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Another Mozart story in tatters

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Oct 2016, 08:52
#1
11 Oct 2016, 08:52#1
The following from News24:-
"Versatile South African Johan Goosen was named by his peers as the best player in the Top 14 for the 2015-16 season at an annual prize-giving ceremony for the French rugby championship on Monday.

The Racing 92 man, who can operate at fullback, centre and flyhalf, beat out the New Zealand star and team-mate Dan Carter and the Fijian Josua Tuisova of Toulon to take the honour at the "Nuit De Rugby" (Night of Rugby).


"I wasn't expecting it. When I look at the other names... Dan... no need to say anything more," said Goosen, 24. "And as for Josua, he had a great season, so I take this award with great humility."


Racing, who won the Top 14 last season, also took the award for best coaching team for Laurent Travers, Laurent Labit and Ronan O'Gara."


Goosen was constantly called by commentators during matches "Racing's most valuable player" and in the above  case beat Dan Carter for the award.    


Mozart has been punting Morne as a player ahead of Goosen and even when Goosen played in three tests for the Springboks this year he was credited with scoring two tries and with two try assists - not bad for any player.   There were zero attacking ability in that backline of Coetzee in the last two tests.  


I have come to the conclusion that Coetzee and Mozart are both dense - so what else is new.   

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Oct 2016, 09:31
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11 Oct 2016, 09:31#2
 I'm surprised to hear this.
Either way ... he should have been given a shot at the 10 jersey.
Still puzzled why that never crossed Coetzee's mind!





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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Oct 2016, 16:31
#3
11 Oct 2016, 16:31#3
He couldnt take one high ball, couldnt tackle and lost the ball in contact. Yep lets have more of that please.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Oct 2016, 22:57
#4
11 Oct 2016, 22:57#4
    Another stupid Mozart - the fool alleged that he made a poor tackle on Kerevi when he in fact made a try-saving tackle.   The Club won the Top 14 competition last year and the Club players knows bout rugby = only a plank like Mozart cannot see that Goosen has ball sense and knows how to score tries and contribute to scoring of tries,   
How about three tests played in - scoring two tries and assisting in scoring of to two more tries,   That is ignored because of the Idiot King of the site try-scoring is supposed to be foreign to SA Rugby,       
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Oct 2016, 23:38
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11 Oct 2016, 23:38#5
First of all he played in 4 tests Queer. Secondly in those 4 tests he turned the ball over 12 times....far more than any other Bok over those 4 tests. And in spite of all the running against the Boks, he only attempted 10 tackles....and missed 4 of them. He was weak and a liability so he was dropped. Live with it.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2016, 04:54
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12 Oct 2016, 04:54#6
 Kak = the negatives are given.   He made 10 tackles and missed 4 - which is not as bad as was your hero Morne Steyn - who in one test made 7 tackles and missed 5 for a missed tackle ratio of 42,7%.    As to the turnovers it was not good enough - but since attacks does not count in the case of Moffie and he is utterly clueless  = he come up with the fact that Goosen was dropped by an idiot coach - as if that is the norm.   By the way you are on par with Coetzee preferring Morne Steyn ahead of Goosen at flyhalf.  
What you - dismal character - does not know is that Goosen routinely plays at 13 for Racing Metro and that in other games he played at 10 - he rarely played at 15 the past Racing season - so the idiot (your comradely poes)  picked him out of position at 15 for the recent tests.
So idiot supreme if you want to discuss a player - be aware of the background and start getting your brain cell out of the mothballs.         
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Oct 2016, 06:30
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12 Oct 2016, 06:30#7
Poofter... Goosen attempted 10 tackles and missed 4. What does that tell you? Yes that's right he only made 6.....he had a 60% success ratio. Morne who you are always berating was 15 made and 8 missed....a 65% ratio. So not only did Morne make 2.5 times more tackles in 2 games than Goosen did in 4, he also tackled at a higher success rate. Schplott old chap. But do keep trying.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2016, 10:30
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12 Oct 2016, 10:30#8
 Mozart
Hell for a person who claim he s clever you are a stupid and deliberate liar.   Lets look at the situation.   You cannot even work out missed tackle ratio's - unless it is easy as that of Goosen.
Lets look at the figures of Morne for two tests that is pertinent:-
Perth (2014) 
Steyn0/0188/9/000001 8/70/010/0
This f#ckwit represents a missed tackle ratio of 46,67% and a success rate of 53.33%'
Durban
Steyn0/01511/10/000001 7/50/010/0
This f#ckwit represents a missed tackle ratio of 41,67% and a success rate of 58.33%
To make a false claim by deliberate miscalculation is what one can expect from you.   Morne - stupid arse - played at full back - not at flyhalf - where there are more tackles available.   In any event you alsom lied about a try-saving tackle by Goosen on Kerevi - so one always no what to eexpect from you.  
I am sick and tired of reading your constant BS on the site - it shows a complete level of idiocy. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2016, 10:30
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12 Oct 2016, 10:30#9
 Mozart
Hell for a person who claim he s clever you are a stupid and deliberate liar.   Lets look at the situation.   You cannot even work out missed tackle ratio's - unless it is easy as that of Goosen.
Lets look at the figures of Morne for two tests that is pertinent:-
Perth (2014) 
Steyn0/0188/9/000001 8/70/010/0
This f#ckwit represents a missed tackle ratio of 46,67% and a success rate of 53.33%'
Durban
Steyn0/01511/10/000001 7/50/010/0
This f#ckwit represents a missed tackle ratio of 41,67% and a success rate of 58.33%
To make a false claim by deliberate miscalculation is what one can expect from you.   Morne - stupid arse - played at full back - not at flyhalf - where there are more tackles available.   In any event you alsom lied about a try-saving tackle by Goosen on Kerevi - so one always no what to eexpect from you.  
I am sick and tired of reading your constant BS on the site - it shows a complete level of idiocy. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Oct 2016, 15:15
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12 Oct 2016, 15:15#10
Perth 2014......it's 2016 Mike. Hello time to see the doctor. Here is the pppppppertinent number you want ou Poof Morne Steyn tackles made 8/ tackles missed 3.....vs Oz Morne Steyn tackles made 7/ tackles missed 5.....vs NZ So by the miracle process of addition 15 made/ 8 missed....percentage 65% made. You really are a tonic, a laugh a minute, A belligerent fool who always is always wrong about the proximate cause of his anger. Thanks for the laughs.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2016, 19:08
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12 Oct 2016, 19:08#11
 Mozart
Morne Steyn started in three tests - the Perth Test in 2014 and the Pretoria and and Durban Tests this year.  He was on the bench  in another few tests in the period - but never really figured in anything else.   Two of his last three starting tests were rank disasters from a defense perspective and ZERO in attacking play.   In the third test he was defensively defective as well.    
So let us take his last three starting tests and see what happens: 
Tackles attempted   -    38Tackles missed        -    15Missed tackle ratio   -    39,73%
Since he brings nothing to the team in attacking play as well  and he is the optimum in aimless and ineffective kicking - what the hell is he doing in the team.
How many more tackles would he have missed if he played the full game on Saturday?  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Oct 2016, 19:30
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12 Oct 2016, 19:30#12
The Perth test is irrelevant. We are talking about his tackling this year, within this team, against similar opponents, with similar colleagues. And here's the thing pOofter your tackling ratio is not changed because you play more or less minutes....kaching. What a joke.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2016, 02:45
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13 Oct 2016, 02:45#13
 Mozart
It really is not irrelevant - it confirms a tendency as to Steyn's defending abilities and it confirms the continuous deficiencies in defense.   Morne's average defensive stats in defense since 2012 has been a missed tackle ratio of 25% - with Meyer dropping him from the starting line-up in 2014 after the Perth test,   In 2014 the poor defensive record took a turn for the worst also on club level and that is continuous.  
There is no indication since  then that the situation has improved.   Matter of fact that when Stade Francais won the  Top 14 comp in 2014-15 season final - Morne missed 55% of his tackle attempts in that game.   When you wrote lyrics about that game and the defensive deficiency was pointed out to you - you tried to whitewash the issue as well.
However, the issue here is that you try your normal - you always think you are the expert and when it is pointed out that you talk BS 0 you deviate from the issue and start talking BS on issues, so lets face facts - your crazy prejudice against Goosen continues unabated in this case as well.    You have never commented on your lie about the Kerevi tackle after your lie was exposed after your attack.       
        
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2016, 04:56
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13 Oct 2016, 04:56#14
Okay so lets forget what happened last week and judge one player based on this year, another based on 2014. Let alone that Goosen was advantaged by playing the Bargies twice, an easier defensive assignment. This lightweight was catapulted into the Bok team based on Frog club rugby. And the result was predictable...a flop. Coetzee had every reason to retain Goosen spmebody he brought back, but he couldnt, the performance was so flimsy. Live with it.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2016, 04:57
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13 Oct 2016, 04:57#15
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2016, 04:57
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13 Oct 2016, 04:57#16
Let alone that one player had to defend 10 channel and the other was mostly tackling in open field.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2016, 05:47
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13 Oct 2016, 05:47#17
Stop talking KAK,   I did not judge Morne on what happened in the 2014 test - I merely used his last three starting games for the Springboks to see whether there is a deficient and very bad tendency iro tackling by Morne and whether you like it or not the tendency is clearly proven.   By the way - what about the lie about the Kerevi tackle? 
That assessment of yours is in direct opposition to the assessment of Racing Metro and everybody who said repeatedly in commenting on matches that Goosen is the most valuable player for the club.  
Nobody said that about Morne Steyn - he is normally on the bench for Stade Francais and there is a serious reason for that situation.  
Is open field tackles more difficult than tackles in traffic where ball carriers ate generally slower?  
By the way I saw the match between Stade Francais and Racing Metro earlier this year.  Morne was at  flyhalf and at more or less minute 60 Stade Francais was leading 16-14.  Carter was at flyhalf for Racing  Metro and was - due to a slight injury - replaced by Goosen.    In the next 20 minutes Racing Metro scored three tries - one of which was by Goosen himself and he also had a try-assist.   The result was a 35-16 win by Racing Metro,   So who was the better flyhalf that day and throughout the Top 14 season - your favourite Morne or Goosen? 
You really are ignorant anyway - players are assessed iro of all-round ability - not only defense  - and in that Morne has no attacking ability and neither has your other hero Fat Fransie.   They have another tendency in common - both are putrid defenders.             
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Oct 2016, 09:38
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13 Oct 2016, 09:38#18
 Goosen wasn't awarded the crown just for the hell of it.  
He clearly impressed enough to take top spot amongst class acts like Carter.
No mention of Morne being a possible candidate??
How come??
Could it be that spending so much time on the bench put a spoke in his chances ... or is it perhaps that he's just simply not worth mentioning?




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2016, 12:28
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13 Oct 2016, 12:28#19
 CC
Mozart thinks the sun shines out of the arses of Morne and Fat Fransie Steyn.   Everyone else is not acceptable to him and one has to guard against lies about other players spread by him.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2016, 15:35
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13 Oct 2016, 15:35#20
Uh oh.....here's Cleancut in August 'RE: Meyer Response to dropping Goosen August 05, 2014, 10:37:19 This fool of a coach had much to say in the beginning about the useless Goosen. He was a brilliant ... an incredible ... an awesome player ... etc. It took him awhile to discover that this was not so. ' Seems he thought Goosen was useless then.....what changed his mind, Goosen's 60% tackle ratio or the fact that he turned the ball over more than any other player in the RC?
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Oct 2016, 15:57
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13 Oct 2016, 15:57#21
 Are you really that slow?
He was awarded the crown for impressing the boys up north. That is irrefutable. As much as you'd like to shoot him down it doesn't change the fact that he won top honours.
Morne and Fat Fransie weren't even considered as possible candidates for the prize.
It also doesn't change the fact that I don't like Goosen. I don't rate him at all. Never have and never will  
Having said that ... he still remains the award winner and to him go my hearty congrats.
I've tried to put it as simply as I could ... hope it helped your old decaying brain grasp it.
You should really make a bigger effort in finding a suitable home, Mozart. It's becoming more and more desperate as each day. 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2016, 15:58
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13 Oct 2016, 15:58#22
 Mozart is just a shit brain - rugby consisting of defense only is his norm.    Nothing else count for him and the best thing a fyhalf must do is kicking away balls aimlessly - handing it over to the opposition for them to counter-attack.   The man is really a nut case.   He attacks Goosen for being a poor defender - but when it was pointed out that Morne is a worse defender - with zero other abilities as a flyhalf other than to make aimless and wasted kicks  handing over possession to the opposition he defends Morne. 
The mans brin capoacity wet on retreat and his prejudice against players is notorious.   He does not mind spouting lies to justify his viewpoint - so lets accept he has a seriously defective attitude towards the game of rugby.   
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2016, 16:20
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13 Oct 2016, 16:20#23
So you don't rate him.....but because he won an award we have to what.....put him in the Bok team? Luke Watson won our S15 Player of the Year ....awards have to be judged on the merits just like everything else. I can't comment on Goosen in France, but I did see him in the tests for the Boks and he was the same unless lightweight that needs meters of open space to be effective. And was then dropped for the same....case closed.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2016, 20:14
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13 Oct 2016, 20:14#24
 Mozart
What you saw is so distorted that it is unbelievable.   Goosen made a try-saving tackle on Kerevi - and you came with an outright lie about him making a weak tackle,  You never saw him scoring two tries and assisting with to others.
What you saw is flawed as well.    Goosen has not really played at full back for more than he year.  For Racing Metro he played in the main at 13 or in the absence of Carter at 10,   He had very little game time at 15 for the past season and the fool Coetzee picked him at full back.
He should have played at 10 for the Springboks after Jantjies failed and knowing full well that Morne Steyn has failed before in that position.   Your defense of Morne is really a joke and cannot be serious,     
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2016, 21:38
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13 Oct 2016, 21:38#25
Oh please.....the man was dropped for non performance, no other reason. That included a woeful list of missed tackles and fragility under the high ball. His vaunted kicking never materialized either. He was a flop.
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quacky96Club Pro196 posts
13 Oct 2016, 22:30
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13 Oct 2016, 22:30#26
 When will people understand...as much as Morne Steyn is a great goalkicker, the flyhalf position isn't a "goalkicker"! Just look at Barrett.

Some days he kicks, some days he is simply awfull. But he always excels in the attack. And Gossen has attack, and can drive a team forward, if given the chance. Besides the kicks, what has Morne been except also a flop???
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 Oct 2016, 10:02
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14 Oct 2016, 10:02#27
 He wasn't tested at 10 ... was he now Mozart? Try to wake up will ya?
Why is it always necessary to explain things to you over and over?
Has your brain decayed to such an extent that it's retarded your thinking? 
Try to keep up with the jist of the conversation. 
Oh and by the way ... who was the man in charge of the 10 jersey when we got hammered last weekend ... when we received the worst beating EVER by the All Blacks??
Hmmmm???
Say after me, Mozart .. "Morne Steyn was at 10 when we were so badly beaten" ...
Morne Steyn will never win an award of any sort ... his sub standard performance on Saturday showed why. 




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Oct 2016, 13:14
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14 Oct 2016, 13:14#28
 Mozart
Do you think there is logic in the selections of Coetzee?  If there was there would never have been place for Morne Steyn and De Jongh in the squad.  They were a hell of a lot worse than Goosen was.    He dropped De Allende one week and send him to play for WP - the next week he is back in the team. 
If dropping from the team by Coetzee is the norm - heaven help SA rugby.      
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