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Are the oaks seeing things clearly

Started by Beeno16 REPLIES132 VIEWS· 24 Aug 2014, 21:03
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Aug 2014, 21:03
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24 Aug 2014, 21:03#1

I almost put a question mark after the thread title but its so obvious the oaks have no clue when it comes to understanding the Bok match versus the argies.

Gonzo (Card) was however right in saying the Argies on this form would have beaten the Aussies. They would also have beaten  the abs but for a lack of fitness. Would probably be ahead till say 60 minutes. So give credit to the argies who unfortunately have some a few injuries and dont have great depth - making it easier for the wee abs etc


But what the oaks are missinhg here, as a direct consequence of their very limited rugby acumen, is that the Boks blew the Argies away in about 20 minutes of playing some decent rugby. JW and the kbbs please note.


About the scrums there has to be some trickery going on. I noted last week that immense rugby brain Dr Brendon Venter stating the Argies were scrumming illegally at Loftus. Doubtless there was some skullduggery going on once more. The kbbs and wobblies fans must note the Bok scrum has consistently been better than theirs so there is no room for crowing. One hopes all comes to the light like kiwi red zone infringements . Bwahhahahahahahaha


I suggested that this match was going to be a stern test and so it proved (Beeno ever the realist!) Illiegal scrumming or not what was a clear as daylight (Although a certain Dr got it hoplessly wrong) was that Beast, Strauss and Malherbe were far better (Than the starting formation). Beast not giving an inch and Malherbe incorrectly penalised in one scrum but not going backwards in one of the repeated scrums prior to the incorrect penalty.


Bissie and Jannie though played in all the Sharks Super 15 games and are shot.

Strauss was far better than Bissie. Juan was mediocre and Coetzee a vast improvement. 


Etzebeth was great and to think this is only his second match back outstanding. Loodt was acceptable and far better than wee matfield could ever be in a tough match. Could Willemse have been better is the question?


An opportunity to play an atatcking scrummie like Reinach was lost. Pollard was very sound and just needs time to assert himself more. Allende was okay but please oak dont go making decent runs and then lose the ball. A player for the future. Jean is not yet back to his best yet but that was to be expected.


Wings were okay and Willie good.

Selecting the side to play OIz should be easier for Meyer. We have now a tighthead problem if Malherbe is out. Any news?


While the wee abs had a flattering win against Oz - given the non appearance of oz - the Boks had a true test and their character shined through. It took 20

minutes o Bok rugby to blow the Argies away.

We desparately need a backline coach - the argies showed a lot more skill. Ours performance was so raw.

Well done Bokke we are proud that you made a way to win as close as it was. 

It's onwards and upwards from here injuries and refs permitting.


Walsh was fine and no complaints. Shows you a kiwi can ref if he has a mind to. A few errors and missed a few things but no apparent bias.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Aug 2014, 21:08
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24 Aug 2014, 21:08#2
Thanks Beeno but once you have actually watched the game we would appreciate you editing your post. Cheers, your mate JW
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Aug 2014, 21:16
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24 Aug 2014, 21:16#3
 Well JW how long did it take the Boks to overhaul the big Argies lead. I could be a few minutes out?Apply lonely brain cell before replying. Thanks
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Aug 2014, 21:35
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24 Aug 2014, 21:35#4
 Beeno
Illegal scrumming or not - it is not good to see a Springbok scrum going back at the pace of a jetliner.   That I believe was the main cause of what happened yesterday.   What worries me is that it was not the first time it happened and that the scrumming became more stable when Beast and Malherbe came on.   
The other thing that bothered me was the ease that Sanchez broke the line - showing a defensive problem involving our loosies and his attacks in the channel between the flyhalf and inside center.   That does not make us look acceoptable.  
There is no way that some changes are encessary if we want to be competitive in the RC.   I do not like to see players selected on reputation.  I think that there are prblems ins electing Grench Club players especailly.   For instance ever since he was selected last year Bakkies Botha was at best average  and in the main not performing on a basis acceptable from a test player.  I am afraid that was also the case with Juan Smithh yesterday.
What struck me most yesterday was the seeming ldeficiency in players in team co-rodination - for a while it looked like their were 15 individuals - not a team of 15 players.   That came right halfway through the first hallf when the players start operating as a team.
In essense I believe there are some team changes necessary and that we ,ust realize that players like Bakkies Botha, Gurthro Steenkamp and even Juanm Smith (great as they may have been in the past) is not the answer to team requirements at present. I have serious doubbts whether Matfield will produce the goods against the RC teams as well.   
However. Meyer is going to announce some squad changes I am sure and it would be interesting to see what eh comes up with.   Meyer is not going to fall fior hype and the type of jargon used on this site - he is going tos tudy performances and makes up his mind accordingly.   
  
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
24 Aug 2014, 23:46
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24 Aug 2014, 23:46#5
 Wasn't the good Dr Venter a centre?? Hardly up to him to comment on illegal scrummaging is it?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2014, 00:12
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25 Aug 2014, 00:12#6
 mooo la appears and finds another way to show his ignorance. Dr Venter was the Saracens coach and is currently still on the staff as technical director.The man moooo la  has a depth of rugby kn owledge few have. 

 
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
25 Aug 2014, 01:10
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25 Aug 2014, 01:10#7
 So what you're saying is that he's been demoted but still thinks that as a former centre he can wax lyrical about scrummaging? Don't make me laugh...
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