paint the picture of the TriNats as a whole.

the Boks and All Blacks rivalry was always neck and neck, Boks even had the advantage head to head during the amateur era, just.
but once games between the two countries became a regular fixture, the ledger became heavily one sided and the NZ rugby might has put the saffas well and trully in their place.
we have even manged to turn their proud rugby nation in to a nation of whinging crybaby ref bla ming girly men.

the RWC while a completely different tournament will be no different to anything else in the world of rugby, once the number of tournaments start to pile up, watch the All Blacks leave the rest of the world eating their dust.

the main reason why i am so confident in this is the All Blacks are the only team who strives to win every test match, while every other nation treats test matches in bewteen RWCs as build up matches for the vastly overrated RWC goal.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Mar 2014, 15:57
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13 Mar 2014, 15:57#38
"the main reason why i am so confident in this is the All Blacks are the only team who strives to win every test match, while every other nation treats test matches in bewteen RWCs as build up matches for the vastly overrated RWC goal."

Spot on!

Sasuke and Wardad, don't listen to these pathetic and delusional little crybabies. Most real Springbok rugby supporters share your view that every test match is important and they don't add extra weight to a newfangled once-every 4 years tournament where a team can win without playing any of the top 4 sides in the world . . . as happened in 2007.

The All Blacks head-to-head score against the Springboks since readmission is 35-14 and only a very stupid person or a rugby noob would try to pretend that a 2-1 score in RWCs (one of them a meaningless playoff game between the losing semifinalists) offsets that dominance in any way. Just ignore the weak-arsed little crybabies who have no respect and no real clue.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Mar 2014, 17:18
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13 Mar 2014, 17:18#39
 Rooi, unfortunately poi-e is correct. That small 2-1 head to head stats in RWC and the 1 - 0 in RWC finals is the only thing we have over the AB pro era stats against the Boks are truly impressive and will not even be levelled in my lifetime. Not even if we appoint the best coaches in the world and get rid of all politics and incompetent admin in the game. We can only strive to best them a few games in a row in the short term, like we did way back in 2009. How much of an idiot was that coach to achieve that? Maybe we  need more idiots in our rugby. It seems to pay devices. I know he had quite a bit of luck, but it is sad to know that our only really successful year was 5 years ago. Hope Meyer can turn things around this year!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2014, 19:27
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13 Mar 2014, 19:27#40

We were successful 5 years ago because we had hardened our game against the Lions. What emerged was a dominant pack and a kicker who made all his kicks. 

 

Cloudy I fully accept the misunderstanding,  but the whole thread was a tongue in cheek sledge.....I mean look as Sushi's posting about the Boks throwing the RWC 11 game against Oz so we wouldn't put our record against the ABs at risk.

 

Then we had Warlikedad coming straight out of the woodwork in full attack mode.....not for the first time. As long as this man keeps having hissyfits, he should expect to get smacked. If he wants to be cordial, I'll respond in kind.

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