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Ardie Savea has a way to go yet; by Gregor Paul. NZ Herald

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
01 Nov 2016, 14:13
#1
01 Nov 2016, 14:13#1

The sub-text to Ardie Savea's début test season has been hard to miss. The All Blacks coaching team love his athleticism, speed, instincts and ball playing, but they feel he has a way to go yet in the physical stakes.

Savea has all the bravery in the world. He puts himself in the right places and does all the right things but at 103kg, he's a fraction lighter than the coaches would like him to be.

They feel he needs to have more weight to be truly effective. And by weight, they mean more lean muscle to bump him up to around 106k-108kg. If he can add that to his frame, then he should become that little bit more prominent and possibly dominant.

He's not there yet which is why he's spent more time on the bench than he has starting this year. Right now he's better suited to the bench where his speed and skills can be his most prominent weaponry in the final quarter when games are more open.

When there is space to exploit, few forwards can do it as well as Savea.

He becomes another back when the game is flowing - a link man, linebreaker and finisher.

When he has started, he's played well but struggled just a bit to impose himself over the ball and knock ball runners back in the tackle.

With Sam Cane now fully recovered and Matt Todd having proven himself beyond all expectation in the last few tests, it's not easy to guess how much game time Savea will see on this trip.

It may be though, given his workload already for both the Hurricanes and All Blacks, that Savea is used sparingly on this trip. That shouldn't be seen as a sign of anything other than the coaches being wary of burning out a young athlete.

Cane will presumably take back possession of the No 7 jersey this Saturday against Ireland and the selectors will have to weigh up whether there is room on the bench for a specialist No 7.

They may, in light of the injuries to Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick, want a specialist lock as cover on the bench. If they do want another seven on reserve, the selectors will have to decide whether they want to inject the physicality of Todd or the speed of Savea.

Ireland are a bruising team and while Savea brings a point of difference from the bench, there is a risk that because of the probable physical nature of the tests, the All Blacks will still be in a dog fight come the final quarter and need to replace abrasive players with abrasive players.

The coaches also have Savea's longevity to think about. The impacts in test football are huge. The toll it can take on an openside flanker is significant and the battering they take is relentless.

Savea needs more on his frame to act as protection and above all else, greater size, as long as it doesn't compromise his natural gifts, should help him become more confident.

That's his goal on this tour - to make improvements on his work around the tackled ball.

"I'm just worrying about my role as a seven in the team - around the breakdown, being stronger over that and with me getting heavier it will help me move bodies and be stronger over the ball," he says.

The question now is how quickly can he develop what he needs? It has been a work in progress all year but he says it is proving far from easy.

Other players may like his problem - which is he is not prone to putting in weight easily.

"It is hard, somehow I eat so much but still stay the same but I am working on it. I am working hard with the nutritionist and finding ways to put on that weight," he says.


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
01 Nov 2016, 14:15
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01 Nov 2016, 14:15#2
 Glad the ABs assess talent such as A. Savea and have a plan for his development that doesn't destroy him for short term gain. Boks should do the same for PSDT and others.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Nov 2016, 18:58
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01 Nov 2016, 18:58#3
I became an Ardie believer when he ran down Paul Jordan from behind....Jordaan might not be a test calibre centre, but he certainly is fast. 
You are right JW, Stephanie could do with 5 kgs of muscle. By contrast Jaco Kriel at 27 looks fully loaded at 100kgs on his smallish frame.  
Kriel is very tough to put away high, he has great shoulder into the tackle technique. But Savea is faster and a naturally bigger man. I'm not sure about the added weight, it could detract from his explosiveness. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
01 Nov 2016, 19:09
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01 Nov 2016, 19:09#4
Mozart, yes adding the weight, even if its muscle, doesn't alays get positive results on balance. I think it was joe Rokokoko who was told to gain weight & he lost a step as a result. The weight gain will be gradual for Ardie so they will be able to measure & monitor its effect on his game. Boks should do the same for. PSDT & Kriel.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,263 posts
01 Nov 2016, 20:05
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01 Nov 2016, 20:05#5
A good player but he certainly needs to consider getting a haircut. Maybe then he would be a starter?
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
01 Nov 2016, 23:26
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01 Nov 2016, 23:26#6
 Nah the hair makes the opposition laugh and while they do that hes gone ! Zoom!See ya !Wouldnt wanna be ya !
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Nov 2016, 02:00
#7
02 Nov 2016, 02:00#7
 Just a poor imitation of Daffy's haircut
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,263 posts
02 Nov 2016, 02:09
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02 Nov 2016, 02:09#8
 


KI
KiwinOzNewbie3 posts
02 Nov 2016, 06:39
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02 Nov 2016, 06:39#9
Does anyone know a good live streaming site for the all blacks vs ireland game in Chicago on Sunday?  Cheers
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Nov 2016, 09:06
#10
02 Nov 2016, 09:06#10
 I like Ardie's do. Makes him look like a cannibal coming to supper.
All he needs is a bone through the nose.


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Nov 2016, 09:08
#11
02 Nov 2016, 09:08#11
 So Kriel is suddenly a tough man to put away, huh?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahhaaaa!!!



AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
02 Nov 2016, 11:42
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02 Nov 2016, 11:42#12
 @kiwinOz,

welcome to the site and here's a site where you can usually watch any rugby match:

http://livetv.sx/eng/allupcomingsports/33/

KI
KiwinOzNewbie3 posts
02 Nov 2016, 14:18
#13
02 Nov 2016, 14:18#13
Choice thanks bro 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Nov 2016, 14:37
#14
02 Nov 2016, 14:37#14
 Welcome KiwinOz.
Here's another link that will show the games closer to game time.
http://gofirstrow.eu/sport/rugby.html
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Nov 2016, 16:57
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02 Nov 2016, 16:57#15
Poor old Carbuncle, it has to be black and white for you. Of course Kriel is a great runner in space, nobody has ever questioned that. The point is that's not the main function of an opensider....ruggedness over the ball is that function, hard to bring when you weigh 97kgs.
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