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Are some incorrectly valuing the Boks

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Sept 2015, 21:13
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02 Sept 2015, 21:13#1
We have Dr Mozzz being very satisfied with things and ou maaaikie hopelessly pessimistic and joined in this by ou snapster. Beeno of course has not lost the way seeing the problems but also realising the squad could still produce a good side provded wee matfiled is dropped.Ex Sport 24

Cape Town – You just sense on street corners that the broad national psyche, for a variety of reasons, isn’t the greatest right now.

Subconsciously, perhaps it has played its part in an unusually modest level of public confidence (and some outright scorn) in the Springboks – still the team with the best strike rate for winning it – going all the way to World Cup glory this year. (please note kbbs!!!)

On a purely form-related basis, it is understandable that sentiment leans toward the cautious: the Boks have chosen this inconvenient year to have one of their least productive Test campaigns on paper in the lead-up, with just one victory from four matches.

That is an uncharacteristically lean return for them.

But a good part of me nevertheless wonders whether Heyneke Meyer’s charges aren’t being judged too severely on one genuine horror show, that first-time (37-25) loss to Argentina in Durban which many considered the on-switch for some kind of Bok Armageddon.(Yes give the huge role played by a b ent ref!!)

It was, indeed, a terrible display: South Africa simply didn’t pitch up mentally, physically or in terms of intended structural and tactical templates. Their defence was arguably more lackadaisical than in any prior Test match of Meyer’s almost four-year tenure.(Twaddle of course)

Subsequently, smoke signals have emerged – former coach Nick Mallett has been among those punting them -- suggesting that the lethargy and all-round shambles on that occasion was at least partly attributable to an ill-advised move on the part of the Bok coaching staff in putting them through some particularly murderous conditioning in the lead-up.

Of course some element of that fitness drive, if true, seemed justifiable, given that the Boks had appeared to fatally fade as the sands trickled out in the successive earlier losses to Australia and New Zealand.(Because of weak subs due to high injury rate!! Wake up ya dope)

Yet the fact still remains that for the lion’s share of both those matches, the Springboks had either dominated (Australia) or at very least gone toe to toe (New Zealand) for the biggest portions of the 80 minutes each time. (Correct and it took again two bent refs to give the game to the down under sides)

Botching those games against such traditional southern foes on the scoreboard was galling and frustrating; I’m not denying that. A killer instinct, particularly against the Wallabies, was absent.

But I’m also very much with those among the rugby intelligentsia (how much intellignce do you need to recognise this - although of course many here didnt!!!) in this country who saw enough in both Brisbane and Johannesburg to suggest the Boks stay closer than others will credit to the top of the global pile in sheer ability terms.

It is also possible that some South Africans have read too much into the country’s unfamiliar regression to fourth on the world rankings, from an almost permanent berth somewhere amidst the top three. (Please note snapster and ou maaaikie!)

Personally, I often find national rankings odious and largely irrelevant – not just in rugby – with dubious mathematics and logic applied and populism as the primary aim. The World Cup may well establish a more fitting order, in several instances.

The hullabaloo over selection for the 31-strong party (though when since the Pienaar-Strauss conundrum ahead of our 1995 RWC debut hasn’t there been widespread dissent?) has also done little to crank up widespread, positive public expectation. 9Please note Dr Mozzz the reaction has been largely negatxive and rightly so!)

Once again, though, so much of this – especially in the age of rampant, reflex and stabbing social media – probably gets more attention than it really deserves.

Like it or not, 31 men are now earnestly preparing for a World Cup, and sideshows mercifully be damned.

Prejudice and raw hatred abounds from all angles, though I have been particularly irked by the way someone like unexpected pick Rudy Paige has been demonised, whether intentionally or not.

Only in South Africa could the (likely) third option at scrumhalf earn such an outbreak of hysteria on front pages of newspapers and elsewhere.(correct since it was a race based selection - front up dope we all know there were quota requirements forced on meyer - that is why there was an oiutcry on this and other seelctions PLUS bad selections like wee matfiled)

Yes, he is uncapped and that is less than ideal, but it is also ridiculous and insulting to suggest he is “only” there because of the requirements of transformation; people have dreadfully short memories.

He has previously brought necessary stability to the No 9 berth at Super Rugby level to the Bulls, during periods when the talented Francois Hougaard has occasionally drifted into a bit of a “headless chicken” mode tactically.

The man many thought would be the additional Bok scrumhalf on the plane, Cobus Reinach, also falls more into the mercurial, unpredictable category of halfback ... I have never felt with huge conviction, over the course of his 10 Bok caps (just three starts), that he absolutely “belongs” yet in green and gold.

At 25, Reinach is well young enough to challenge for another RWC in 2019, especially if he can add to his gifts in athleticism and elusiveness more of a game-managing nous.

He is a bit unlucky, that’s all. That is a time-honoured hallmark of team sport.

Here’s another thing: go through the names of players who have been part of prior Bok World Cup squads – especially the problematic 2003, SA’s worst by a distance – and you will find scores of representatives (the majority of whom happen not to be players of colour) who were very questionably worth their spots then and quickly retreated to international anonymity after the tournament.

The spine of the 2015 Bok team still looks a stiff one, particularly given the positive medical reports earlier this week – though seeing is believing! -- suggesting they will finally have the luxury of a full house of squad members available for selection from the outset.      

This is by no means intended as a lopsided rah-rah in Bok favour for the looming event.

My solid favourites for the Webb Ellis Cup -- surprise, surprise – remain a certain black-jerseyed crew.(ALSO A BUNCH OF OLD HACKS.  IF THEY WIN IT WILL ONLY BE A REFLECTIO OF HOW POOR THEW TEAMS ARE AND THE BOKS IN PARTICULAR!)


But I reckon the Boks are worth a cheeky little flutter. Warts and all, they’re potentially still right up there with the best of the rest for RWC 2015.

Just a little luck and dogged unity may propel them a long, long way. 


Snap up a few of these shares, while they’re down.

OAK WHAT NWE NEED ARE FAIR REFS, MEYER GETTING HIS SELECTIONS RIGHT AND HIS STRATEGY RIGHT. ITS POSIBLE BUT OUR CHANCES ARE NOT WHAT THEY SHOULD BE HAD WE HAD AN INTELLIGENT APPROACH TO THIS WOLRD CUP -, NO QUOTAS, SENSIBLE SELECTIONS AND LESS INJURIES.


BEENO SUMMING UP THE SITUATIOIN LIKE NO OTHER CAN! 

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Sept 2015, 22:06
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02 Sept 2015, 22:06#2
 Beeno: please take your meds
Also, please use the following avatar as it explains a lot about some of your beefy boks. No doubt Mozart will point out the skinny ankles & wrists will result in injuries.
 Etzabeth avatar(before & after):
Steroids, what steroids? 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
02 Sept 2015, 23:53
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02 Sept 2015, 23:53#3
 Good one JW .....lumpy blaming the refs again " oh no its the refs fault oh so ter rible how those refs keep robbing us blah blah blah ..."You want the ref to score tries and kick penalties for ya too dopey ?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Sept 2015, 00:16
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03 Sept 2015, 00:16#4
Actually ankles, wrists and sadly waists all thicken up after 30.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Sept 2015, 00:55
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03 Sept 2015, 00:55#5
 Beeno 
The article you quoted have some valid points - BUT the heading - which you left out does not paint such a confident picture.   The heading reads as follows:-
We may be undervaluing Boks
If the writer had any real confidence in what he is writing the heading would not read as is stated above it would read -
We are undervaluing Boks
"MAY BE" is no confidence boosting mechanism.   It indicates uncertainty about the real message that he is trying to convey.
Meyer may be able to salvage something by making sure he picks the right team playing in matches.  Alberts and Matfield should be kept as far as possible away from the playing team and De Villiers should be used as carefully as possible - at best not as a center and better still to be used as a bench player - not a starter.  The scrummie issue is a real problem case though.  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Sept 2015, 07:15
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03 Sept 2015, 07:15#6
 JW that picture clearly represents a wee ab looking up in awe to a mighty Bok like Etzebeth. The abs lack confidence in themselves knowing they have litte chance unless they work diligently at cheating and ensuring the aid of bent refs. Beeno stating the obvious for the benefit of bent kiwis - kiwis are naturally bent and hence the amrvel that is Justin Marshall. 

Ou warped DUD is grunting about something but lets let the oak be no use reasoning with this neanderathal!
Mike and Moz your two extreme views need modificatiuon and hopefully we will hear more sense from you both going forward! A vain hope i would hazard!
Jw, Moz wouldnt point out anything like that about skinny ankles as he would point to pap victor who seldoms if ever gets injured. However skinny ankles etc would normally result in injury but in wee matfiled's case doesnt simply because he does so very little on the field IF you watch what he actually does and certainly avoids the tough physical stuff like the plague.
Beeno providing the ne cessary guidance!
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