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an we still afford the geriatrics in the Springbok team.?

Started by clevermike8 REPLIES236 VIEWS· 08 Nov 2014, 22:43
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Nov 2014, 22:43
#1
08 Nov 2014, 22:43#1

Lte summarize the problems encoutered during the game and see where things went wrong:-


Backline


Other than Willie le Roux - the abckline was clueless and not upp to much attacking-wise. The problems started with Hougaard - he fumbled balls - lost possession and was not a good enough passer - neither an accurate kicker.   


The question is why is our backline so poor when it came to defensive play?   Partly because they ot poor balls and partly there still is a porblem on the wing and the cneter combination does not work well.   Both centers play the same game - as if both are numbr 12 centers.   We cannot have 2 number 12 centrs in the team it does not work out.   


Pietersen lost it completely when Sexton kicked th ball and t he irih scored.   He seems to freeze up and made very little effort to try cand catch the ball.


Hendricks is just not an international wing - we need to up the ante there.


Forwards


Our scrums started out poorly but ended up much better.    However, there is a serious problem with our Tight 5 and the main problem is exemplified by the try scored by the Irish - th ere was no idea about defending against the maul and their was no SA defenders in place where one would have assuumed  thatthe Tight 5 players would be covering the defense.


Our loosies tried there best - but Vermeulen was for him quiet and Coetzee did all the work.   Oupa was there but very average.   


GERIATRICS PROBLEMS


Now lets look at the geriatrics:-


Habana


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Ws not really of any value.   Lost ball possession twice and the only tackle that came his way he missed.   If he cannot do better - then he must relly be a case where careful study is needed.   He cannot onitnue to play on reputation.

 

Jean de Villiers


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Still effectve at insoide center - but he showed nothing but crashballing and that is just not good enough.


Looking at Serfontein - one has to wonder whether he should play at 13.  In that position it is more difficult to pprotect the ball in tackle situations and as stated earlier 

The result was ttwo penalties being given against him hanging onto the ball.


I have a suspision he would be better at inside center than de Viliers is and that is an issue that needs further consideration.   


Victor Matfield


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This guy must be enjoying his holiday in Europe tremendously.   No Ball carries - only 5 tackles made, but took the line-outs when balls were thrown to him.   He gave away a penalty when tackled back by the opposition.   This guy is the one polayer in the Tight  5 whoo is totally ineffective in Tight 5 play.   In driving mauls he gets dislodgfed and pushed to the side - whether those are in opposition mauls or our own.   Not strong enough for the present game.  


Jannie du Plessis    


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He started out badly in scrumming and the first scrum he was on the retreat and the second scrum he collapsd giving away a penalty virtually in frot of the goal posts.

He thereafter did improve and for the rest the scrums were effctive.   


However, the remainder of the game was below par and that remains the main problem with him.


Incidentally much was said before the game about Coenie's scrumming - but even with a carde player the scrums were solid enough when Jannie and Best was replaced.


Bakkies Botha


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Bakkies came on ta minute 54 and what he did amounts to bugger-all.   Two tackles made and two missed  - two ball carries with zero meters made - and one line out take.   Might as well not have been on the field - he ois a perrenial low work rate player.


Schalk Burger


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Burger came on at minute 46 and had 34 minutes of playing time.   Did the bsolute minimum in those 34 minutes.  His most notable achieve,ents wer losing a ball in tackle situation and being penalized once.   


IN ESSENCE NONE OF THE ABOVE PLAYERS HOWED ANYTHING INDICATING THAT THEY ARE THE EBST IN THEIR POSITIONS AND THEY ARE EMINENTLY REPLACEABLE.   THE SOOONER THEY GO THE TBETTER IT WOUD BE FOR SPRIGBOK  RUGBY






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The_TruthClub Pro471 posts
08 Nov 2014, 22:52
#2
08 Nov 2014, 22:52#2
 Let's compare

C Serfontein 0/0 0 0/2/7 19 1 4 1 2 5/1 0/0 2 0/0 C de Villiers 0/0 0 0/2/7 37 1 1 0 0 4/1 0/0 0 0/0

L Etzebeth 0/0 0 0/0/7 8 0 1 1 1 2/0 1/2 0 0/0 L Matfield 0/0 0 0/0/6 1 0 0 1 0 5/0 9/0 1 0/0
Poof! And there goes your theory....

Try a new one!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Nov 2014, 23:04
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08 Nov 2014, 23:04#3
 It is npot a theoory - it is a fact.   We have two inside centers playing the same game and balls gets wasted in the midfield.   And  Serfontein was stronger  than De Villiers in ball carries - beating more defenders thn De Villierss did.
If Matfield calls line outs to himself and not Etzebeth - then he obviously woill look better in line out takes.  Ezebeth took two line outs on Irisih throw in and that was impressive.   The Irish later on did not make throw-ins to the front of the line-outs.   Mtfield won his line-outs - but for the rest was poor and not at all acceptable.   
  
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,293 posts
08 Nov 2014, 23:05
#4
08 Nov 2014, 23:05#4
Most of the players will have bad stats. 
The only players that played reasonabally were Vermuelen, Pollard, Leroux
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
08 Nov 2014, 23:20
#5
08 Nov 2014, 23:20#5
Not sure about Le Roux. Apart from the break after fielding a kick, pretty much none of what he tried came off. He kept drifting across field running the outside players out of space, then throwing a desperate nothing pass. Also blew a 2 on 1 overlap outside him by holding on too long, allowing an Irish player to get a hand in the way of the pass. His whole game is off compared to the start of the season, where he threw passes with pinpoint precision and timing to put guys over the tryline.
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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
08 Nov 2014, 23:31
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08 Nov 2014, 23:31#6

Willie is not at all free of blame. In fact, I reckon he largely contributed to the centres and wings achieving very little.

Willie's main problem is that he likes to receive the ball as 2nd receiver, but instead of straightening the line, he drifts massively towards the touchline which then leaves no space for the centre and wing to operate in.

Play him on the wing where he can not create this problem.

In the days of Morne, Willie had space to come in from Morne's offload and straighten the line, but that function is now done by Pollard who likes to attack the advantage line.

  

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
09 Nov 2014, 00:09
#7
09 Nov 2014, 00:09#7
 Can't argue with what you've said Blikkies, we need Serfontein to play at 12 as he's more creative than De Villiers.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2014, 03:26
#8
09 Nov 2014, 03:26#8
 Blikkies
e Roux0/109/14/137323232/00/000/0
What more do you epect from Le Roux?   He was the one backline player that was effective on attack and made the try of Pietersen.   
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2014, 03:26
#9
09 Nov 2014, 03:26#9
 Blikkies
e Roux0/109/14/137323232/00/000/0
What more do you epect from Le Roux?   He was the one backline player that was effective on attack and made the try of Pietersen.   
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