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And the Western Province Player of the Year is . . .

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 14:17
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17 Oct 2018, 14:17#1

. . . Pieter-Steph du Toit!


I can think of at least two forum regulars who will be a bit red-faced at this news after slagging off Pieter-Steph not just this whole season but pretty much his entire career.


Pieter-Steph keeps on making these ignorant and biased little twits look like the clowns they are.


I reckon Pieter-Steph is also a decent bet for Springbok player of the Year when that is announced in February. Moffie and Dim-Sum should get ready for even more egg.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 14:41
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17 Oct 2018, 14:41#2
I can remember a very similar post when Luke Watson, your all time rugby hero won some Super Rugby award.......and we all know how that ended. Stephanie has had a good year.....finally.....but he isn't a test flank. He will have to convince Erasmus that he is our best 5 lock. Time will tell. But really I thought Notshe was your man for Bok flank?
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:01
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17 Oct 2018, 16:01#3

So, Steph being player of the year in 2018 at flank means he really was the best lock in 2015? Interesting perspective. 

As for his play this year? I never attacked him. I did point out a few issues. Do you wish to challenge those points? If so, now is your chance. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:07
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17 Oct 2018, 16:07#4
Dim-Sum, not sure if you missed my previous posting where I described you as someone who is not intelligent enough to understand anything I'd be dumb enough to tell him, but the fact that you're still trying to engage me makes me suspect you either missed it or didn't understand it.
I wouldn't "challenge" anyone who is so stupid that he doesn't understand something as basic and as simple as sarcasm. I'd feel like a bully.
If you'd like to revisit your disgustingly sycophantic and servile comments on the various "Vinny Vunipola" threads and tell the truth instead , "now is your chance"!
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:14
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17 Oct 2018, 16:14#5
Still trying to deny you don't understand the transfer laws? And still dissembling...... afraid to engage Augie in a factual debate....just another non factual assertion. Coward.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:23
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17 Oct 2018, 16:23#6

My disgusting comments? 

It's best you don't challenge me. You'll lose. Continue being the little dog barking from behind a fence.

"I'll engage you with insults, but won't talk rugby when challenged because its a bridge too far for me."

I don't know what makes a worse association with red, yellow or green. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:25
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17 Oct 2018, 16:25#7

Mozart

Any debate with people with closed minds like you and AO is impossible.  You make wild statements against players and when a discussion follows all one get is repetitive rubbish.   

I would not be surprised if Du Toit is  the SA Player of the year for 2018.

Just one question when are you going to give up and stop your childish hate-campaign against  Du Toit?  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:30
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17 Oct 2018, 16:30#8
From Clevermike: Apr 26, 2017, 07:00 Playing Du Toit at loosie is not a good idea - but loosie selection has all been up to maggots anyway. The problem is that loosie selection in SA takes no cognition of pace - so we have no cover for any faster opposition loosies out wide. This is further complicated by the slow loosies being also poor insofar as reading of the game is concerned and they have very little idea about breakdown ball protection and recovery. Problem is that if a 100 meter run for Vermeulen, Louw and Alberts is organized Du Toit would beat Alberts by 30 meters, while beating Louw and Vermeulen by 25 meters distance. At least Du Toit is athletic - which none of the three mentioned loosies are. Seems to me the Coaches has not learnt the basic fact that loosies are loosies and not an extension of the Tight 5. The Stormers should pick up their loosie selection and get it right. Carr was a one series wonder and is no up to standard anymore. The problem for the Springboks can be solved easily, The best loosie combination in the rugby championship would be Coetzee at 8, Labuschagne at 7 and Kriel at 6. Against the slower NH teams the selection could be different. I would still select Vemeulen at 8 - but after his neck injury and his holiday in France he as for his club not 10% of the player he used to be. Also getting on in years and some players loose the plot faster than others. In any event - the Stormers made a fool of themselves by letting Cloete go to the Kings. He and Kriel are by some distance the best two open-side flanks in SA at present.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:31
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17 Oct 2018, 16:31#9
Case closed.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:39
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17 Oct 2018, 16:39#10
Pip 'N Squeal (AKA Thelma and Louise) off another cliff. My only lament was the lack of popcorn. 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:08
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17 Oct 2018, 17:08#11
Sigh . . . Moffie, try to understand something here. I'll try to make it simple and I'll try not  to use any hard words . . .
Your newest little Servile Gimp's responses on the hilarious "Vinny Vunipola" threads tell me that he either doesn't understand sarcasm or else he's so eager to ram his little snout up your fat and wrinkled arse that he'll make a fool of himself anyway. Either way, why would I bother with him? Why would I waste any time on someone who is either terminally stupid or a sickening suck-up?
You may well be asking yourself the question why I'm bothering with you and your strident and sanctimonious responses because you're clearly equally stupid . . . well, that's because I'm prepared to throw you the occasional bone, Moffie, because - believe it or not - I actually have a tiny little bit of pity for you because I happen to know just how much bitterness and unbridled hatred you feel for me after of all the times I've schooled you, humiliated you and exposed you for the pompous and ignorant old twat that you are.
Does that make sense? Are you nodding your head, Moffie? Do you understand?
Good . . . you can run along now, Moffie . . . and don't forget to send your former Alpha Gimp an email or a Whatsup or something because I'm starting to worry he might have had a heart attack or a stroke. Off you go . . . there's a good little Moffie . . .
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:26
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17 Oct 2018, 17:26#12
Servile gimp...ram his little snout up your fat and wrinkled arse...why should I bother with him...terminally stupid.....sickening suck-up....strident and sanctimonious....equally stupid....unbridled hatred (there's something new)......I've schooled you .....humiliated you....pompous and ignorant old twat...you can run along now Moffie.....Alpha Gimp....there's a good little Moffie. .... I guess that pretty much sums up every post you have made for the last 18 years. I have it safely tucked away just in case you forget an adjective, next time you have a hissy fit.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:31
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17 Oct 2018, 17:31#13

This is another embarrassment for you, now you are straining to save yourself.

"Pieter-Steph keeps on making these ignorant and biased little twits look like the clowns they are."

This is why we are here. Your claim that we are ignorant and biased. You challenged my issues with various aspects of his game, then you cowardly scuttled away. You boldly assert you are too transcendental for anyone to comprehend your glory, but are too shy to demonstrate it. It doesn't stop you running your mouth. Hence the name Squeal. The challenge stands: Point out anything I have said about Steph that is incorrect or a lie. I'm not interested in your sad little battle to one day overcome Mozart, he who you follow around like a foul miasma plume, I'm here for the rugby. If you are so much the rugby savant, and I'm so stupid, then why desist? It's important enough for you to dedicate an entire thread to the topic. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:46
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17 Oct 2018, 17:46#14

All our locks a loosies have been getting better. 

I'm hopeful for Snyman though.

Looks like he has tons of potential.

PSDT has been good. Left nothing on the field this season. 

That's what we want from t he Boks, no?


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:51
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17 Oct 2018, 17:51#15
Yes, Pieter-Steph plays with the kind of heart we want to see in our Springboks.
I'd be more than happy for RG Snyman to be given an extended run in the side so we can see what he's got. We've seen what Etzebeth has got and it's not quite matching all the hysterical hype.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:52
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17 Oct 2018, 17:52#16

Steph has done some very good work, hence my 8.5 rating for the home Wallaby test. However, there are some recurring issues which I have noted. The Church of Steph don't like that, so Pope Lügnerin has sent for der kleiner Kläffer Rooi to thwart the dissent. It hasn't gone according to plan. Now poor Rooi has cooked up an omlett from rotten eggs. Watching Pip N Squeal at work is truly something to behold. 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:55
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17 Oct 2018, 17:55#17
Can anyone else hear a vague yapping noise like a very angry little doggie demanding attention?
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sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:57
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17 Oct 2018, 17:57#18
It would be good to not let Elizabeth think he is guaranteed of starting. He plays better when he has not played the last 10 tests in a row. Perhaps see how he does off the bench. 
RJ Snyman 1st test was amazing, but since then while he has been good- has not replicated the same form.


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:58
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17 Oct 2018, 17:58#19

Come now Dame Kläffer, take the tail from between your legs and breath deeply. Once the tears have dried up you can take up my challenge. You got our attention by yapping out this thread, now go on. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:00
#20
17 Oct 2018, 18:00#20

Sharkbok, Eben is the more important of the two players. Also our most dynamic forward. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:01
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17 Oct 2018, 18:01#21
Ja well, let's give him the same opportunities that Etzebeth was given and see if he can step up to the plate.
Question is, do we persist with Pieter-Steph at flank (which keeps Jean-Luc du Preez out the team) or do we play him at lock and let Mostert, Etzebeth and Snyman fight it out to be his lock partner?
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:03
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17 Oct 2018, 18:03#22
There's that same plaintive yapping noise again. Poor little thing. Hope it gets the attention it's looking for because this could get annoying if it carries on.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:19
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17 Oct 2018, 18:19#23

Snyman looked fast asleep at the death of the last All Black game when he should have been switched on. 1 tackle in 18 minutes while the other three forward replacements made 16 tackles between them in less than 11 minutes. It remains to be seen whether he's got a big game temperament.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:24
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17 Oct 2018, 18:24#24
Not saying he's the finished article Pakie, just saying he's shown enough to warrant a run in the team.
We'll only know if he has big game temperament if we play him in a big game.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:27
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17 Oct 2018, 18:27#25

Snyman had a poor game, but I still think he should be our partner for Eben. He was excellent in Wellington, a key figure in one of our breakout tries. 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:30
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17 Oct 2018, 18:30#26

Last quarter of an All Black test is about as big as it gets, but sure, it won't be fair to crucify him on that one performance. Let's just hope we don't see another lame flop into a ruck while the opposition fetcher is winning a penalty right next to him.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:36
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17 Oct 2018, 18:36#27

I think as the game got frantic our players became sloppier. It won't be easy for him to break into the starting XV though , as Mostert's work rate has been excellent. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:41
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17 Oct 2018, 18:41#28
Well Pakie in fairness to Snyman, Stephanie was Koch's pod support and he tripped over and actually pulled Koch down....his hand pulling down Koch's right arm is clearly visible. Sure Kolisi and Snyman rucked feebly....but Stephanie was supposedto be there to to clean out, instead he was in the deck.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:46
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17 Oct 2018, 18:46#29

Question is...where does Lood feature in all this?

Some tough competition with nobody really plying themselves out of contention.

Indeed Pakie, He went missing for a bit. 

Problem for him is, that was his home turf and people were looking for his star to rise. 

Still, he seems well round, aggressive and a semi decent reader of the game. 


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:52
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17 Oct 2018, 18:52#30
RG Snyman for the average Mostert is the obvious call
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 20:12
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17 Oct 2018, 20:12#31
So Snyman gets pinged and Stephanie, the main culprit gets a pass....no wonder the ABs see us as mentally weak.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 20:24
#32
17 Oct 2018, 20:24#32

Steph is a media darling, which means one cannot speak of any flaws in his performance or general game. He is a good player, making a significant leap this year, but he isn't perfect. He isn't irreplaceable either. 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
17 Oct 2018, 20:43
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17 Oct 2018, 20:43#33

Moz, sure, weak support play from Steph adding to the silly penalty from earlier. Still though, watching it again now, Kolisi seems to get his hands in there with Savea and then Snyman just flops down on top of him taking him right out of play.

That was just a poor sequence from the Boks all round. NZ hands us the ball, Snyman throws a wild offload, Papier decides to start sniping, then the shambles with Koch's carry where the supporting player goes down and the only guy who can get over the ball gets flattened by his own man. Not the finest moments in Bok history.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:09
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17 Oct 2018, 21:09#34

We did piss that game away.

A lot of the players guilty for that shambolic final bit of the game were noobies though.

It's hard to say the ABs deserved the win. Ultimately though, they did come back from a pretty shitty position and capitalised where they needed to. They deserve credit for that.

My feeling is still that the message in that last 10 minutes should have been "consolidate". Play territory and time!

It's leadership more tha n anything else that was missing.


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:16
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17 Oct 2018, 21:16#35

It was a collective capitulation. Some of those players aren't good enough to begin with. I'd prefer Van Zyl over Papier. He'll play that safer game. Koch for Louw was another mistake. Willemse at fullback was clearly a mistake. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:29
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17 Oct 2018, 21:29#36

AO

Why was Willemse at full ba ck a mistake???

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:36
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17 Oct 2018, 21:36#37

H e was so positionally flawed we conceded a try because he was not where he should have been. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 22:04
#38
17 Oct 2018, 22:04#38
Agree with your summation Pakie and Augie is right about Willemse's positional gaffe. Plum also....the players were sent on without any sensible mission.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Oct 2018, 23:06
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17 Oct 2018, 23:06#39

Willemse will prove to be a sen sation at 15 as Steph has proved to be at 7. Yes Du Toit, should he continue this form, will most likely be player of the year. World class number 7.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Oct 2018, 00:30
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18 Oct 2018, 00:30#40
Willemse is a flyhalf....we have no idea what sort of fullback he will be.
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