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Aphelele Fassi

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
22 Oct 2018, 11:38
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22 Oct 2018, 11:38#1

We all seem to agree that Aphiwe Dyantyi was the Bok find of the season. He's bloody fast, and bloody good. But apparently, not that bloody fast! In the article below, check how fast Fassi hauled him in. Its a cliche, but there is no substitute for speed. Dyanti passed him already at pace, he turned around and set off after Dyanti from a standing start, and had already reeled him in by the 10 meter line. Damn!!!! Talk about a future prospect!!! 


https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/CurrieCup/watch-you-thought-aphiwe-dyantyi-was-the-fastest-player-in-sa-think-again-20181022

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Oct 2018, 11:43
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22 Oct 2018, 11:43#2

Ja, that was spectacular to watch.

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
22 Oct 2018, 11:47
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22 Oct 2018, 11:47#3
I only saw bits and pieces of that game and as a result I missed this little gem. I am actually quite surprised that nobody here picked up on it. Also, after hauling Dyanti in, he still made the tackle, even with Dyanti trying his best to step him. I have not seen this guy play before and I know nothing about him, so I know I should not get too excited, but he is a decent size (Bigger than Dyanti), can seemingly tackle.....and is F***ing fast! 
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
22 Oct 2018, 12:49
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22 Oct 2018, 12:49#4

Great watch, important to note though that Dyanti had been on the field for the whole game at this point and Fassi was fairly fresh – regardless to gun down Dyanti like that you need to have some serious, serious pace – only 20 too as well isn’t he?


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 13:15
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22 Oct 2018, 13:15#5

APD

Youi must realize you are entering the arena of prejudicial attacks on players which members do not like.   I do not really take too seriously what members say, especially when attacking players and trying to undermine their abilities.  

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
22 Oct 2018, 13:18
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22 Oct 2018, 13:18#6
60 minutes into a game a winger should still easily be able to reach top speed. Another thing I find a little alarming is the fact that the Lions had a support runner out right, if Dyanti had passed to him it would have been a guaranteed try, yet he seemed oblivious of his presence. I guess it comes down to Dyanti simply not expecting anyone to catch him, so he was not paying attention to his support runners . Lessons learned hopefully. 
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
22 Oct 2018, 13:19
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22 Oct 2018, 13:19#7
Mikey, did you post this response on the correct thread? Nobody has attacked any player on this thread. 
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kingcornPro3,695 posts
22 Oct 2018, 15:05
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22 Oct 2018, 15:05#8

I managed to watch the 2nd half of this game. The lions seem to have found a good rhythm and managed to claw back some points. But the general play was extremely poor. To much throwing around trying to play expansive. 

The quality of the game was that of a club match, nowhere near Super rugby quality. I won't get too excited about these guys. 

Dyanti seem to hit a bit of speed wobble in his legs or maybe hit a heavy patch of grass at kings park. 

But Fassi was quick though, lets hope he gets some chances next year in SR15. Would love to see him catch some high balls under pressure and make some one on one head on tackles against bigger South Sea islanders. Our quotas always seem to struggle to stand up and gets easily bumped off. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Oct 2018, 15:11
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22 Oct 2018, 15:11#9

We'll see what Fassi can do, our fastest players seldom produce. We already have a fast attack, so if he can contribute, that'll add some nice depth.

EDIT: I just looked this kid up. Very sleight frame. Around the 70kg mark. Will he be able to cope with physicality? Looks like Nokwe II.

@KingKorn: I've watched a few Currie Cup games now, and I'm not at all impressed by the quality. This is by no means a definitive measure of talent. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
22 Oct 2018, 15:23
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22 Oct 2018, 15:23#10
Tinderai Chavanga and Jongi Nokwe were also lightning fast. Bryan Habana and Ray Mordt were also lightning fast. Spot the difference?
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sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
22 Oct 2018, 16:07
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22 Oct 2018, 16:07#11

Given his pace, he may already be due a Bok call up. No substitute for raw pace, and by looks of the early footage he can play rugby. 

He is playing inside centre, flyhalf and fullback in this video.                                                 

Nice person to have on the bench as a utility player....

I would call him up to the Bok Squad, just to get him into the environment- and a possible dark horse for the world cup.

Fassi has experience at 10, 12 and wing. He is hardly just a 7's style of winger that can only finish tries. He can create and finish tries.






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CeradynePro9,374 posts
22 Oct 2018, 16:17
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22 Oct 2018, 16:17#12
“No substitute for raw pace.....” If that was true, why do Nokwe and Chavhanga have less than ten test caps between the two of them?
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
22 Oct 2018, 16:19
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22 Oct 2018, 16:19#13
..... and if nothing beats raw pace, where is Senatla?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2018, 16:23
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22 Oct 2018, 16:23#14
Already posted and discussed under "Too much Fas".....a take off on Stransky's "Too much Gas".
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sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
22 Oct 2018, 16:31
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22 Oct 2018, 16:31#15
@Ceradunce, you have taken half the sentence..... If you are going to quote, take the whole quote. This guy is much more physical than the other 3 players you mention. 
Chavanga although was good, he was too injury prone. He still holds the record for the most tries by a Springbok in one match. It may even be the world record for one player in a game. (at least at the William Web Ellis). 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
22 Oct 2018, 16:39
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22 Oct 2018, 16:39#16
"Tinderai Chavanga and Jongi Nokwe were also lightning fast.

Bryan Habana and Ray Mordt were also lightning fast.

Spot the difference?"
I can see where you're going with this Ceradunce and I'm guessing the answer you're expecting is that the first two failed at test level while the second two were world-class test stars . . . but there's another significant difference and that is Habana and Mordt weren't actually that quick . . . certainly not "lightning fast".
Okay, Habana might have been lightning fast as a youngster but not really after he bulked up so much which is when he scored the majority of his test tries.
Habana relied more on his acceleration over the 1st 10 metres and his excellent reading of the game while Mordt relied pretty much on upper body strength. Neither had particularly impressive top end speed.
Like Habana, Aphiwe Dyantyi is amazingly quick off the mark and gets to his top speed very quickly but that top speed isn't fantastic by international standards.
All goes to show that speed isn't everything . . . even for a winger . . . and along with sheer speedsters like Doug Howlett, Lwazi Mvovo and Jonny May there will always be a place for nippy smaller guys like Habana, Jason Robinson and Shane Williams just as there will always be a place for power wingers like Mordt, George North and Jonah Lomu.
Once in a blue moon you get someone who has it all . . . explosiveness off the mark, exceptional top speed and great power. Rupeni Caucaunibuca was such a player. What a great pity he didn't have more of an international career. Joe Rocokoco in his prime was another. Of the current wingers I reckon Rieko Ioane is probably the closest to being the complete package.
PS When discussing fast wingers I'm excluding some of those insanely fast USA Sevens players like Perry Baker and Carlin Isles.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2018, 17:04
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22 Oct 2018, 17:04#17
'Habana relied more on his acceleration over the first 10 metres'.....gosh. 'I reckon Rieko is probably closest to being the complete package'.....man that's some insight. Is it too late to congratulate you? Pablum. Best just stick to stirring Star-tung.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Oct 2018, 18:18
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22 Oct 2018, 18:18#18

Chavangha scored 6 ties against Uruguay in the 134-3 demolition of 2005. The Boks scored 21 tries in total. Those were his only tries in his 4 test appearance. Nothing against New Zealand in the same year, nothing in the two tests against Wales in 2008.

In that video, the defence was absolutely shocking. He did look like he has a good boot, maybe some good passing skills. He has spacial awareness that Damian lacks. 

Looks like a 15 year old Pogba on the move. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Oct 2018, 18:38
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22 Oct 2018, 18:38#19

Guys...Dayimani

100+kg and 10.4

Much better chance to break a tackle and if he does there's very few that'll catch him.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Oct 2018, 18:58
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22 Oct 2018, 18:58#20

Looks closer to the JP type, bodywise. I'll check him out. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Oct 2018, 21:28
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22 Oct 2018, 21:28#21
I saw this kid playing 10 for Dale last year on live stream and thought wow what a talent. It was one of the schools rugby festivals and he was by far the best player on show. A real talent - I wondered why he had been moved to wing or 15 now I know. He says he wants to play 15, which is good as we lack depth there.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Oct 2018, 23:52
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22 Oct 2018, 23:52#22

I could see that kind of running from 15. It'll be interesting to see how he progresses. All the best to him. 

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
23 Oct 2018, 08:55
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23 Oct 2018, 08:55#23
I have now watched a couple of videos of him on youtube, and he is not just a fast player. He apparently has decent kicking skills and a bit of vision as well. I think 15 would be ideal for him. Early days, but he is an exciting prospect. 
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
23 Oct 2018, 09:47
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23 Oct 2018, 09:47#24

@Ceradyne...

"no sub for raw pace"

I think that comment was made in a general sense.

Because someone makes a general statement, doesnt mean you need to shoot him down.

Obviously the guy also needs a rugby brain and some brawn to make those big hits...

but out and out pace is in a general sense.... the most vital commodity for a great winger.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Oct 2018, 16:00
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23 Oct 2018, 16:00#25
Well another way to look at that is.....if a group of test wingers all satisfy threshold levels of pace, strength, handling, kicking and vision......which attribute is likely to characterize the most successful. I would suggest vision.....and I'd offer Campesi, Shane Williams, Jason Robinson, Elliott Daily and Dyantyi as examples.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Oct 2018, 18:08
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23 Oct 2018, 18:08#26

There are a few skills needed. Pace is one of them . Can't believe how this discussion turned out. The incident in discussion had a few aspects, pace being one. Tackling a Bok winger another...getting up immediately,  summing up the situation, picking up the ball and counter attacking in one smooth process was fantastic to watch. Definitely worth another look. Looking for reasons to dismiss him from the get go is plain short sighted...and that's being polite.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Oct 2018, 03:47
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24 Oct 2018, 03:47#27

I'm not trying to dismiss him, but too often highlight videos are made up of huge defensive lapses. The defence was extraordinarily poor. A C- defensive pressure would have caused many more problems. So the question becomes, what can he do in the face of a strong defence? What is the potential for him to exert his running ability against a physical rush? What kind of decision making does he have? How can he bring teammates into the game? Can he direct play? Can he manage a game with the boot? Can he defend? What's he like under the high ball? These questions aren't answered in this video. 

He has speed, but at the pro level everyone has speedy players. I credited him for his spacial awareness. Something many of our players lack. It's very early days. It all depends on how he grows physically and mentally. I hope he succeeds, I would never hope a player fails. The more talent we have the better.

We must be careful when building youngsters up, as our ignorant media creates reputations that these players can't match. We end up selecting reputations, not players. This needs to be kept in check at all times. Our rugby community has a Barabus fetish. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Oct 2018, 06:30
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24 Oct 2018, 06:30#28

Fair enough. To be honest, that's all I have seen from him. Nice to see, but that's all ATM.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
25 Oct 2018, 13:06
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25 Oct 2018, 13:06#29

We all seem to agree that Aphiwe Dyantyi was the Bok find of the season.


Who is that we, certainly not the SA player who took the first opportunity in the last game to ram that so called find into the ground.


SA people on this board have obviously no troubles in denying the most obvious thing.

The thing is that SA rugby will never grow half of a decent rugby player out of the main population.

All of them are quota players.


Terminate rugby in SA.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
25 Oct 2018, 13:06
#30
25 Oct 2018, 13:06#30

We all seem to agree that Aphiwe Dyantyi was the Bok find of the season.


Who is that we, certainly not the SA player who took the first opportunity in the last game to ram that so called find into the ground.


SA people on this board have obviously no troubles in denying the most obvious thing.

The thing is that SA rugby will never grow half of a decent rugby player out of the main population.

All of them are quota players.


Terminate rugby in SA.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Oct 2018, 13:14
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25 Oct 2018, 13:14#31

Whatever...

DAYIMANI 

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
25 Oct 2018, 18:59
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25 Oct 2018, 18:59#32

The next quota wonder to be lodged in the backline from a rugby that has yet to find out how to initiate back line play...


So many of them when SA rugby will never produce one single half decent rugby player from the core population.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Oct 2018, 20:47
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25 Oct 2018, 20:47#33
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Oct 2018, 22:42
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25 Oct 2018, 22:42#34
Traditionalist - I don’t know you nor would I want but what the fuck is your pathetic agenda? Here is some advice it’s simple really, find a gun, load it, put the barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger PRICK
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