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Are the All Blacks on the Decline? http://www.stuff.co.nz/

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
13 Aug 2014, 05:35
#1
13 Aug 2014, 05:35#1

Are the All Blacks on the Decline?

 

After four consecutive victories at the Junior World Cup, the Baby Blacks have lost the previous three tournaments, one of them at home.

They didn't even make the final on two of those occasions.

Sam Whitelock, Aaron Cruden, Julian Savea and Brodie Retallick all came from the previous teams of winning Baby Blacks, along with six other players busting to make their way into the current first team.

But the next wave doesn't look so formidable, not unless you're South African or English.

The Black Ferns just lost to Ireland at the Women's World Cup, the first time they have lost a pool game since 1991.

It didn't get too much coverage in New Zealand.

It is best to airbrush these things out of history.

It's been a pretty dire few weeks.

The Crusaders lost in the final of the Super 15, a competition that only the Chiefs have won for New Zealand since 2008. And, after four consecutive victories at the Commonwealth Games, New Zealand lost in the 2014 final to South Africa. Not only did they lose, but they scraped past Scotland earlier in the comp and made some huge mental blunders in the final.

They came home sucking lemons, having seriously tarnished New Zealand's reputation

 

Alasdair Reid, a fair-minded man, wrote: "New Zealand brought an unbeaten record that stretched back 16 years and encompassed four gold medals at previous Games, but they also brought a bad attitude and some pretty cynical procedures. Nobody wants powder-puff rugby, but their harshness went too far. Against Scotland they had two players yellow-carded for professional fouls, then made things worse by putting one of them back on before he had served his time in the sinbin. (Blame the Referee, Beeno would be proud)......

Against them the Springboks put up the magnificent Cecil Afrika, a player with joy in every stride."

 

Gordon Tietjens' men were a let-down.

 

They were cynical at times. They made stupid mental errors. They lost composure in the big moments.

 

And when they lost, they looked like they were sucking on lemons. It was a sight that gave the rest of the world strength.

 

For all these reasons, McCaw's men need to play like only they can at the weekend.

 

Again the world will be watching.

 

They saw a virtual England "B" team run New Zealand close.

 

They see Richie slowing, Carter crocked again, Tony Woodcock holding his back and the terrible worries about Kieran Read's recent history of concussion.

 

And they start to wonder as we swing towards World Cup year.

 

Are the All Blacks losing it?

 It happens to the greatest, so why an All Black team with average forwards?

 

Just look at Tiger Woods. The great golfer couldn't beat five club pros at last week's PGA Championship.

 

He clutched his back, complained of stiffness and said he couldn't get through the ball.

 

Phil Mickelson said, "I didn't really notice that. I just noticed that really on the greens the ball wasn't going in the hole."

 

"Ooh, cut," as my son would say. Tiger used to own Mickelson when they were paired together.

 

He took pleasure in crushing him, and Mickelson was clearly intimidated.

 

Then two things happened.

 

Woods began to decline and Mickelson began working with Butch Harmon.

 

Tiger's old coach helped Mickelson snap Tiger's mind control.

 

A similar thing happened when Ireland played the All Blacks last year.

 

Joe Schmidt, Ireland's New Zealand coach, pulled away the Superman cape.

 

Ireland suddenly thought they could outmuscle, and even outplay, the All Blacks.

 

They did both of those things.

 

But it is one thing to know that the All Blacks are beatable, quite another to be convinced of your own ability to beat them.

 

It took Rory McIlroy a while to walk that walk.

 

But now the 25-year-old is moving like a champion.

 

The new Tiger, they are calling him.

 

Given the venues of next year's majors, I certainly wouldn't bet against McIlroy adding another couple.

 

 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
13 Aug 2014, 06:07
#2
13 Aug 2014, 06:07#2
While the All Blacks consistently produce the best backlines as evidenced by the SuperXV this year, their must be some alarm bells about the forward packs. 
Jake White commented before the quarter final against the Highlanders that any New Zealand backline SuperXV is dangerous, but their forwards can have a tendency to have soft underbellies. 
What happened to the All Black packs of the era of Sean Fitpatrick with strong ball carriers. The current forward roles focus more around being a fetcher and occasional link player, as the ball is spread from side to side by the backline.The set piece, pick and carry & driving play is avoided like the plague, and when is does happen the ball is shunted out to the backs right away. 
If the forwards are tired out at the start of the game with forward trench warfare, they become less effective at the breakdown. This leaves their backs vulnerable to turn overs and with less space to counter attack from.
 It will be interesting to see how all the teams play against the ABS this year.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2014, 06:43
#3
13 Aug 2014, 06:43#3
It's interesting to read this particular slant. But I'm not convinced for two reasons
The AB forwards have so often found a way to confound their critics. It happened when they hammered us at the2003 RWC and it happened again when the Saders forwards dominated a Bok festooned Sharks pack a few weeks back.
They have enough good forwards to be very good at test level, even if they are inconsistent at S 15 level....much like we find enough test quality backs. And the technical knowledge in the NZ system is excellent.
The second reason I'm not convinced is a lot happens after junior level. Better coaching, better conditioning and natural maturation makes for a different player three years on. And then there is the import pipeline, from other codes and the Islands. Something we don't have.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
13 Aug 2014, 06:45
#4
13 Aug 2014, 06:45#4
 Lol if the All Blacks are declining what does that say about the current boks or wallabies who can't beat them? Based on the same logic SA have a great set piece, and tight five, shouldn't they be easily beating nz? I don't think using the junior world cup is a great example, some of the great all blacks like Josh Kronfeild and Ian Jones never played Under 20's. I don't think NZ are declining other teams are catching up, it is up to NZ to get better. But seeing how NZ physically monstered SA at the breakdown and in the tight five last, year it is not because of our "weak" forwards.
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
13 Aug 2014, 07:32
#5
13 Aug 2014, 07:32#5
 If all this talk of the ABs declining makes you feel better about your chances of beating them go for it. With Rory McIlroy at fly half and Phil Mickelson at lock the All blacks won't stand a chance against the Boks . I will reserve my judgement on them at least until Saturday night.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Aug 2014, 12:17
#6
13 Aug 2014, 12:17#6
 The journalsit is of course spot on. The kiwis forardsare pretty pap.Dr Mozzzzzzzzz is totally confused. He must really wonder how the Sharks beat the crusties with 13 men and indeed the aberaartion where the pap sharks forards beat the warts etc. It would appear he has no clue as to the reason behind the very poor performance of the entire sharks team!
The wee abs pack is not up to it. Many of their victories are RAWs. Their backline has performed well but with defences improving they are in trouble. There is however nothing extraordianry about their backs - they just play smart. But dont tell me carol jane conrad carthorse, crude, smith etc are world beaters. 
Thwir essential problem is that using refs to win games is earning them a bad name and the tide will turn.
Theit tight five si not adequate so they have to strengthen their loose trio with bigger slower men. However that doent suit their netball rugby.
There is a list of sides that were denied the victory after outplaying the wee abs. This simply cant continue.
The kiwis have tried every foul trick in the book to win but things are catching up with them.Kiwis are hanging on to some over the hill players as we all should know.
For our part we continue to be plagued by the presence of victor. What should be happening is the Boks selecting the most powerful and also mobile tight five in work rugby. Then we should be selecting a more mobile loose trio that excludes Alberts. A simple tweak that will work wonders. Two genuine locks like Etzebeth and Loodt.
How long must matfiled sabatage the Boks is the question. Meyer wake up!
It's good to read a journalist with his finger on the pulse. 
England B didnt run the abs close they were robbed by RAWs. It's a complete disgrace!
Our two 2013 losses to the abs were RAWs. And of course who will forget how the Boks dominated the wee abs in Dunedin only to lose through a shocking goal kicking performance. Ireland really deserved to win their match and France came oh so close.
Away with the kiwi netballers, away with RAWs! Let's get a truly deserving side winning the RC. No more kiwi burglars stealing the trophy!
Go the Wobblies take these wee abs and their arrogant fans down a peg or two! 





AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
13 Aug 2014, 18:25
#7
13 Aug 2014, 18:25#7
 mr. Beeno,
You need professional help.

When your hate to NZ and the AB distort in this way your appreciation of the reality, there's no other way out.
And we need a rest from reading everyday the same retarded shit that you post once and again.
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
14 Aug 2014, 00:52
#8
14 Aug 2014, 00:52#8

 Hasbeeno, it's time to stop cutting and pasting the same old repetitive crap mate.

If the ABs have 'RAWs' then the Boks surely must have what's known as "RALs"!

Witness last year's Ellis Park test where the ref very kindly put 2 ABs in the bin for you and the result must surely have gone down as a "Referee Assisted Loss". Included in that RAL was the shoulder charge of The Beast into the side of St Richie's head which the officials somehow thought was not worthy of a yellow card. You will see my point if you are an honest chap!

That's if you are honest....

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
14 Aug 2014, 01:06
#9
14 Aug 2014, 01:06#9
 Actually this article is by Mark Reason who has lived for the day that the ABs are taken down a peg or two. I think he's the son of John Reason who used to write this same old yarn about the ABs being on the brink in a British Sunday paper. I think the Reasons are distant relatives of the Hasbeeno family....
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Aug 2014, 11:38
#10
14 Aug 2014, 11:38#10
 Great article and lots of reason shown.
Dont shoot the messenger kbbs. Try and improve your rugby and not depend on RAWs.
At least England B now also know about RAWs first hand.
Cloudy I always feel better when putting kbbs right. It's hard though when having to deal with oaks like ab ass, 3 IQ and moooo la  They just don't have a clue.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Aug 2014, 11:39
#11
14 Aug 2014, 11:39#11
 P lease add in JW as one having no clue! Sorry JW almost forgot you.
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