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AO mentioned that he saw Wes Goosen playing in a recent match

Started by clevermike16 REPLIES458 VIEWS· 21 Oct 2018, 18:29
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Oct 2018, 18:29
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21 Oct 2018, 18:29#1

He said he was impressed by his good performance and the fact that he is South African. 


He never played any rugby on senior school boy level in SA and his parents left South Africa when he was a 13  year-old.


The guy has been in the Hurricanes set-up for at least two years and often played for them indicates shows that AO are way behind times when mentioning players.   He always identify players once they have been around for years without he being aware of their existence 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Oct 2018, 19:22
#2
21 Oct 2018, 19:22#2
Who needs to know all these players, we will get to know them soon enough if they become regulars.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Oct 2018, 19:42
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21 Oct 2018, 19:42#3

This is hilarious. I always identify players after they've been around for years? How can you tell? I only signed up in July. 

Wes has only played 2 games for the Hurricanes, both in 2016. 

Lastly, what difference does it make? I mentioned a South African who had a good game. A South African nobody here has ever mentioned. In fact, I doubt any other member knew about him at all. Seeing as I ordinarily never watch Currie Cup rugby, only Mitre 10, I thought I would mention him for those who may be interested. Clearly you weren't in the know, as you had to read up on him before making this thread. A thread which highlights the lengths you will go to be contrary and disagree with me. 

By the way, he left with South Africa at the age of 4. His family moved to Auckland. If anyone wants to check him out, he plays for Wellington. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Oct 2018, 20:02
#4
21 Oct 2018, 20:02#4

Foeitog and what about your horde of previous user names.   Sorry to feel so deprived - I was merely trying to help. 

By the way it again shows that neither you nor Mozart is up to date on any rugby and can come up with anything that you think may help in your arguments.   

Mostly you have not seen the games and comments on it,   Wonderful!!!!!!!!!!  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Oct 2018, 20:15
#5
21 Oct 2018, 20:15#5

I don't comment on games I haven't seen. Only those I have. Reading comprehension. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Oct 2018, 20:21
#6
21 Oct 2018, 20:21#6

Oops - sorry I was referring to games you say you saw and then give a report nobody else saw in that game.  I should have been clearer and said you wrote about what you wished happening in games and then make out it did.     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Oct 2018, 20:30
#7
21 Oct 2018, 20:30#7

Prove it. Cite one such instance. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Oct 2018, 20:44
#8
21 Oct 2018, 20:44#8

Let me think a bit - Louw was wonderful in his first test -

*   making 7 tackles missing 2;

*   with very limited carries and gaining minimal meters;

*   letting Sanchez run past him  making no tackle attempt allowing him to score:

*   contributing minimally to breakdown ball recovery.

You did not wish to see the above taking place and write fairy tales to the contrary.    The above example is just one case - there are numerous cases in every test played this year.    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Oct 2018, 20:54
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21 Oct 2018, 20:54#9

Actually, Sanchez wasn't being marked by Louw. Louw was marking their 12. The Boks were too slow folding around the back of the ruck and we were short of numbers on the openside. You were already debunked post-game. To make matters worse, you tried to shift the blame onto Pollard. Neither player had much of a chance. Pollard had to mark a flat pod's outside runner. If Louw end for 10, 10 hits 12, try. 

Here are some of your fairytales:

  1. Willemse didn't throw an intercept pass. 
  2. Willemse didn't play in the first Puma test.
  3. Steph didn't get beaten on defence at Wellington.
  4. Damian didn't get beaten cleanly from a lineout.
  5. Esterhuizen lost the Aussie test we won. 
  6. Esterhuizen played in the Brisbane test. 
  7. Esterhuizen singlehandedly lost the Welsh and third England test. 
  8. Morné lost the Stade game against Krasny Yar, something Plisson would never have done. Morné wasn't present. Plisson was. 
  9. Esterhuizen missed all of his tackles in the Aussie test at home. (Yet he supposedly didn't play in this game). 
  10. Morné was why we lost in 2013's Ellis Park test.
  11. Schalk played flyhalf.
  12. Steph didn't play flyhalf, occupying a similar role with less dynamism.
  13. All of our aimless kicks were tactical, so too the tries we conceded from them. There were no poor kicks under Rassie and we always had a strong chase which never missed the first tackle.
  14. Goosen didn't get run over by Nonu. 
  15. Goosen was subbed after the try from a lineout. It was all Morné's fault.
  16. Goosen didn't leave a ruck unattended which resulted in a Smith try. 
  17. Du Preez was fat because of playing in Japan, he was actually leaner than he was under Peter.
  18. Du Preez conceded two tries against England in 2004's EOYT.
  19. Meyer's Boks kicked every ball away.
  20. Rassie' Boks played ball-in-hand attacking rugby then Coetzee's 2017 team, in spite of making less carries, metres gained, defenders beaten, clean breaks etc. 
  21. Meyer had a more experienced team than Rassie
  22. The World Cup Japanese team was dominated by old players. 
  23. Meyer always went for older players first. 
  24. Frans only had a few defenders beaten, when in fact he surpassed your fictional total in 3 or 4 games. 
  25. SH rugby hasn't been experiencing deteriorating defence. You omitted the missed tackle stats for 127 games and turned on Moz when he pointed it out. 
  26. Louw was useless at the breakdown in the World Cup, but was second for turnovers won. 
  27. Kirchner didn't outplay Folau in 2013.
  28. Folau played well in 2013. Incited every kind of evidence that you were wrong. 
  29. Never kick directly to an opponent. I cited two tests where this worked. You reverted to personal.
  30. Jake dropped Morné for the 2007 World Cup. 
  31. Meyer didn't give alt of new caps.
  32. Carter and McCaw were rubbish in the World Cup.
These are just a few of these nuggets of laughter. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 05:02
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22 Oct 2018, 05:02#10

Half of the above is dreamed up fairy tales and the other half a denial of the true situation.

Lets classify them:-

The normal distortions of what I wrote

1,3,11,12,13,14,18,19,20,24,27,28

Factual - but in denial by you

10, 21,22,23,31

Outright Untruths 

7,9,12,13.15,16,25,26,30,32

Of the other 9 - there were some cases where I did not check the teams and made mistakes and admitted it or never commented on before.   Please note that of those 10 , 4 dealt with Esterhuizen and three dealt with Goosen.  

No 17 was interesting - I saw a photo of Du Preez and commented that it looked like he picked up some weight in Japan.  That was in 2013 - when one of AO numerous previous user names was on site.  Please give us a true account of all the user names you previously used - that on its own would be entertaining.  That is starting from the very beginning.

I never write anything about Folau other than to respond to you. in the first case you started demonizing Folau in 2013 and the difference was that both Dave and I did not buy y our crap.  The case went quiet - but under every user name you repeated your crap about Folau.   When you tried the stunt again this year - I nicely asked you to refrain from doing it and reminded you that you tried the  stunt numerous times in the past.   When that happened I did check what happened statistically - but never really said anything further about him.   I based my assessment on the Folau achievements subsequent to his first year as a test player and his wonderful ability catching balls in the air,  That was enough to set off the normal freak attacks on Folau by you.    

By the way you really have a wonderful ability to dream up things in rugby matches - but it seems you have the same ability to distort what members write on site,   Best advice - stick to facts and forget about distortions,   


  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 05:09
#11
22 Oct 2018, 05:09#11

Well, well, well - who was Esterhuizen marking?   Louw was within two meters from where Sanchez passed him and did not move once to try and make a tackle when he saw Sanchez coming his way,   When I did compare that with a mistake made by Du Toit in 2014 the hysterics by you and Mozart was hilarious.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Oct 2018, 06:08
#12
22 Oct 2018, 06:08#12

I made an error, it was Eben in place of where I said Pollard was . Faf, André and Willie immediately moved to the blindside after the ball had been grounded by Argentina. The next phase was A9 to A2 (Flat Pod: A8-A2-A5). The second phase saw A7 coming around the corner at pace to link up with A3-A1-A4. A10-A15-A12 were underneath them. A7-A3-A1-A4 pulled in S7-S3-S5-S4. S4 was the outer defender. S6 (Louw) was left to defend acres of space with no support for at least two metres wither side of himself. A10 ran into that space. He had A15 and A12 outside of him. No matter what Louw had done it was a try. If Eben was able to get hold of Sanchez, he still had A15 and A12 outside. André was where he was supposed to be. To make matters worse, before A9 passed to Sanchez, André can be seen ordering the Boks to quickly fan out on the openside. He was the only Bok alert to the danger. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 09:27
#13
22 Oct 2018, 09:27#13

So you ran for cover again.  And your wonderful description did not help.   The Sanchez try was scored on the blindside of the Springboks maul - so all your fancy description of how Andre did wonderfully well  in organizing the openside defense is really farcical.

You have still not dispelled the fact why Louw 2 meters or less from where Sanchez passed him did nothing to try and prevent the scoring of the try.   He got exonerated  completely - if Du Toit was where Louw was he would have been crucified on aa daily basis by Mozart and you since that test.           

LMAO

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Oct 2018, 13:13
#14
22 Oct 2018, 13:13#14

Actually, if Steph was where Louw was, I would not have "crucified" him. The Sanchez try you harped on about happened after a failed high ball catch by Willie in our 22. There have been numerous instances Steph has failed on defence and I have said nothing. Such as his numerous open field tackles after a kick. He was one of the interior chasers. He has failed almost all of them. In fact, I can't think of a successful one off t he top of my head. It's all situational. What can the player do vs what are the opposition doing. Expecting Louw to defend three backs in front of him with at least one wing further out is ridiculous. There wasn't one option he had that would have worked. 

Esterhuizen wasn't at fault for any Puma try in either game. You are reaching desperately again to pin the blame on a player that did nothing wrong. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 13:28
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22 Oct 2018, 13:28#15

Listen - please read what I wrote.   You and Mozart are desprerately dreaming up tings to stick on Du Toit.  When I asked him on the lack of any  Louw response to the Sanchez attack - and referred to attacks launched by him and you on Du Toit - he claimed that there was no similarity between the two cases and his obvious servant supported him in that - but fact is neither of you two could support nay evidence as to what Mozart stated.

Esterhuizen may not have been at any fault because of a try scored by the Pumas.   However, there can be no dispute that he had too low a tackle count and too high a missed tackle ratio.   You could carry on about how good he was - but he was definitely not Erasmus's first choice inside center,   I have watched this guy from his Under 20 days and he has always had the same deficiencies - pace deficiency, resultant defense deficiency and some ball handling problems.   White even thought he was a deficient center and tried him out as a 7 loosie.  One would have thought that you in your hero-worship of White would take White's view into consideration.

               

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Oct 2018, 13:52
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22 Oct 2018, 13:52#16

I'm not dreaming these thing should. I posted a video which proved what I said was true. I could have posted a lot more! Every word I have spoken about Steph has been a plain as day fact. No bias, no prejudice, just calling a spade a spade. Your are too emotionally bound to Steph to be objective. Not once have you ever pointed out an error or admitted one happened. Not once. Yet you will go so far as to rate André the worst player on the field who missed all of his tackle when he was one of the best. Shocking. 

Respect isn't easily won, particularly from me. You ruin any chance you could ever have of getting it. For what? Honesty Mike. You let yourself down through a lack of honesty. Rassie is anti-Meyer in your mind. Your mind is ruled by tribe x; tribe y thinking. Them versus us. You make a lot of comprehension errors because you scan for trigger words like an SJW. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 15:47
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22 Oct 2018, 15:47#17

Go and see what you wrote about the Dunedin tries in 2012 and come back and tell me you did not dream up what happened there.  That is just one example - there were endless others.    One has to be actually careful when reading your postings since so much of it is cloud 9 stories.

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