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Started by JeromeV39 REPLIES366 VIEWS· 24 Oct 2014, 06:14
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24 Oct 2014, 06:14
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Andries Bekker played outstanding throughout his career for the Stormers and Springboks. He became an essential part of the team at lock and is highly experienced with over a 100 caps at Super XV. This year he's played great at the Japanese club Kobelco Steelers and I think some need to pay more attention to his performances.

I'm sure Meyer has already set his sights to opt for Matfeild and Etzebeth as the two lock paring but it would be rational to at least replace De Jager for Andries Bekker in the squad. I'd prefer Bekker over De Jager  and Matfeild any day of the week. 

Do you think there is any chance Bekker will return in the Springboks? To involve him in the next years world cup wouldn't be a bad idea whether he's starting or not.

 This is a link that shows what Bekker has to offer. Great ball carrying, good defence and lineout takes. 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQIt_GRipzI

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24 Oct 2014, 06:54
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24 Oct 2014, 06:54#2
Leave the overseas players where they are, besides Bekker has issues as well, didn't he? 
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24 Oct 2014, 07:10
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24 Oct 2014, 07:10#3
 Biltongbek
Sorry I disagree. Some overseas players should be ignored but not ones that are capable of doing well for the springboks like Andries Bekker, Bryan Habana, Francios Louw. You don't wanna leave those players out do you? 

What issues did Bekker have? Be specific.

  

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24 Oct 2014, 07:40
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I can't recall, it had something to do with personal issues tat affected his on field performances.



You got to leave these overseas players out at some point. Why not bite the bullet and develop the next guy?

 

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24 Oct 2014, 07:42
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24 Oct 2014, 07:42#5
 Jerome, I'm sure that if he was interested in playing for the Bokke he would've said yes please when approached by HM . Since going to Japan I cannot recall a single news item with any news about him.

Jammer, read once where he was on holiday in Cape Town .
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24 Oct 2014, 08:13
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24 Oct 2014, 08:13#6
 
Agreed Jerome ... Always have been a Bekker fan. His exclusion was a puzzle right from the start.

Meyer's been bitc-hing about not having 5 locks yet not once have I heard him mention Bekker's name.

Makes me think that there may be an issue between the two.

I too would have brought Bekker into the mix ... right from the start. Actually that's a no brainer!!

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24 Oct 2014, 08:32
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24 Oct 2014, 08:32#7
 CC, you might be right & I might be wrong, but I can't imagine HM not asking whether he's available . Maybe he said no, but requested that his decision not be released to the media .
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24 Oct 2014, 08:41
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My reasoning is that Lood De Jager is not quite ready at test level. Based on his work rate he needs to be developed more at Super XV level not at test level. Bekker is a better option to start or to take cover on the bench ahead of De Jager. 

Etzebeth and Bekker was a very good lock paring, Bekker was arguably the best lock in the world at the time hence why the overseas clubs wanted him. He is playing superb at the Kobelco Steelers club if you look at his recent performances this year. 

Biltongbek leaving out overseas players it will not improve the team whatsoever. Bryan Habana still got another 2 or 3 years in him and played good enough, to leave him out just because of him playing at a overseas club is absurd. There is no other winger that can replace him at the moment. Senatla still needs to be developed more.
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24 Oct 2014, 08:48
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24 Oct 2014, 08:48#9
Jerome, short term you will take a knock by not selecting overseas players, but you will gain longterm.  
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24 Oct 2014, 08:54
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Blob, I do not know why Bekker's not in the mix. It puzzles me.

I know Meyer has been on Matfield's case right from the start, trying his damndest to bring him back from retirement.

That to me was a clear enough sign that there's no room for anyone else concerning the 5 jersey. I thought Bekker may have taken the hint and left.

Jerome ... to be quite honest with you ... I don't like Lood at all. I don't regard him as anything special. Not at Provincial level and definitely not as a test player. He's immature as a person and too easily intimidated.

He's a 4 lock ... not a 5. Why Meyer tried to make him one is beyond me.

Willemse would have been my choice as lock cover with Bekker taking the starting 5 jersey.


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24 Oct 2014, 08:55
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The last time that Bekker was involved he got injured.... again. He then signed a Jap contract that stopped him from playing for the Boks, similar to Jaque Fourie's initial contract.  
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24 Oct 2014, 08:56
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The last time that Bekker was involved he got injured.... again. He then signed a Jap contract that stopped him from playing for the Boks, similar to Jaque Fourie's initial contract.  
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24 Oct 2014, 08:58
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24 Oct 2014, 08:58#13
 
Yes we know that.

Why was he never approached?

Fourie and Du Preez were? So were a host of others.

 
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24 Oct 2014, 09:49
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24 Oct 2014, 09:49#14
I'm with the Bek . . . the overseas-based players should not be considered for Springbok selection. If you want to play for the Springboks then play in the Super 15 and the Currie Cup.

Leaving out overseas-based players may not help us win the next test match but it will send out a clear message to the promising youngster who's ready to go and make money in France or Japan but still considers himself good enough to play for the Springboks.

Go play overseas when your career is winding up and give your best years to your own country.
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24 Oct 2014, 09:50
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24 Oct 2014, 09:50#15
 CC
As far as I know Bekker signed a contrac t - similar to the previous one of Jacque  Fourie - that excludes hin from playing internaionals.   What it means is that he has excluded himself from playing in any internationals until 2015.
  
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24 Oct 2014, 09:59
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24 Oct 2014, 09:59#16
 My view of foreign club players are in line wih what biltongbek feels about the issue.   Of those players only Habana is really better than local competitors.   There is verylittle betwen what Louw can offer that would made us miss him - Kriel and Marcell Coetzee can replace him easily.
As to the rest of the present foreign club player sin the squad local players are vastly better than them.  Here we have Morne Steyn, Ruan Pienaar,  JP Pietersen,  Bakkies Botha and Gurthro   Steenkamp.
Previous Springboks like Francois Steyn,  Jacque Fourie and Zane Kirchner falls in the latter caegory as well.      
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24 Oct 2014, 10:01
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@CC. He was not only approached. He was selected and he was well within HM's plans and then he p!ssed of and sign a contract with no get-out, all on his own. He dropped HM. Not the other way around. I have no sympathy. It would have been a different story if he buggered off because he was ignored. 
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24 Oct 2014, 10:04
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24 Oct 2014, 10:04#18
Bekkers contract, as windpomp says, DOESNT ALLOW him to play for the Boks. CC these Jap palyers have signed contracts with different terms - getting it oak?Obviously Bekker is ten times the lock wee matfiled ever was. He should be available next year I believe as he signed I think a 2 year contract? To think matfiled 106 kg was played ahead of Bekker. What a monumental blunder!!!!!
Lood has been fine for the Boks and the criticism overly harsh. He MUST be kept in the squad. He can only get better. No more silly comments about Lood please oaks - wee cc especially - has the oak any clue at all!!
With the player exodus we have had and which will continue, if not accelerate, due to a worsening exchange rate, quotas re job placements, poor governemnt etc, not picking worthy overseas players would be a disasterous policy. 
Biltongbek in the long term we may not have any players here to select from!!! Predictions are that the rand will continue to weaken. The amount to be earned is becoming irresistable to players. Watch out for what happens after the World Cup. What would happen if the pound was then worth say R24! Few years overseas and you are made for life. I would advise all SA players to seek their fortune overseas if they get the chance. Speaking as a CA of course!
So when looked at logically Meyer has not erred in not picking the unavailable Bekker (got it wee cc) and he is correct in principle to pick overseas players but his selections have been off the mark. 


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24 Oct 2014, 10:11
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24 Oct 2014, 10:11#19
 Beeno, if not selecting overseas players weaken us then so be it, I disagree with you in that regard though.
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24 Oct 2014, 10:13
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24 Oct 2014, 10:13#20
 Cera, are you sure Bekker dropped Meyer by just pissing off? He had serious back injury problems SA is just too much for injury prone players. It might be possible that he took a sabbatical or it might be possible that he just don't see his way clear playing for the Boks again. I'm sure he would have discussed it with Meyer though. I would love to see a fit Bekker play for the Boks again.
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24 Oct 2014, 10:20
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24 Oct 2014, 10:20#21
 Biltongbek let's not be emotional about this. I agree that it is far, far better our players stay at home. BUT this player drain wont go away unless overseas countries cap numbers. If the exchange rate worsens there is little doubt things will get worse. BB its not only older palyers leaving these days. Very concerning all this.
In the end we cannot on principle not pick star players/ best in position just because they are overseas. 
It' s a very troublesome issue.
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24 Oct 2014, 10:23
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24 Oct 2014, 10:23#22
 I see rooitwit is living in a nice littye fantasy world where a players best years are given to SA and they then go overseas. Please rooitwit tear yourself away from fantasy rugby and get real ala Beeno.
Draad expect Bekker along with a few others to be back here in Sa next yar to stake a claim to a world cup berth. The expect a big exodus following th e RWC. 
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24 Oct 2014, 10:25
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 I am not emotional at all mate, I like things in black and white, it is the grey areas that complicate things, you can discuss many issues that are impacted when overseas players play for SA.


You can question their commitment over money vs loyalty and pride, not that I have an issue if someone choses money.


You can discuss availability of players, not only for tests but preparation.


How do you measure these players against their peers at home?


How can a selection of Pienaar and Steyn be as potent as a combination of Hougaard and POllard or Reinach and Lambie? Players get to know each other, they get a feel for each other.


Then there is culture of South African rugby, something you live with every day.


Player management and conditioning, players playing in Europe are for example playing rugby 24/7 50 weeks a year.


Many, many, maaaaaaany issues

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24 Oct 2014, 10:25
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24 Oct 2014, 10:25#24
 Exactly. Bekker is far more better than the overrated Matfeild, he's much more versatile. The video link I posted in the first post shows how useful he really is in comparison. 

I would like to see Bekker return in 2015 RWC.
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24 Oct 2014, 10:42
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24 Oct 2014, 10:42#25
If he was interested in the RWC we would've heard from him by now ..... or is he perhaps waiting for a special invitation from the oak who wears a shower nozzle on his head ? Or maybe his conversion to the Flying Spaghetti Monster church is to blame .
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24 Oct 2014, 10:49
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24 Oct 2014, 10:49#26

xx

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24 Oct 2014, 10:57
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Loyalty in this sport only extends for so long ... then it's onto the next guy.

I understand your reasoning and can see your logic of local players benefiting from it, however would still like to see our best running on and competing.

Some quality players are being ignored ... like Willemse for example. Chances of him EVER geting a shot is highly unlikely. I too would be tempted by the mighty Euro and Japanese Yen.

10 years from now and your done.  Then you take your battered body and go seek an income elsewhere.

Strike while the iron is hot, I say .
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24 Oct 2014, 11:11
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24 Oct 2014, 11:11#28
Hahaha Saffex you still having a crack at me.

What a fool...I didn't mention anything about Matfeild being superior over De Jager, I merely stated Bekker is a better option than Matfeild and De Jager for the reason being De Jager is not quite ready at test level.

The Japan league actually got some talented players with a lot of overseas players but obviously not as good as the other leagues. Whether Bekker is playing in the Japan league or not he is still likely to dominate and play his usual game.

You are the ignorant one out of the all that probably would prefer the low work rate player De Jager over another class lock.  
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24 Oct 2014, 11:12
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24 Oct 2014, 11:12#29

Jerome, hence my edit you plank.

 

Lood low work rate are you fucking stupid?????????  

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24 Oct 2014, 11:13
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You removed you're post I see lmao. Typical.
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24 Oct 2014, 11:18
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Yes you idiot as I read your post wrong, I thought you were stupid enough to tell us that Matfield was better than Lood, but given your rugby ignorance, I'm sure that is your call anyway.

 

You have to be one ignorant prick to not rate Lood, easily one of the best 3 locks in the whole S15 this year  

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24 Oct 2014, 11:31
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Oh please ... Lood is useless.

Average club player at best.
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24 Oct 2014, 11:49
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24 Oct 2014, 11:49#33
CC your take on Lood is letting the side down......open your eyes man  
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24 Oct 2014, 11:54
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 Yes open your eyes CC and put your specs on as well! Trashing Lood makes you look as clueless as you are! Bwahahhahahahahahahahaha
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24 Oct 2014, 12:47
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24 Oct 2014, 12:47#35
Is that traffic cop Lood who waved the Arg scrummie through to go score, that you are talking about, Beeno? 
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24 Oct 2014, 16:01
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24 Oct 2014, 16:01#36

 Yes the same who was easley pushed into touch by Barrett!!

 

He could have a future as a Bok but he will need harden the fuck up.

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24 Oct 2014, 16:24
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24 Oct 2014, 16:24#37
Yes BokBF
Getting pushed out by a flyhalf shows much about how fragile he is with ball in hand.

Really you would expect a lock to stay in the field of play in that situation against a flyhalf.

Look... The player needs to harden up more. There are better options than De Jager. Bekker and others is the real deal!

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24 Oct 2014, 17:26
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24 Oct 2014, 17:26#38

So the fact that Lood spent the whole S15 making metres and S15 teams of the week has you clowns concluding he needs to man up.......wow.

 

And for the record Barrett was assisted in pushing Lood out, the same Barrett who ripped the ball off Matfield with ease  

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24 Oct 2014, 17:40
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24 Oct 2014, 17:40#39
 In the green and gold Loodvoet was useless in all but the 40 minutes that he played against the World XV
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"And for the record Barrett was assisted in pushing Lood out, the same Barrett who ripped the ball off Matfield with ease "

Typical from Saffex lying as usual.

Barrett was not assisted in pushing Lood out at all. In fact if you watch the repla y on a different angle you can clearly see for yourself Barrett made the tackle on his own. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbVkhBjE5gI

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