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All Blacks Team for NH Tour

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 Oct 2013, 05:01
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20 Oct 2013, 05:01#1

Forwards: Dane Coles, Andrew Hore, Keven Mealamu, Wyatt Crockett, Charlie Faumuina, Owen Franks, Ben Franks, Joe Moody, Tony Woodcock, Brodie Retallick, Jeremy Thrush, Dominic Bird, Luke Romano, Sam Whitelock, Sam Cane, Steven Luatua, Richie McCaw (captain), Liam Messam, Kieran Read, Luke Whitelock

Backs: Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Aaron Smith, TJ Perenara, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Cruden, Dan Carter, Tom Taylor, Ma'a Nonu, Ryan Crotty, Francis Saili, Israel Dagg, Frank Halai, Cory Jane, Charles Piutau, Julian Savea, Ben Smith.

Hope Frank Halai proves me wrong and TJ Perenara get some game time - whoooohooooooo.

Also hope some questions are answered about regeneration in the centres . I feel like dusting the cobwebs from my boots and calling Hansen.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Oct 2013, 05:17
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20 Oct 2013, 05:17#2
 Four new players in 36, sounds about right.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 Oct 2013, 05:23
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20 Oct 2013, 05:23#3
 Mozie, has your Team been picked? Sorry, too engrossed with the rubber test in Dunedin to worry about your Team  I hear Janties is in your Team?
A banana slip in Dunedin would have been unbearable just before the NH tours - the last thing we want is for the rabbid Wobblies fans back slapping themselves and carrying on before the tour. We will encourage them to do that before RWC 2015, as the more they talk themselves up, the better for us 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Oct 2013, 08:01
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20 Oct 2013, 08:01#4

 Hakwa

 

Mozart does not know when players should be dropped or should be replaced on the basis of under-performance.   Numbers mean nothing - performances do.

 

The Springbok squad is to be selected sometimes this week.   If Meyer picks players like  Jantjies and De Jongh it would be purely in accordance with SA Government policies on so-called Black Economic Empowerment - with no impact on  test selection or the match day squad.   Hopefully both will not be anywhere near the squad.

 

Now some comments on the AB  squad.   I think that there are some weak spots in the squad and those are -

 

*   the props and hookers - not really top notch and they will suffer in some tests; and

 

*   serious question marks as to the center situation.

 

Nonu is good in attack - but really problematic in defence.   He tends to make illegal tackles more than legal ones.   Ben Smith is no center and whether Halai and Francis Saili is good enough is a major question.   I think that Crotty is a Christmas  player - but tend to think that Tom Taylor may be the real deal in future.   A real mixed bag to be sorted out in future.

 

As to the other players - my friend Sasue has a very high opinion of Dominic Bird - have not seen much of him this year because he was playing second fiddle to Whitelock and Romano and also frequently on he injury list.   Am looking forward to how he shapes up - but I assume he is no going to get any playing time - since Hansen appears to favour Sam Whitelock - the best lock forward in New Zealand - and the very average Romano and Retallick as locks.   What is Thrust doing in that line-up?   He is at best a Super 15 player or maybe ITM is his top level - he is being promoted way past his level of competence.   Would rather play Luatua at lock - he is better than any of Retallick, Romano or Thrust.   

 

  

 

   

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Oct 2013, 08:26
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20 Oct 2013, 08:26#5
some interesting things to note about the All Black squad -

- 9 senior players will skip japan and head staright to france

- after the england test, 5 players from the squad will be sent home to start their off season

- ardie savea will be touring with the All blacks as an apprentice, but will not play in any games

- hansen has stated that the 2014 spXV is the real bench mark for the aspiring new generation of All Blacks hooker

9 senior players skipping japan is old news and it makes sense, we dont need our top dogs to take out the japanese.

the 5 players to start their off season early after the england test tells me that hansen sees the english and french as the real NH threats.
no offense to ireland who are capable of beating the slow Boks and weak wallabies, but their zero wins against the might All Blacks is a pretty good indicator that hansen is not wrong.

ardie savea is the future All Black No7, hence his special treatment from hansen and ardie saveas form has been insane, just watch the ITM semi final between weelington and counties and tell me have u seen anyone do that amount of work, and still be effective??? and hes been doing it all season too.
heard the commentators say hes leading the hit up, tackle break stats, the pilfering stats, is 3rd on most tackles made, 5th on line breaks.
he is the without perr as the fastest looseforward in the world but still gets through all the tight stuff a like a good loosie.
hes going to revolutionise the way the openside flanker is being played, the same way that McCaw has done over the last decade.

the saying u have no where to go but down when ur up dosent apply to the All blacks, cos were on top of the rugby world and looking up at the sky ready to spread our wings, its time for the All Blacks to put mother nature on the losers side and prove her wrong too, cos were about to show her that kiwis can fly,

GO THE MIGHTY MIGHTY ALL BLACKS!!!
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Oct 2013, 08:29
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20 Oct 2013, 08:29#6
@cloudzter,

agree, ben afeakis exclusion is stupid, hes the best tighthead after franks easy IMO.

got no problems with bundee missing out, but i think ben smith and crotty need to be given more All Black game time.
a little iffy about francis saili, can never shake that stormers blues game when JDV took him to school for a right royal rugby lesson.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
20 Oct 2013, 10:15
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20 Oct 2013, 10:15#7

 Sasu.. no suprises from dopey one eyed Cantab Hansen picking 3 more Cantabs - told you he wants to be the Mayor of Christchurch..... note when the ABs had injury concerns recently he called for backups from the Chiefs - now he does'nt want to know them.

 

Fancy the Crusties giving up Robbie Freaun - what a dumbarse Blackadder is for dropping one of their best players. Bit like JK dropping Anscombe last year.

 Awesome for us though.... Sweet az.

Amazing depth the Chiefs will have in their backs now in 2014 with the latest recruits...tooooo much.

 

 Freuan could be the centre the ABs are looking for after we showcase his talents at the Chiefs.

Everyones saying Ben Smith was the invisible man at centre yesterday and looked out of place. He's too small for a centre as well.

 Conrad Smiths absence has left a gaping hole in the ABs backline don't you think ?

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 Oct 2013, 10:16
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20 Oct 2013, 10:16#8
 Sasu, Ardie is ok but his small Brusow-like frame worries me! What about the Auckland Number 7? and tough as nails Latimer?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Oct 2013, 10:20
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20 Oct 2013, 10:20#9
Hakwa: IMO AB coaches will have Ardie on a big boy Bok diet. They will ensure he is in the gym developing his frame for sure. Great that they spot these guys early and develop them well in advance.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 Oct 2013, 10:25
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20 Oct 2013, 10:25#10
 I must say JW, they have certainly picked players that I wouldn't have picked and their choices have played EXTREMELY well . Maybe their analysis is more in depth than mine - maybe I should be paid more 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Oct 2013, 12:55
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20 Oct 2013, 12:55#11
 I am sure we would do a good job if given the position Hakwa
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Oct 2013, 13:46
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20 Oct 2013, 13:46#12
@brycy,

i dont mind joe moody as a player, but i would much rather have afeaki, in fact i would much rather have afeaki and moody and drop faumina instead, not a big fan of faumuinas work around the park.

dominic bird inclusion is a must IMO, based on spXV form alone he was a real standout and thats not easy to do when u play most of the time from the bench.

i still dont see all the hype around luke whitelock, but then again i didnt see what was so special about cane who had really developed into a class loosie.
i would have preferred brad shields or victor vito TBH, but luke utility factor of being able to play loose forward or lock is always a nice bonus.

im looking forward to watching fruean progress under rennie and smith, IMO his signing with the chiefs was a very smart career move, cos blackadder IMO is overrated.
i think blackadder proves that u cant just autopilot a team, as the crusaders have been a formidable outfit during his tenure, adn hes won nothing.

i have a feeling the 2014 is going to be a big year for fruean. rennie and smith know how to get the best out of players, and its kind of scary to think what fruean could produce when he becomes the complete player and not the bit player he is at the moment.

also regarding ben smith at 13 for the All Blacks.
it wasnt an ideal start, but the positives outweigh the negatives.
wallabies despite the whitwash we just shoved down their throat are still the wallabies, so ben smiths first center start was solid for the most part, but there were patches of concern, especially the one on one defence lapses.

i hope ben smith starts at 13 against the japanese, an easy beat team is exactly what he needs to help him acclimatise to the position.
i would then start him at 13 against the french and based on his progress there, make a judgment call on wether to play him against the english.

still plenty of room for improvement for ben at 13, but im sure he can do it with the All Blacks coaches helping him every bit of the way.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 Oct 2013, 14:34
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20 Oct 2013, 14:34#13
 Sasu initially I was NOT a Faumuina fan BUT now he is playing extremly well and getting around the pack really well and I am impressed! I would keep him.
Rate Brad Shields highly.
Hope TJ gets quality game time and YES, hope Smith and Renee sort Fruen out - he is ok but needs abit of tough love.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Oct 2013, 16:39
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20 Oct 2013, 16:39#14
His player rating in the Oz test:
 3-Charlie Faumuina- 7.5/10

Best Test to date for the Aucklander. Some dominating tackles in close and eventually had his opposite's number in the scrum.

His size is a good option when we need a bigger pack, e.g. NH.

1.85M, 125KG

and he has shown mobility of late.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Oct 2013, 17:24
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20 Oct 2013, 17:24#15
no real problem wth faumuina, i just think afeaki gets around the park a lot better.

IMO afeaki would have made that tackle on vermeulen in ellis park whcih the Bok No8 took before sending hababna away for a nice try.

not saying that faumuina dosent deserve to be there, i would just much rather have afeaki and moody.

i wouldnt mind seeing one of the many solid tight head props we have give the loosehead a go, our numbers in the looshead is no where near as plentiful.

@hakwa san,

ardies not as fragile brussouw who at 5ft11 is technically a tall hobbit. ardies 6ft 2 and has been playing around 95kgs, so another 5kgs will be go towards his rugby career cause, time for him to dine on those samoan delicacies to help in that department.
but i dont even know if he needs it, hes been killing it for wellington during the ITM and maybe the slimmer and faster version of a openside flanker is the new black???
his numbers defy belief in the ITM, very similar to his debut match against the waratahs.

ardie is one to watch out for and the hurricanes need to start playing him more in 2014, of course that means hammet needs to grow a freaking brain.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Oct 2013, 20:48
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20 Oct 2013, 20:48#16
 This gives us some idea why Francis Saili was selected for the EOYT.
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