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And Down Went the Final Nail - Morne

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
15 Sept 2012, 06:30
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15 Sept 2012, 06:30#1

Here we are, yet still disgussing Morne. Still those resistant to reality bleat how every aspect of the Bok's game comes down to this one solitary figure. These very same mislead sheeple are even going so far as to pin everthing on the Bull's gameplan, which Morne apparantly dictates - remember that regarding Smit? A very shallow cop-out indeed. Well, lets have a closer look, further tearing down this ragged myth.

Balls 01-04: http://i50.tinypic.com/351vcw7.jpg
Balls 05-08: http://i47.tinypic.com/200u234.jpg
Balls 09-12: http://i47.tinypic.com/vyv3tl.jpg
Balls 13-16: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ylsdif.jpg
Balls 17-18: http://i50.tinypic.com/1z4z5mt.jpg

It is going to be a tall order to say the least to debunk this, no doubt we will see some colourful interpretations, but this one is case closed. From frame to frame the real issues become much clearer, static support players with little to no structure or purpose whatsoever. It was the very same thing while Goosen was on, in fact worse in at least three balls he played. About the best move Morne was able to make was an inside pass to Frans on Ball 17. To say that Morne kicks everything away is also another lie. Pienaar kicked twice as much ball away, and Morne never kicks any more than a flyhalf ought to, especially given that the Boks are struggling for quick and clean ball. More disturbing is the amount of ball going from Pienaar to the forwards. This little mini-unit is too dominant, there is no communication between Morne and Pienaar, thus no linking going on. suffice to say the Boks need to be doing more off the ball. Just watch the Aussies when they attacked, especially for their first try; Cooper took the ball to the line but he had options right on the gainline - and a sequence of three offloads by the forwards allowed them to setup that play! Morne not once has had this. If the flyhalf is the link, which he is, then what exactly is he supposed to be linking to exactly? Once again, I challenge your perceptions to encourage deeper thought. The rot has been identified in our game, I have done that with undisputed accuracy,  I will take that one step further and call into question Loubscher. He may have done well with the Bulls at age group level, but he looks to be floundering at national level. Of course Meyer has been limited in his options, but he should be keeping an eye out for a replacement as soon as possible. The Cheetah's backline coach would be a fabulous target. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Sept 2012, 08:59
#2
15 Sept 2012, 08:59#2

The Cat

Tried to get into the information provided by you - but got messages that the website could not be found.  

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
15 Sept 2012, 10:44
#3
15 Sept 2012, 10:44#3

Strange, I have no problems. I tested them all before posting, and I still get them now.  

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Sept 2012, 11:10
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15 Sept 2012, 11:10#4

Thanks, works fine .

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
15 Sept 2012, 13:20
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15 Sept 2012, 13:20#5

Interesting that everyone has scattered from this thread. Too close to home perhaps? 

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
15 Sept 2012, 13:59
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15 Sept 2012, 13:59#6

I see you all are still insulting me, yet despite your great insights cannot fathom to debunk this thread. Could be you are all cowards? Could it be you are all wrong? still so much about how Morne is not igniting our backline, yet with these images of every piece of ball Morne had to play, you still cannot add any substance to your tripe. Game, set and match. Endut. 

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
15 Sept 2012, 14:43
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15 Sept 2012, 14:43#7

Probably more to do with the saying about arguing with idiots n'all that...

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
15 Sept 2012, 14:47
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15 Sept 2012, 14:47#8

Rubbish, they opened fire first, all I am doing is closing the case. They are caught with their pants down for their troubles.  

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
15 Sept 2012, 15:19
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15 Sept 2012, 15:19#9

LOL! Still all is quiet here. Could it be that they'll now use Greyling and Kirchner as cover to avoid this topic? Another means of attacking the Bulls without having to deal with their clanger on Morne? Probably so I guess.  

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
15 Sept 2012, 15:36
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15 Sept 2012, 15:36#10

 Morne Steyn is so shit he can't even implement the Bools game plan with any skill...the end of the Morne Steyn era, everyone will remember the 2009 season, enjoy your international retirement.

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
15 Sept 2012, 23:40
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15 Sept 2012, 23:40#11

Poi-e, what a cop out, but I sense you are a New Zealander, so I expect nothing less. No please kindly scan those images and prove your point. I know you can't, but I would at least have some respect for an attempt rather than typical empty and foolish bleatings.  

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
15 Sept 2012, 23:56
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15 Sept 2012, 23:56#12

 Planet rugby probebly sum it up best...

 

10 Morne Steyn: Another dull performance from the under-fire pivot. His goal-kicking and tactical kicking woes continued. Missed a few regulation shots at the sticks, and a conversion from far out. No pretensions as a play-maker. 3/10

 

but everyone else is wrong right Card?   I sense you'll deep dive soon.

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
16 Sept 2012, 00:35
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16 Sept 2012, 00:35#13

I am soaring. Now this is rather simple, or at least it could be, if you could fathom some honesty. Scan the images and tell me how Morne alone is to blame for the Boks backline problems. It's right here, now please comply or concede defeat.  

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
16 Sept 2012, 00:49
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16 Sept 2012, 00:49#14

 No, I'm merely enjoying watching you defend the indefensible....hope he enjoys his retirement.

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
16 Sept 2012, 00:55
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16 Sept 2012, 00:55#15

You are merely trying to sidestep the topic because you cannot defend your stance. The evidence is right here before you, but you won't dare tackle it because you know you are wrong. Therefore you are defeated. You won't even try. So much for facts on your behalf, lol! A coward you are.  

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
16 Sept 2012, 00:59
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16 Sept 2012, 00:59#16

 No you're merely trying to shift the fault for Morne's shit house form onto others, the last act of a desperate man.

 

Rugby 365

10 Morne Steyn
A dreadful display by a player clearly lacking confidence and form.
2/10

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
16 Sept 2012, 01:05
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16 Sept 2012, 01:05#17

Laughably poor stuff Poi-e; dealing with the wrong game too, not that anything changed today. Now, if I am so wrong, then look at the images and point it out. It's all there. You can quote from any source you want. It cannot be more truthful than seeing the actual screenshot of what Morne was doing and who was around him. I can see you do not know anything about backplay. You keep spouting a cheat cop out, now deal with the images. Enough with your swatting at thin air. 

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
16 Sept 2012, 01:08
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16 Sept 2012, 01:08#18

 I think I'm happy with my position thanks, rather than the dead horse you keep flogging.

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
16 Sept 2012, 01:13
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16 Sept 2012, 01:13#19

I have won, as simple as that. The big mouths have run for cover. And you are embarrassing yourself, but that's good enough. All this needed to do was to expose the liars here. All the evidence here for all to see, and the groupies scattering is all I needed. Case close, finished. Game, set and match. 

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
16 Sept 2012, 01:21
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16 Sept 2012, 01:21#20

 I really hope you're right 'Tard and Morne's kept on, I really do - such is the pleasure I derive from watching the masterclass in f**k ups engineered by Morne Steyn when he takes the field.  then watching you claim it's not his fault.  Priceless.

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
16 Sept 2012, 01:24
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16 Sept 2012, 01:24#21

 Sport 24's rating of Morne...

 

Morne Steyn 4

Coach Meyer’s loyalty to the increasingly out-of-sorts Bulls man just gets more and more inexplicable. If he can’t even kick his goals, what else is he really offering? He’s got to go ... but will he?

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
16 Sept 2012, 01:27
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16 Sept 2012, 01:27#22

 And another....

 

10 Morne Steyn
A dreadful display by a player clearly lacking confidence and form.
2/10 [4]

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
16 Sept 2012, 02:10
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16 Sept 2012, 02:10#23

Very poor. 18 balls played by Morne, everything he played against Australia. We have had imbeciles, such as yourself, bleat that he failed to get the backline going, that Morne lost it all on his own. Well, it's all there, 18 of them in total, pick one and prove your point. You have done no such thing, in fact, your back peddling equates to nothing more than a white flag. As stated, game, set, match.  

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
16 Sept 2012, 02:25
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16 Sept 2012, 02:25#24

He missed how many kicks?  Yep he cost you the game?

 

Maybe you could find an article praising his performance if he played so well, probably wouldn't be hard would it?  Like I said, I really enjoyed his contributions to the game, long may he start for the Boks.

 

Your committment to a lost cause is admirable, galactically stupid noentheless.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Sept 2012, 12:28
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16 Sept 2012, 12:28#25

The Cat

I did not run away and not answer your post - for some or other reason i could not open the photos provided by you - probably because I miss some a computer program that allows me access to the photos.

I have a seriou problem though.  Individual screen shots can never be a true reflection of the performance of a player - they can at best be an indication of what he did - without indicating the successful effects of what has been done.

However, since I cannot get access to the photos concerned I did not respond to your posting.

Be it as it may - I am not surprised that New Zealanders would love to have Morne Steyn in the team - he was abysmal yesterday and his continued presence in the team can only be of benefit to them

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Sept 2012, 12:28
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16 Sept 2012, 12:28#26

The Cat

I did not run away and not answer your post - for some or other reason i could not open the photos provided by you - probably because I miss some a computer program that allows me access to the photos.

I have a seriou problem though.  Individual screen shots can never be a true reflection of the performance of a player - they can at best be an indication of what he did - without indicating the successful effects of what has been done.

However, since I cannot get access to the photos concerned I did not respond to your posting.

Be it as it may - I am not surprised that New Zealanders would love to have Morne Steyn in the team - he was abysmal yesterday and his continued presence in the team can only be of benefit to them

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
16 Sept 2012, 13:38
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16 Sept 2012, 13:38#27

 That's where you are wrong. We can tell many things from these photos. The most important of which are the players around Morne, we can get quite a solid glimpse into how the backline is functioning as a whole. As I say, if the flyhalf is the link, then what is he to be linking to/with? That is the question no Bok fan ever asks. Just blame it all on Morne. Well, from these pictures we can see quite clearly the very poor play by the Boks to present any kind of threat outside of 10. One off runners are the order of the day, no speed or angling on the runs, nobody supports that one runner except to dive into the resultant ruck. There isn't a shred of deceptin in our play, well, the closest being Frans cutting in behind Morne to take it to the seam and again cutting against the grain to present Goosen with options on his crabbing run. Now how can this all be the fault of Morne? Yes, I was lambasted quite viciously for even suggesting that the rot goes deeper, afterall, why could Goosen do no better? I kept referring to the poor play of the entire backline to create any kind of real attack, but no, it had to be the evil Bull. Well, it all comes crashing down now. Morne does not write the playbook, nor does he coach the backs. He can take it flat, deep, it makes difference. He can look around all he wants, there is nothing to work with. And I do believe I have Eddie Jones in my corner to boot. But what does he know, hey? And this the reason why I state changing Morne will make very little difference. It's too easy to blame one player, it's more perceptive to look a little deeper. Our flyhalves are not always to blame. 

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lunaticClub Pro305 posts
16 Sept 2012, 14:28
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16 Sept 2012, 14:28#28

Eish! on and on and on we go like a street preacher with no message...

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
16 Sept 2012, 15:23
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16 Sept 2012, 15:23#29

Lunatic, I heard enough over the last two years with you lot bleating on and on about Morne... every game. It never ends. So please stop embarrassing yourself with that card. And anyway, I was supposedly so stupid, so incredibly wrong. Well, I'm not going to let this one go. You ran your big mouths off, now it's time to see if there is any substance whatsoever your endless bleatings. The message is loud and clear, your just too comfy with your tail between your legs. Now as stated before, endut. Live with it.  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Sept 2012, 16:18
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16 Sept 2012, 16:18#30

The Cat

So everyoine - but Morne - is to blame for a disfuinctional backline according to you.   How come yesterday there was an improvement in play of the backline after Morne was gone?   Don't argue - there was a real improvement in the play of Francois Steyn after Goosen replaced Morne.  

You can argue as much as you like and try and find excuses.   In the Aussie test the blame was the forwards - what was it yesterday when Morne had a disastrous game?   Surely not Francois Steyn to whom Morne made a few hospital passes way behind the game line.

I still insist that photos in itself cannot be used as a guide for relaible evaluation of player performances.   It was whatever happened after the photos that determines whether wat Morne did was effective or not.

 

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
17 Sept 2012, 00:42
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17 Sept 2012, 00:42#31

Allow me to educate you on backplay Mike, I read and lauh as you strain your vocabulary and scant rugby knowledge and your song sheet of lies. First and foremost, I never said Morne is NOT to blame for anything and everyone else is, please, seriously, if you don't have reading comprehension, then do not participate at all.  I specifically stated that the ENTIRE backline is not well run. I have made that so abundantly clear it truly beggars belief that you come up with that nonsense. Areas of our backplay that are not good enough:

- There is no apparant pattern to attack, nobody looks like they know what they are supposed to be doing. Most of our best attacking play has come from Frans improvising. It just isn't going to cut it.

 - Our attack is far too lateral, but that is a disease in South African rugby, and with it far too narrow, which allows the defence to plug gaps very easily. And when they aren't too narrow, they are scattered all over the place, I saw Strauss twice where the 12 should be last week. You also need to create depth to your attack via triangular running, paticularly if you are going to try and build in roads in the inner channels which is now what modern rugby is all about with the 12s being the focal point. Realign your backs so that your ball carriers have options to offload, or you have a support player that can be put into space, and for the love of God, communicate! One thing Jones had us do against Nambibia was use a formation where we had the back three add a second layer behind the midfield. You can also stack your midfield. It adds depth. The All Blacks use their forwards nearly 40% more in general play, linking with the backs and creating that depth. For the Boks this would compliment our heavy hitters. 

- The running lines and support play are virtually non-existant. Watch the Wallabies of old from structured play using blocker lines to pull defenders out of position. Every player that is not the strike is part of the deception. look at the photos I posted, who is adding deception? The players aren't even coming onto the ball at pace! No angling, no thought to attack the shoulder of the defender. Is this starting to add up yet?

There is so much that is not happening, and it's not happening because our backline is being coached in typical backward Saffer fashion. Pass along a line if you don't just smash it up through the forwards .It's a disgrace how often our players do not even draw and pass. So no, it's not down to Morne, and no, Goosen changed nothing. The only thing that has ever changed when Goosen has come on is the desperation and intensity, but the very same manner of breaking down the defence prevails to the very bitter end. In conclusion? The anti-Morne brigade were wrong. They were wrong in more ways than they could even understand. But that's the Saffer way, screw detail and accuracy, just blame the one guy you don't like. If the entire backline doesn't function? Yep, that has to be because of ONE player. It makes sense *rolls eyes*

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Sept 2012, 00:53
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17 Sept 2012, 00:53#32

Take your pill now....there's a nice laddie.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Sept 2012, 02:36
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17 Sept 2012, 02:36#33

The Cat

What you said about backline play is 100% correct - but your statement as to Morne's situation is the first time ever that Morne is part of the greater problem.   Yes - running lines and combination with forewards is a requirement and I have said that our attacking play in the backline is seriously flawed - exactly for the reasons now enumerated by you.  

So no comprehension lecture is required.   I said from the word go that there is a lack of skills development of the backline players - which allowed for all the things that you now enumerated.   In this regard I said that we do not have a decent backline coach - who can deal with the issues now listed by you.   I even added the issue of off-loads in tackle situations.

For that reason I clearly stated that the whole backline was subject to criticism and I sibngled out cirtually all the players accept th wings in the relevant regard.

There are link players in that regard that is really the key to backline attacking play and that is the scrummie - as distributor of the ball and the flyhalf - the backline pivot.    The main function of the scrummie is to read the game instinctively and distribute the ball fast and effectively - but n even more important function is that of the flyhalf - who should get the ball on the run and not standing still and then wait or hesitatee as to what to do.

Both should have ball sense and sum up situations quickly - and from there let the game flow.   All sounds very, very nice bar the implementation of the process as outlined.     It was amazement that I now read you say that Morne is partly to blame for the deficiency - I always thought that you said everyone - but Morne - is to blame for the provlem.

There are or were two players involved at present as scrummie and flyhalf - and those are Hougaard and Morne.   I have stated clearly that Hougaard is not a natural scrummie.   His serice to the backline is slow as a result of his tendency to run a few steps before passing.   That enables the defending players to get to or cut off the flyhalf behind the gain line and is not acceptable.    Iy is necessary for the scrummie to at times also kick the ball - but Hougaard's kciking game is very problematic - in earlier tests he played in too many of his kicks were charged down - too far to be effective - or in the case of relieving kicks within the 22 not out.   That is a problem Meyer has already identified - hence the move to play him on the wing.   Pienaar is by no means perfect - he is also slow in delivery to forwards tow whom he passes too many balls to forwards in the believe that they would link up with the backline and hence launch attacks.   In the main our forwards then crashball and the result is another loose maul.   I think that their is need for skills development here too- because although the theory is sound - the implementation not so.   owever is passing to the backline is faster and more effecicient than Hougaard's,   However, I believe that Pienaar is playing according to instruction - which may impact on his ability to be really an effective scrummie.

When it comes to the flyhalf as a pivot - there is a major problem here.   Morne is hessitant as tow hat he should do - witness one of the early balls he got yesterday.    He was standing far back and received the ball from Pienaar and was apaprently thinking of a drop kcik at goal - but there were Springboks in front of him and the defenders caught him way behind the gain line.   He also as a rule delay the passing of the ball to the inside center or to kick and where to kick - with  result that his passing to backline players are too slow  to be effective.   It is also for that reason that his strategic kicking is often prollematic - since the kicks are often too far ro allow for proper follow-up and allows the opposition players timne to consider their options - since they are not under pressure.   Those aspects have been highlighyed by many observers and givn as a reason for the failure of the backline as a whole to function effeciently in attacking play.    Although there has always been a problem in the relevant regard - ie effective backline play - he had one ability that was of great value - and that was his kicking goals - either by drop goals. penalty goals of conversion of tries.   There has been a major problem withthe latter aspect of his game this year in tests.   He had one good game in the relevant regard and that was the test in Cape Town.    Against the POMS he converted 56% of his kicks at goal, against the Argentinians and the Aussies it dropped to below 50% and yesterday it was 20%.   That is not at all acceptable.

On the whole Goosen - whom you said would not improve backline play - has the ability to pass quciker givng better opportunities for the players outside of him.   Whist not yet in eviddence in the tests - on Super 145 level he has often used skip passes and inside passes to players runnig at angles - which adds value to attacking backline play of the Cheetahs whose backline play you apparently admire..   However, in total Goosen only played less than 40 minutes rugby on test level - so those aspects of his natural game would also develop with more experience on test level.   That is the huge difference between Morne and him - and that is why peope often say Goosen should be selected at flyhalf. . 

I do not think that Morne is a poor flyhalf - but I also think that he is not a flyhalf that can really implement what you said attacking backline play should be  or at least he bever effectively showed that he can in thre years of test rugby.       .   

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
17 Sept 2012, 09:01
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17 Sept 2012, 09:01#34

There is so much you are not taking into consideration here and your shot yourself in the foot regarding Goosen and the Cheetahs. Firstly, if Morne cannot play an attacking game, then why have we seen it from him many, many times at the Bulls? Do you so easily forget his lethal attacking combination with Olivier in 2010? Morne was the kingpin of that backline, particularly as Du Preez was struggling for fitness and thusly form. And it stands as the joint best attacking performance by any Super rugby side, ever!

What I said about attacking backplay requires ALL the sub-units to be perfectly conflated. It requires great coordination to combine so many players, which requires planning, and structures to be put in place. One of the biggest reasons why New Zealand happen to find this so natural is because it's ingrained into them from a young age, and look at the role of touch rugby in development that sense for running lines and support play. So no, Morne is perfectly capable of delivering in an attacking side. That has been proven far too often, far, far too often. And before you could ever disagree you would have to explain away years of rugby.  Now onto Goosen, in case you hadn't noticed the entire backline has been immense on attack. one of the great fallacys of today is this completely ignorant perception that Goosen is somehow running everything on his own, that it all comes down to him. More than anything, ANYTHING, is the fact that the Cheetahs backline are being coached in a very unique way for a South African side. It comes exclusively down to the backline coach, not the players. 

Every single point you made only serves to support my argument. Yes, sometimes the kicks are too long for the chasers, or rather, more often there are no chaser! All of these things reflect a lack of understanding between the players. As previously stated, they do not know what they should be doing. It's quite clear that Loubscher is doing an incredibly poor job.

 And the central topic of this thread, did Morne alone hold back te Boks backplay against Australia? The answer is an emphatic no. It is incredibly clear that he is not to blame whatsoever. It perfectly puts into place the real culprit, Loubscher. And with that, ever critic here and all of their venomous attacks are rendered complete stupidity. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Sept 2012, 09:29
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17 Sept 2012, 09:29#35

The Cat

You sidelined my arguments completely - 2010 was 2010 - and I was talking and writing about the stiuation in 2012.   There is one thing that you said that I agree with - in 2010 the Bulls had by far the best forward players in the Super 13 series - and every backline player could look good if the forwards are there to ensure that the opposition forwards are drawn in and not there to play a major role in defence.   That would allow for a relatively weak link player to perform better - which was not really the case in 2010 insofar as the Springboks were concerned and Morne's display in the latter case was very average.   It is definitely not the case in 2012.

Morne himself said that he was a running fklyhalf when he went to play for the Bulls - but that tendency wa knocked out of him by the Bulls coaching staff in accordance with their game plan and he was turned intoi the player he is today.   He is at present totally disorientated and consequently not sure what he hs to do.   That is why he is slow and hesitant  in reaction - both insofar as his kicking and passing game is concerned.   The result is evident - both the passing and kicking game is flawed and a major contribution to failed backline play.

He was particularly weak in the third test against the POMS, in the Mendoza test, the test against the Wallabies in Brisbane and even more so on Saturday.    I gained the impression that he does not react well to pressure placed on him - hence the failures in the tests mentioned. 

Yes Loubscher is a square peg in a round whole and he has to be replaced - but he is not seen as the critical factor by the public - the person they see as failing is Morne Steyn.    That is why he has lost the support of 95% of the SA rugby supporting public - and they have real reasons for that.   There is no way that he is not partly to be blamed for the shortcomings in backline play - the flyhalf remains the key pivot and he is failing as a pivot.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Sept 2012, 10:53
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17 Sept 2012, 10:53#36

Excellent comments by Mike and Card.

I agree entirely with the viewpoint exprssed by Card that Morne is not the sole reason or even the chief reason for a sub performing Bok backline. As Mallet said Carter would have struggeled in the Bok set up. Excellent analysis Card.  I do not think you and Mike are so far apart on the issue actually.

There are many factors here to consider that Card, Mike and others have listed the. Loubscher is a problem and one wonders what will happen in that regard, The Boks should have the best backling coach available not a Vodacom Cup coach of limited experienece!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why was he chosen?

The best backline coach in South africa has to be the Cheethas guy - as you said I think Card. But we should have scoured the world perhaps.

However the point re Morne is this. In Goosen we appear to have a mega talent. Morne is simply not as good. Morne's goal kicking has gone to pot. He should take a break from rugby for the rest of the year

Goosen appears ready for a start.

Those criticising Jean are getting it wrong.Our problems are at scrummie, flyhalf and 15  apart from technical issues.

I await with interest Meyers next squad selection. Things are really looking up - or down if you are a kiwi!

CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
17 Sept 2012, 11:24
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17 Sept 2012, 11:24#37

coaching a backline is a dark art either you have it or you dont. in the past games the backline has received some really slow poor ball from the forwards that being said the few quick balls they did get the managed to either kick it away or butcher it. the main reason being we dont secure our breakdowns so the speed of the ball being generated is either slow or does not exist. louw has made a big impact but to be fair brussouw is in a different class. brussouw offer a lot more with his skillset is in my view among the best open siders in the world with his short stocky body being a nightmare come beakdown time. lower center of gravity is a weapon when things go to ground. he is strong and a lot more skill full with his sevens background. just up the the open eyed meyer to get of his high horse and understand that rugby has changed and the spesliast openside role is paramount to a attacking winning mindset. louw showed us how usefull it is and he is very much a second stringer if compared to brussouw.

 

its fair to say that the system of generating quick ball for the backline is the realy problem that being said it can be fixed but morne has some major techincal errors of his own and if we changed the speed of how the ball is being recycled with a change in pivot with some better off the ball running options for the backline to us then we will se a different side. franna looked a different player  with goosen next to him.

 

with the champs a dead rubber i would advise the powers to be to rather give brussouw goosen and lambie a go in the current setup. building towards the RWC these players will be our tip of the spear and we can really build a total rugby game plan around them. with brussouw in the team and goosen the likes of alberts and co can run all day long at defences. loubcher needs to go we need a overseas backline coach and laubscher needs to coach primary school

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Sept 2012, 13:34
#38
17 Sept 2012, 13:34#38

Louw is twice the player brussouw is. Lets not give away a competitive advantage we have in the loosies by getting in brussouw. Next ou muncher will want daniel in so we can play some running rugby whilst on the back foot in the forwards. bwahahahahahaha

Fortunately the far wiser Meyer will not be dropping Louw for Brussouw. He is surely delighted at the half fit Louws performance and well done for calling him up even though he is playing overseas.

Thankfully ou  muncher scores a hit at last re the loubscher comment!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Sept 2012, 13:40
#39
17 Sept 2012, 13:40#39

Beeno

Have to agree with you about Brussow - he blows hot and cold.  Because of all the discussions around Brussow - I was watching his performance for the Cheetahs in the game on Saturday.   He was really not tops - I would rate his performance as rather poor in fact.

I do not think that Meyer rates the guy - otherwise he would not have called up Louw from Bath.   I think Louw will remain in the squad for the home leg of the Championship.  In any event Louw had a good game on Saturay and there is really no need to replace him for a person who have question amrks about performances.

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
17 Sept 2012, 13:48
#40
17 Sept 2012, 13:48#40

I have to disagree. Louw was the better of McCaw on Saturday, but overall, neither one comes close to Brussow. In terms of sheer strength, Brussow is not far off Bismarck. Recall how he bounced that British Lion lock off the ground in Pretoria, surely pushing the bounds of physics there! His hands are magnificent, his linking play superb. His speed, acceleration and sense for positioning and efficient movement around the field is a long way ahead every other fetcher in the world. His defence is superb as well, brutal in fact. Overall, the Boks are losing a lot without him. He may not be a lineout option, but he adds more value than any other Bok right now. The way he takes so much pressure off the team is a big plus in the test arena. What Brussow is able to do, legally, that Hooper, McCaw, Pocock or Louw can't is to hault the opposition attack completely on the back foot. He has done that for the Boks and Cheetahs. This year he shutdown a massive multi-phase attack by the Saders whose forwards were ploughing over the gainline for huge chunks in each carry preventing a certain try. We need that. Furthermore, he is incredibly fit and one of the most consistent players in the world, in the Matfield and Larkham mould. 

And Mike, you misquoted Morne. I saw that interview live, he stated that he likes to run when he can - something he has done well recently - but that he had to ADAPT to the kicking game to become more complete. Not one word about losing the knack for anything. 

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