ABABasquefan
Pro2,549 posts
08 Jun 2016, 21:08#2
well, the expected 23,....... the only not foreseen inclusion could be that of Nathan Harris over Taylor,.....
I just would like to see A. Savea and Dagg starting one of the series' games,.....
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Jun 2016, 21:15#3
Good to see Ardie Savea will get a shot from the bench, Tamanivala had a fast rise to the ABs (only his second Super rugby season).
Man the caps count looks low when you think about the team that played the RWC. Glad players are getting their chance.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Jun 2016, 21:21#4
No surprises, with only Moody, Harris and Tamanivalu not being sure picks, but who's the alternatives? Good team, but not nearly as experienced as teams of the last 8 odd years. Rebuilding like the Bokke, but from a much stronger foundation. Good luck.
ABABasquefan
Pro2,549 posts
08 Jun 2016, 21:53#5
also would like to see Ngatai starting,....... but it depends on his recovery from the concussion,...... doesn't look any good when the recovery begins to delay,....... Broadhurst, e.g., couldn't play any game this season,......
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2016, 21:57#6
Incredible to see a player of Dagg's class not able to crack the team, even off the bench. What a luxury. And from the little I saw of him Ardie Savea is another terrific AB in the making....chasing down Jordaan from behind is impressive for a flank, so many players wouldn't have even taken on that assignment.
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Jun 2016, 22:04#7
ABF, yes Ngatai must have a bad concussion - good to see they are resting him.
Glad Tuipulotu is back in the ABs after double his hip operation. TJ will get another chance to prove himself as TKB is still out with an injury.
Yes, Mozart, Dagg has a hard time breaking into the 23 but he will get a shot in this test series I would think, even if it's coming off the bench. It's good to see him playing so well in s18, he's got his mojo back.
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Jun 2016, 22:06#8
Off course wee Beeno is too gob smacked to even react, no surprise there.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Jun 2016, 22:14#9
Beenz would've been quite vocal if Carol Jane was in the team.
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Jun 2016, 22:21#10
Beeno will have to find another AB player to focus on.
Glad our tight 5 is unassailable
Of course our loose forwards are trying to show the wee Lions how to play the positions with mixed success I might add. We won't mention the wee stormers that would be too provocative.
09 Jun 2016, 02:06#11
I would have put Dagg in there somewhere but WTF I'm not the coach eh ? In Hansen we trust .
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Jun 2016, 07:33#12
No carol Jane and the stylish beau!! But you still have wee crude and ben smth.It looks to me a side that will need help from their ref in pocket types.
Heck what wouldnt I give to see a Bok merit side with a merit selected coach whipping this haspless lot!
Thankfully ou warped DUD is not the coach as things would only be worse for the poor wee abs! See JW I often have the best interests of the hapless wee abs at heart!
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Jun 2016, 07:34#13
No carol Jane and the stylish beau!! But you still have wee crude and ben smth.It looks to me a side that will need help from their ref in pocket types.
Heck what wouldnt I give to see a Bok merit side with a merit selected coach whipping this haspless lot!
Thankfully ou warped DUD is not the coach as things would only be worse for the poor wee abs! See JW I often have the best interests of the hapless wee abs at heart!
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Jun 2016, 07:43#14
Well Beeno, AB fans will support their team come hell or high water as the expression goes.
This new Boks team (once announced) will have a chance to start a new legacy & in spite of the whinging we hear from many of their "supporters" they have some good players & should do ok - one shouldn't be too enthusiastic... but one should try
09 Jun 2016, 07:49#15
No Dagg, no McKenzie, no Ngatai, no Whitelock ... ??
Crotty isn't a test centre ... as average as average can be ...
Both Ardie Savea and Barrett should have started.
Seems to me as though they're regressing. The force of yesterday has made way for this.
We at least have the excuse of enforced quotas hampering us.
Go Wales!!!!!!!
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Jun 2016, 07:59#16
CC, Ardie is 89kgs and while he has fantastic potential he is a light weight so to speak for test rugby. Starting him off the bench is the way to go. His arrival in the last 20 mins will have a great impact as bigger players will be tiring & he has relative strength but mainly skills and speed. He will be a joy to behold.
Whitelock is injured, Grotty does well at test level but is a stop gap solution, Barrett is better off the bench but we will see how Cruden goes. Overall a very good team when you consider we are coming off another RWC championship win & we have SBW and some other real talent out of selection because of the Olympic 7s.
MAMachiavelli
Club Pro323 posts
MAMachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
09 Jun 2016, 08:22#18
No matter who they picked of the top 40 ABs there is no hope in hell of Wales beating them.
Beeno1 - please submit the research and proof of the allegations you make about World Rugby referees. Make acquisitions without base proof is tantamount to slander and could well be frowned upon by the WR body. However, should such proof exist I would gladly send this to them along with a copy of this thread.
It is so that some referees are seemingly incompetent when viewed from the one-eyed perspective, however blatantly being in the "pocket" refers to bribery and/or corruption which needs to be substantiated.
09 Jun 2016, 08:34#19
I see your point, JW.
A stop gap is probably all Crotty will ever be.
He is solid on defence but that's where it ends. Let's face it, he doesn't have much of a step ... sadly lacks pace ... isn't strong enough to generate consistent go forward ... has no kicking game and in comparison to Nonu falls way short.
I guess if he's the best you guys have then well ... beggars can't be chooses ...
Sam Kane has had a number of seasons to stamp his authority down as your openside replacement for McCaw and to be quite honest with you, has no consistency ... seems to blow hot and cold.
Ardie may be a little small in comparison but he is deceptive strong in the upper body, reads the game a lot better, has an incredible work rate and as far as I'm concerned should be given as much time on the park as possible. He's a game breaker ... a wonderful talent. You want to keep him on the bench so that he can dazzle us in the last 20 ... I'd much rather have him dazzle us for 60 than 20.
Each to his own I guess.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Jun 2016, 08:46#20
Don't rate Crotty at all at 12. Is as average and robotic as they come. The weak link
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 Jun 2016, 09:12#21
Cruden ahead of Barrett? Hope it stays like that when we play them!
I've said before that the ABs have a problem at 2nd 5 now that Ma'a Nonu is overseas and Sunni Bill wants to play at the Olympics, much to the indignation of the Kiwis on this board who were incensed that I didn't rate plodders like Crotty and Ngatai as world beaters.
Having said that, even with Crotty at #12, no Barrett and no Damian McKenzie, that is still a formidable team . . . easily the best side in the world today.
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Jun 2016, 11:16#23
Wales will give us a good run for our money, especially in the first test.
Fortunately the ABs do not rely on one part of the team to win so even if the 12 spot (Crotty) is a weakness - I believe he is holding the spot for SBW but still will do the job - the ABs will find a way to win. There is enough talent across the team.
09 Jun 2016, 11:56#24
Crotty is not a weakness; as steady as they come and has a cool head under pressure.Let's see how he goes first before writing him off....
09 Jun 2016, 12:38#26
Crotty is solid enough as a "gap stopper" ... but by no means is he dynamic, creative or a match winner .
He wouldn't crack my Lions side.
ABABasquefan
Pro2,549 posts
09 Jun 2016, 12:51#27
having Crotty a liability? WTF are you talking about?
Crotty is a very solid player, excellent defender and always taking the right decision in attack. He's not the one who's going to beat many defenders or break the lines many times in every match, like SBW, Feikitoa, DdA last year or M. Tuilagi can do (though he can also do it and in his best games he can match these players best stats) but the AB don't need the 5 backline players to be "world beaters".
They have enough firepower in players like Savea, Naholo, Feikitoa or even B. Smith. In the last years they have always played with, at least, one player who is more an organiser (C. Smith) and they've been the bests and the other teams' reference. They played even with both Crotty and C. Smith and put 51 on the aussies. By the way, if someone wants to watch how a 12 should play, watch what Crotty did in the first half of this game (Auckland, 2014).
very curious that all the saffas here rip into Crotty while singing Mapoe's praises,..... when Crotty is far better player
ABABasquefan
Pro2,549 posts
09 Jun 2016, 13:02#28
JW,
Ardie Savea is 100 kg in both the wikipedia and the canes' site,....... comparing with other opensides:
- Jaco Kriel: 97 kg.
- Sam Cane: 103 kg.
- M. Hooper: 101 kg.
09 Jun 2016, 13:03#29
Well at least you agree that Crotty's nothing special, and that he's just there to make up the number due to a shortage of quality inside centres.
If you had better you would have selected them.
You don't so Crotty will just have to do till SBW decides to chase the mighty dollar once again by changing codes.
Go Wales!!!!!!!!!!
In fact ... GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WALESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jun 2016, 13:07#30
ABF - I did not berate Crotty - I merely mentioned that to my mind Ngatai and Moala are better players than he is. hat does n ot mean he is deficient - it merely means he is an adequate player - but hardly a game-breaker.
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 Jun 2016, 13:10#31
If you open up the illustrated Chambers dictionary and look up the word "average" then you'll see a picture of Ryan Crotty.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Jun 2016, 13:42#33
Mach you are a relative newbie but insist on blundering on like a halfwit.Listen oak firstly I am not complaining about refs globally I really complain ubout crooked down under refs.There have been countless cases raised on this board by my honourable self and other and examples given on just how crooked they are. The panel examing cited players are as bad in the unfair treatment of SA players.I have no intention of attempting any rehash.Its as bad as the rigging of the GOP and Democrat elections. Only landslide wins gave Trump the victory. Most votes ever for a GOP presential candidate - by far.
Mach you need to understand your own severe limitations (I fear we have another JW here - I am being a bit severe on poor Mach - Sorry M ach!)
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Jun 2016, 13:52#34
I see right through ou rooitwitterbug's unseemly praise of the hapless wee abs. Rooitwit is a Welsh supporter (if they win) and hopes to increase the value of any Welsh win or decrease the value of a loss.
I read rooitwit like an open book!
Gooooooooooooo Wales!
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Jun 2016, 14:15#36
Mach, welcome to the board. Brilliant ana*lysis of wee Beeno's contribution on this issue. He provides no evidence to support his delusional conspiracy theories. We usually patiently sympathize & wish him a speedy recovery.
I give him full credit for supporting the Haka though
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jun 2016, 14:17#37
Brycy - the Crotty performance against the Lions was a change from the normal - he was up against one of the weakest defenders in SA by the name of Mnisi and made hay . In all other games of the Crusaders he was bog ordinary.
09 Jun 2016, 16:02#38
Good thing the ABs dont have you saffas selecting for them ,you guys do a bad enough job with your own .Gee that Hansen eh hasnt a clue does he ? Wonder how he will ever be able to crack it for a win here and there one day .You saffas seem to be overly concerned about our boys ,some of you seem to think this team wouldnt hack it with your new team eh ? Hmm time will tell I guess .Jamming new caps in first up is not always the smartest thing to do at times now is it ? Our coaches like to bring them on at their own pace and it seems to work OK for us .Think I will trust Hansen and company.
09 Jun 2016, 16:34#39
You really should take evening classes to learn how to speak the language properly.
It may even improve your child like attempts at writing.
I guess that's what you get when your only education was taught by some backwater hick out in the bush somewhere.
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Jun 2016, 18:33#40
Crotty rises to the standard of the Black jersey when he plays as documented above by Brycy & others. The Boks should be so lucky as to have a Crotty in their team.
CC, always a sign of a weak argument when someone switches the subject to "how to speak the language". If I recall correctly Mozart gave you a few lessons on the meaning of "pun" & highlighted your incorrect use of your and you're. Still, sticking to rugby is a better idea.
