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All Blacks squad for November tour named

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 02:29
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15 Oct 2018, 02:29#1

All Blacks Tour Squad - November

The squad naming is in two parts with a 32-man group for the first Bledisloe test and then an additional 19-man group to join the team in Japan for the Tokyo test and onwards to Europe.

The 32-Man Main Group


Hookers
Dane Coles (31, Wellington, 56)
Nathan Harris (26, Bay of Plenty, 18)
Codie Taylor (27, Canterbury, 38)

Props
Owen Franks (30, Canterbury, 103)
Nepo Laulala (27, Counties Manukau, 13)
Joe Moody (30, Canterbury, 36)
Karl Tu’inukuafe (25, North Harbour, 9)
Ofa Tuungafasi (26, Auckland, 22)

Locks
Scott Barrett (23, Taranaki, 14)
Brodie Retallick (27, Hawke’s Bay, 71)
Patrick Tuipulotu (25, Auckland, 19)
Samuel Whitelock (30, Canterbury, 105)

Loose Forwards
Vaea Fifita (26, Wellington, 7)
Dalton Papalii (21, Auckland, uncapped)
Kieran Read, captain (32, Counties Manukau, 114)
Ardie Savea (25, Wellington, 31)

2)

Liam Squire (27, Tasman, 20)
Matt Todd (30, Canterbury, 14)

Halfbacks
TJ Perenara (26, Wellington, 51)
Aaron Smith (28, Manawatu, 79)
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (23, Taranaki, 1)

First five–eighths
Beauden Barrett (27, Taranaki, 69)
Damian McKenzie (23, Waikato, 19)
Richie Mo’unga (24, Canterbury, 4)

Midfielders
Ryan Crotty (30, Canterbury, 41)
Jack Goodhue (23, Northland, 5)

Anton Lienert-Brown (23, Waikato, 30)
Sonny Bill Williams (33, Counties Manukau, 49)

Outside backs
Jordie Barrett (21, Taranaki, 7)
Rieko Ioane (21, Auckland, 20)
Waisake Naholo (27, Taranaki, 24)
Ben Smith (32, Otago, 73)



The 19 to join after the Wallabies test:

Hookers

Asafo Aumua (20, Wellington, uncapped, two non-Tests)
Liam Coltman (28, Otago, 3)

Props
Tyrel Lomax (22, Tasman, uncapped)
Reuben O’Neill (23, Taranaki, uncapped)
Tim Perry (29, Tasman, 5)
Angus Ta’avao (28, Taranaki, 1)

Locks
Luke Romano (32, Canterbury, 31)

Loose Forwards
Jackson Hemopo (24, Manawatu, 2)
Gareth Evans (27, Hawke’s Bay, uncapped)
Dillon Hunt (23, North Harbour, uncapped, one non-Test)

Luke Whitelock (27, Canterbury, 6)

Halfbacks
Mitchell Drummond (24, Canterbury, uncapped, one non-Test)
Bryn Hall (26, North Harbour, uncapped)

First five–eighths
Brett Cameron (21, Canterbury, uncapped)

Midfielders
Ngani Laumape (25, Manawatu, 8)
Matt Proctor (25, Wellington, uncapped)

Outside backs
George Bridge (23, Canterbury, uncapped)
David Havili (23, Tasman, 3)
Nehe Milner-Skudder (27, Manawatu, 12)


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 02:39
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15 Oct 2018, 02:39#2

A huge squad named. I'm still digesting it but a first glance it's good to see Coles, Retallick, Squire  and Moody back. Surprise A, Ioane is not included. Fifita is back in the main squad after being dropped earlier this year. Luamape is in the B team. Matt Todd is included, I don't see Frizel's name. Apparently both Frizel and Jordan Taufua have been listed as unavailable.


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 02:41
#3
15 Oct 2018, 02:41#3
I agree Cloudy a bolter or two always give aspiring players hope... of course I have personally been waiting a long time for my call up
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 02:46
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15 Oct 2018, 02:46#4

You might be right Cloudy, my old black leather ankle boots with the 2 inch studs might be the problem... that would explain a lot

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 02:59
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15 Oct 2018, 02:59#5

My boots were bought second hand from Terry Farrow who was TJ P's grandfather so they have lineage. That was back in around 1965, back then we didn't wear pink boots or pink leotards and tutus (as Beeno does). 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 03:03
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15 Oct 2018, 03:03#6
Well the Boks and their fans can thank their lucky stars they are not playing the Mighty All Blacks although no doubt we will soon hear from posters on this site about our "vulnerabilities".
What say you little Jack Horner?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 03:10
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15 Oct 2018, 03:10#7

Yes, I may reluctantly hang up my boots Cloudy and just write up my non selection to my travel schedule and constantly changing contact information.

I agree with what you said on another thread Cloudy, Hansen is keeping his cards close to his chest. In the last game against Boks he put restraints on players. You may have noticed that not one high ball was challenged on an AB kick. In the early games in the RWC you could see they were practicing different aspects of the game, e.g. defensive line tackling while in others they were up to something different. In the case of the last game against the Boks players must have been told to feel harassed and flustered and botch up the kicking. Evidence is plain to see as in the last quarter the restraints were taken off and viola (sic) we win the game easily.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 03:34
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15 Oct 2018, 03:34#8

Ha ha Cloudy, good one. It rings true to as people are very positive to those in military service. Thank you for your service is a common expression these days. Fair enough in my opinion.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Oct 2018, 04:22
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15 Oct 2018, 04:22#9

Laumape before SBW please. That performance by SBW at Loftus was the worst I have seen from an All Black centre. Will be interesting to see how he fares, it can't possibly be worse. Considerable depth throughout the team. Be sure to give those wee Leprechauns a wallop back over their rainbow. 

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Oct 2018, 05:45
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15 Oct 2018, 05:45#10

51 selected & there's still no room for Blam-Blam.

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
15 Oct 2018, 06:00
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15 Oct 2018, 06:00#11

...Matt Faddes would have been in the centres ahead of Proctor for mine.. five tries in the last three games Matt Faddes...instrumental in Otago's Ranfurly Shield win on the weekend.....two or three hat tricks this year and plays centre or fullback...what does he have to do to get noticed i wonder... and by comparison what has Proctor done 


WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
15 Oct 2018, 06:53
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15 Oct 2018, 06:53#12

Good call on Papaiili Mr Brycy !

JW when I was a wee lad I sometimes went to school barefoot but always had the best footy boots money could buy !

Think I still have some marks from those sprigs on me head and back JW .

Cloudy was in the banner party for the welcome home parade in Sydney 1986.their welcome home was a long time coming .

3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
15 Oct 2018, 08:18
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15 Oct 2018, 08:18#13

Proctors better imo. Yeah hes a cane. But he has been one of the best Centres in NZ ova the past 3 years. And I Think he has a skill set that could be really a POD player for the Abs. Looking a their 2018 Super Rugby Stats. Proctor played 9 Games, Faddes 8. 

Proctor: Run Metres = 236 Faddes: Run Metres = 122

Proctor: Defenders Beaten = 15 Faddes: Defeanders Beaten = 3

Proctor: Clean Breaks = 7 Faddes: Clean Breaks = 3

Proctor: Offloads = 4 Faddes: Offloads = 2

Proctor: Try Assists = 3 Faddes: Try Assists = 1

In Mitre 10 Cup Faddes Stats look better than Proctor. But Proctors Tackle success ratio is around 85%. Opposed to Faddes 70%.


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Oct 2018, 08:46
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15 Oct 2018, 08:46#14


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Oct 2018, 08:47
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15 Oct 2018, 08:47#15


BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
15 Oct 2018, 09:09
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15 Oct 2018, 09:09#16

...3ku like Mark Twain once said , most people use statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost, more for support than illumination...

... Faddes was an impact player covering multiple positions for the Landers in Super Rugby this year which is reflected in his stats ...so with all respect i'd still pick him 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 12:01
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15 Oct 2018, 12:01#17

Ha ha Beeno. I see that your image of the Boks has those wee skinny ankles that Moz abhors , must be modeled on that fantastic icon Matfield

AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
15 Oct 2018, 12:20
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15 Oct 2018, 12:20#18

Dalton Papalii is gonna be the next AB nº7 after the RWC (if not sooner),... and for a long time,... his defensive effort and work around the breakdown is second to none,... in this year NPC his tackle rate has been 163/6 in 8 games,... more than 20 tackles per game and 96'4%,....in his last 5 games he had 20/0, 21/3, 22/0, 29/1, 23/2

at 1.93 and 113 kg he's gonna be a very special openside,... hope he starts against Japan and later Italy


glad to see Todd there,... the current best NZ openside,... now Savea is the incumbent but wouldn't be any surprise if Todd ends up starting against Ireland (the most important gameof the EOYT)


some undeserved selections,... cannot understand what they see in Harris,... Coltman or Aumua are far better options,... Jordie Barrett has done nothing the whole season,...


but the most shocking inclusion is that of Brett Cameron,... as a Canterbury/Tasman and Crusaders fan i've seen all the Canterbury games and he's been average at best,... and that was at NPC level,... he has never played at SR level (well, 6 minutes against the bulls),... last year he started one game for Canterbury, against Wellington, and his mistakes (an interception in his 22 that lead to the lions' first try and a charged down kick to the third try) open the path to the trashing,... this year he has barely improved,... cannot control games, he's often charged down, average kicking to goal, foreseeable and easily stopped when attacking the line,... IMO he's one of the reasons (the other being the 2nd/5 P. Burleigh who is unable to make a proper tackle) of the Canterbury's backline's underperformance this season

if he's the 4th flyhalf the AB can have very serious problems if Barrett and Mo'unga get injured,.... I would not like to see an AB team with DMac at 10 (he's not a test flyhalf) and Cameron as back-up from the bench

AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
15 Oct 2018, 12:23
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15 Oct 2018, 12:23#19

very unlucky Jordan Taufua,... seems he's still injured,... he should have been there instead of Fifita

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
15 Oct 2018, 12:24
#20
15 Oct 2018, 12:24#20

So BP you reckon hes going to be the ABs bolter like Milner Skudder at the last RWC ?

Had  a closer look at him and he does look the biz.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 17:56
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15 Oct 2018, 17:56#21
ABs seem to want their 7 to be a hard-nosed tackling machine these days & Papalii seems to fit the bill. They beefed up McCaw in the later stages of his career as they did with cane & Savea, same with Todd.) Wardad, we only wore our rugby boots for games with refs - they were hung up with such things. We felt you were faster in bare feet, lol good memories mate
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
15 Oct 2018, 18:48
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15 Oct 2018, 18:48#22

hi wardad, I supose you're talking about Papalii,.... not Brett Cameron


hi JW,... yeah, that's the main task of an openside,... to be always in the physical battle,... tackling and trying to get the ball or, at least, slow it at the breakdowns,... something seems to have forgotten in SA

 I see Papalii like an improved version of Cane,... a very physicall presence at breakdowns,... but he's bigger, faster, more mobile and doesn't need the whole season to get the form (as Cane lately needs),... his time will come probably after the WC but if next year he can complete an entire SR season (this year he started 4 games, I think, and got injured), then, who knows,...

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 21:35
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15 Oct 2018, 21:35#23

More info on DALTON PAPALI'I? His tackle stats are amazing, e.g.  23, 29, 22, 21 and 20 in his last five starts 


Sam Warlow introduces new All Black Dalton Papali’i to the world – at least those who have not seen him in action for Auckland in the National Provincial Championship.

 

With just seven Super Rugby caps to his name and one full season of provincial rugby under his belt, national selection may have come earlier than some expected, but it’s impossible to deny that his efforts on the field justify a place in Steve Hansen’s 32-man squad for November – the only uncapped player not in the wider group of 19.

 

Barely 21 years old, the dynamic loose forward offers extreme value both on and off the park and will be in the All Black frame for years to come. Now is as good a time as any to indoctrinate Papali’i into the All Black environment, as he rides a rich vein of form with Auckland.

 

Papali’i has been in the national setup for several years, representing New Zealand at schoolboy level while captaining Saint Kentigern College and winning consecutive world titles with the Under 20 side in 2016 and 2017.

 

The 2018 NPC season has seen Papali’i’s star rise even higher as he helped guide Auckland to a top-of-the-table finish for the first time in eleven years.

 

Appearing in nine of Auckland’s ten matches, Papali’i has featured primarily at openside flanker after captain and Blues teammate Blake Gibson went down with a quad injury in week four of the competition.

 

A five-game stint in the No. 7 jersey was all that Papali’i needed to separate himself and impress selectors as a future Test flanker.

 

You’ll struggle to find someone hungrier for work around the park. As alluded to by head coach Alama Ieremia after Auckland’s 45-29 victory over North Harbour last weekend, the young loose forward’s defensive numbers speak volumes.

 

Tackle figures of 23, 29, 22, 21 and 20 in his last five starts make him one of the premier defensive players in both the competition and country. He’s also won eleven turnovers while conceding just one.

 

What is perhaps even more staggering than his remarkable tackle numbers is the astonishing accuracy with which Papali’i brings players down.

 

With 169 tackles made this season – good for close to 19 per contest – the hard-working flanker has missed just six times. Six. SIX. He actually didn’t miss a tackle until Auckland’s sixth match, and has a completion percentage of 97 percent heading into next weekend’s semi-final.

 

Listed at 1.93 metres tall and 113kg, he has the size and ability to play all three loose forward positions, something selectors covet. But it’s Papali’i’s growth as a pure No. 7 this season that has been simply incredible. He gives credit to Auckland forwards coach and former All Black Filo Tiatia.

 

“I felt like I’ve learnt a lot off Filo, the forwards coach,” Papali’i said. “But around my game, I knew the qualities of a seven, tackling and stuff, but they [the coaching staff] were showing me different ways of how to get to rucks and stuff like that.”

 

Next year Papali’i will be working closely with new Blues forwards coach and former Waikato loose forward Tom Coventry, who saw first-hand what the 21-year-old can do during Auckland’s victory over North Harbour.

 

“He gets himself down nice and low, comes forward off the line well,” Coventry, the current head coach of North Harbour, told RugbyPass. “He’s pretty accurate with his defensive work. Gets back to his feet quickly and is back in the game a lot and he complements a lot of the line breaks that are made. He’s often on the shoulder and he’s linking and lurking around the support play.”

 

“He’s physical and he’s got lineout ability as well. He ticks a lot of boxes.”

 

His defensive abilities come down to a perfect blend of his huge engine, extraordinary physical attributes and on-field intellect.

 

Against North Harbour – and plenty of opponents before them – Papali’i’s work around the breakdown and in the tackle was nothing short of surgical as he showcased an array of skills in bringing down the ball carrier or turning the ball over.

 

Seven minutes into the match, Papali’i won his first turnover after leaping past teammate Waimana Riedlinger-Kapa to steal the ball after Harbour No. 8 Murphy Taramai was tackled inside the Auckland 22. Unfortunately, after the impressive steal Taramai managed to get to his feet and force Papali’i into conceding a penalty for not releasing, but his early presence at the breakdown set the tone for the Aucklander’s defensive impact.

 

 

 

Ten minutes later that impact would be felt after Papali’i closed down on the Harbour attack following a Tumua Manu exit. One of the first arriving defenders after the clearance, Papali’i wrapped up Harbour fullback Shaun Stevenson and ripped the ball free, setting a platform for Auckland to strike near the opposition 22.

 

His decision making on defence ensures maximum output in the right areas of play as he lurks around the breakdown, picking his moments to strike and consistently sealing any gaps around the tackle area. An uncanny ability to stay on his feet – or get back to them quickly – means he often makes an impact on consecutive phases and can get through plenty of work across an 80 minute shift.

 

On the other side of the ball, both Coventry and Ieremia identified Papali’i’s improvement with ball in hand as a major factor in his development.

 

Against North Harbour Papali’i was involved heavily as a link man, running an excellent support line to set up captain TJ Faiane’s first try, and was able to free up the ball on several occasions to put teammates into space.

 

 

 

While his opportunities as a runner have been limited, he still notches an impressive 13 metres per carry and has made a line break on 28% of his runs. 42% of his carries have ended with an offload as Papali’i strives to keep the ball alive and create opportunities.

 

The diverse skillset possessed by the youngster has created opportunity after opportunity, and now his greatest one yet has reared its head with his inclusion in the All Blacks squad.

 

Helped in part by the unavailability of Sam Cane and Shannon Frizell, Papali’i will seize this opportunity with the same tenacity and energy he displays on the pitch week in and week out. If he defends the jersey anything close to how he defends for Auckland, he’ll find himself in good stead.

 

It remains to be seen just how much Papali’i will feature during the November internationals, but you can bet it won’t be the last time he wears black. That won’t be for a long time.

 

By Sam Warlow, RugbyPass


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Oct 2018, 22:08
#24
15 Oct 2018, 22:08#24
Great pic HasBeen.....so true!
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
15 Oct 2018, 23:04
#25
15 Oct 2018, 23:04#25

Yup that is a funny pic,is it based on the boks once every 4 years win record vs the mighty ABs ?

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2018, 23:31
#26
15 Oct 2018, 23:31#26
Clearly that bloke with the Springbok head has not spared the steroids but he forgot to inject his puny legs.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
17 Oct 2018, 15:41
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17 Oct 2018, 15:41#27

He ran outta rands for the good stuff JW .Isnt a springbok just unprocessed biltong ?

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