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Are the Stormers doomed?

Started by Beeno110 REPLIES222 VIEWS· 25 Feb 2014, 13:44
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Feb 2014, 13:44
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25 Feb 2014, 13:44#1

well according to ths article all but! Note the concern re Coetzee and Fleck. 

Ex SA Rugby Mag


Stormers coaches Robbie Fleck and Allister Coetzee

The Stormers' 34-10 loss to the Lions was their biggest defeat since 2007. As was the case in that watershed season, there could be more humiliation to come, writes JON CARDINELLI.

Jean de Villiers’s comments at Saturday’s post-match interview were damning. The Stormers captain didn’t waste any time in describing the performance as ‘disgusting’. He accused his charges of not possessing the necessary pride and desire in the jersey.

I was with De Villiers up to that point, but he got it wrong when he assigned all the blame to the men on the field.

It was a gutless showing by the men in blue, and they will have to take responsibility for that. However, if attitude reflects leadership, then it's not only the Stormers' senior players who need to be held accountable, but the men in the coaches' box as well.(Hardly a gutless performance!! They dominated territory and possession but had no attacking flair - that is the coaching)

De Villiers said that there would be more questions than answers after an abject performance at Ellis Park. My first question would be: ‘How did we not see this coming?’

The Stormers have failed to evolve since making the 2010 Super Rugby final, for reasons that have been detailed at length in this column over the past four seasons (Herein lies the probelm - a lack of brain power!!!!). After the 25-17 defeat to the Bulls in Soweto, coach Allister Coetzee promised that the Stormers would improve their kicking game and attack before the 2011 season. It’s a promise he has continued to make in 2011, 2012, and 2013.

Let’s just say that Coetzee won’t be remembered in Cape rugby circles as 'Mr Delivery'.

My major criticism of the Stormers is that they have not built on the excellent structures put in place by Rassie Erasmus in 2008. Erasmus brought experts like Jacques Nienaber to Cape Town and transformed the Stormers’ defence into the best unit in the competition. He developed a pack that would be feared and respected for their physicality. He made the Stormers a team to be proud of, no small feat considering they were a laughing stock in 2006 and 2007. (EXACTLY SO!!! pLEASE NOITE DR MOZZZZZZZ!!)

Coetzee took the reins from Erasmus in 2010, and did nothing but maintain the status quo. Initially, that seemed to be enough as the Stormers still managed to qualify for the play-offs in 2011 and 2012. But then they fell short of the top-six objective in 2013, and their stagnation was made patent. They began to regress, and there isn’t a bigger example of that regression than their most recent loss to the Lions at Ellis Park.

The Stormers haven’t suffered a defeat by more than nine points since the 29-10 semi-final loss to the Crusaders in 2011

Another pertinent question for the Stormers after that match: 'If you don’t have physicality, desire, and defence, then what exactly do you have?'

These are the qualities that have defined the team for the past six seasons. The Stormers have often offset a lack of innovation with a determination and bloody-mindedness more typical of a Test side than a regional team. Losing that, what does this current side possess?

At the end of a poor 2013 campaign, WPRFU president Thelo Wakefield said that there was no danger of the coaching staff being axed. It spoke volumes for the prevailing mediocrity at the Stormers HQ. (aNOTHER HATTER - WAKEFIELD)

And yet, I wonder how long Wakefield can continue to protect Coetzee and company. In recent years, the top brass has been content so long as the Stormers have pushed for a top-six place. But if they start to lose badly and drop down the log, heads will have to roll.

The Stormers pride themselves on their defence, and that they conceded 34 points against what is effectively a no-name Lions side is a damning indictment.

The Stormers haven’t suffered a defeat by more than nine points since the 29-10 semi-final loss to the Crusaders in 2011. And you need to go all the way back to 2007 for a losing margin in excess of 24 points.

Kobus van der Merwe’s side began that season with a 27-9 loss to the Cheetahs. They lost two of their first three matches, which were played in South Africa, and then lost three out of five on their overseas tour. This included a 36-11 thrashing at the hands of the Crusaders.

It was around this time that administrators were flown to Australasia to meet with the coaches and players. Somehow Van der Merwe retained his job for the remainder of the tour, and the season.

Even catastrophic losses to the Bulls (49-12 at Loftus Versfeld) and Sharks (36-10 at Newlands) were not enough to force the change. It was only when Van der Merwe’s Western Province lost to Boland in a Currie Cup match that Van der Merwe was shown the door.

The optimists will denounce the comparison between the side of 2007 and that of 2014. But there’s no denying that there are problems in the current set-up, and that the result this past Saturday could not be the exception this season, but the rule.

The Hurricanes showed pride and tenacity in their loss to the Sharks, and will push the Stormers close this Friday at Newlands. Even if the Stormers manage to bounce back this weekend, they will then need to negotiate an overseas tour schedule that sees them facing the Crusaders, Chiefs, Brumbies and Reds, all of whom qualified for last year's play-offs.

The Stormers needed to win and win well against the Lions to give themselves a fighting chance in this season's campaign. They’re now firmly on the back foot, and may be knocked to the canvas by the time their tour has concluded.

Change was needed in 2007, and looking back, it was probably a good thing that the Stormers struggled to such an extent. It forced the administrators to realise that something wasn't working.

Perhaps I’m the one being optimistic when I say the administrators will come to their senses and bullet the coaching staff after their inevitable failure Down Under. Maybe that will only happen post-season.

What is certain is that the Stormers will struggle to progress in their current guise, and that whether there is change or not, 2014 will be remembered as an annus horribilis for the Cape side.

Having begun the season with a 34-10 defeat to the weakest team in the tournament, some might say it already is.

Some over reaction here but we are not progressing under Wakefiled and Coetzee and that is the real problem. Hence the fact that both Mallet and Rassie walked out. Amateurs are running the show in a professional era. Very, very sad!



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Feb 2014, 13:52
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25 Feb 2014, 13:52#2
 From a Lions perrspective:

The Lions played great rugby to beat the Stormers at Ellis Park, writes MARK KEOHANE.

Wow. Wow. Wow.

This was a performance to savour. The Lions were sensational in the first 30 minutes, determined in the next 30 and mentally dominant in the final quarter. It was the type of win the franchise needed. This was no last-minute fluke. This wasn’t one gifted to Johan Ackermann’s youngsters.

This was earned and it was a win crafted through an application to the basics, through playing as a unit, and it was a win so brilliantly executed by a flyhalf who was not going to start the season at flyhalf. Elton Jantjies was the preferred option at No 10, but there will be no way back for him unless injury strikes young Marnitz Boshoff.(Please note snapster - very fortunate for the Lions how MArnitz is playing)

Sport is about nights like the one the Lions experienced at Ellis Park. There was romance to the win but there was also confirmation that David can still slay Goliath in Super Rugby.

Whatever the struggles of the Lions in the past, this was a performance to be applauded. Forget the struggles and focus on the potential of the season. Two wins from two.

Drink a toast to the Lions.

They are a team playing with passion but they are also playing with the conviction of a pre-determined plan and they certainly play for their coach.

I loved watching the game.

I expected the match to be close, given the Stormers were playing for the first time and the Lions had the advantage of last week’s 80 minutes and also playing at home. But it was never close and even when the Lions lost players to the bin they were never threatened.

The Stormers were not good but they were not allowed to be anything. To focus entirely on the ineptness of the Stormers would be to dismiss the effort of the Lions.(Truth in that.)

The victors showed character in last week’s win against the Cheetahs but in Johannesburg on Saturday night they showed all the characteristics of a team that knows how to play rugby.

The Kings a year ago were the Cinderella story of South African Super Rugby in the way they started. They too won two from three.

The difference is they played purely on emotion and the grind of the tournament killed their limited resources. The Lions have more potential and greater rugby pedigree.

They simply have to trust their belief, regardless of the results column. It was a treat to watch the hosts. It was the opposite watching a Stormers outfit that will have to improve dramatically to make the top six.

The Stormers don’t have a halfback pairing to fear but they do have a pack that should stand up to any. In Johannesburg the very respected pack came second.(Groom and grant will do better - the pack wasnot bested it was simply there was no flair) Credit for that must go to the Lions who were intense in the collisions and importantly composed in this facet of the game.

Marnitz Boshoff is on fire (BEST FLYHALF IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW). No team can defend drop goals and no team can mount a fightback when points keep coming. Boshoff’s effort reminded me of that incredible quarter of kicking from Jannie de Beer in the 1999 World Cup quarter-final against England.

The neutral will see what the Lions have done. The Stormers fan understandably won’t just yet appreciate the magnitude of the game. It was the kind of result the South African conference needed. It was the result the tournament needed.

The Stormers, under Allister Coetzee, have been a team in decline for three seasons. And their squad this season is the weakest in those three seasons.(WE NEED VENTER ETC)

The manner of defeat was disappointing, as was the attitude of players who should have no excuse for not matching the desire of the Lions.

But to harp on about the Stormers at this moment is not the story. The dissection of the performance will come in the week. For now, stand tall and applaud the Lions. They earned the right to every bit of purple prose.

My goodness they played great rugby. What a great night.

A team with no sponsor played like a team with the greatest sponsor – themselves.

Ice-cool Boshoff made big statement,

Boschoff  need only continue like this and the Bok 10 jersey is his. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Feb 2014, 17:07
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25 Feb 2014, 17:07#3

Boshoff is drop kicking Goosen into oblivion.....who would have thunk it. Goosen is finally healthy, but a small kicker takes center stage. Face it everybody loves a lover and in South Africa, everybody loves a kicker!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Feb 2014, 02:09
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26 Feb 2014, 02:09#4
Boshoff offers nothing with ball in hand, which he proved in last years CC, when Jantjies was so much better at 10 and Boshoff moved to 15.

The lad has a great boot but nothing else.......he is a better rugby player than Morne.......but no match for Goosen or Lambie as players.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2014, 03:14
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26 Feb 2014, 03:14#5

 Saffex


Are you seriously comparing the piss-poor Jantjies with Boshoff?  Boshoff is in all aspects of the game better than Jantjies and that includes ball handling, attacking the gain line himself, strategic kicking, defence - name anything and he is better than Jantjies,


Matter of fact Ackerman is not about to play Jantjies ahead of Boshoff  in  Super 15 this year - unless Boshoff gets injured.    



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2014, 03:24
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26 Feb 2014, 03:24#6
Jantjies ag no Dave, can't you let go of even this most embarrassing pick?  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Feb 2014, 15:18
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26 Feb 2014, 15:18#7

Jantjies a class act, am looking forward to his return........far better than Morne ever was and certainly a far better 10 than Boshoff.

 

 

Jantjies has flair and great attacking instincts.......Boshoff and Morne can kick and kick and kick

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2014, 17:07
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26 Feb 2014, 17:07#8
 Earl Silky Hands - what a fool we have here?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Feb 2014, 21:04
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26 Feb 2014, 21:04#9
A fit Jantjies will walk straight back into the Lions side.......he was great for them in the CC......Boshoff will move back to 15 until Andries Coetzee is fit and then I suspect Boshoff will do bench duty.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Feb 2014, 09:20
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27 Feb 2014, 09:20#10
 Bwahahahhahahaahaha ou snapsters is cracking up and the season has hardly begun.If Boshoff continues with this form the Bok 10 jersey is his.Wake up snapster you are loosing the plot!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Feb 2014, 09:45
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27 Feb 2014, 09:45#11

  Ya gotta admire the courage & independent thinking of Saffex, lol He's not one to follow the crowd.

 

But Boshoff is in great form & showing great composure. He fits the mold of what Bok teams like in a 10. Early days yet but he is one to watch.

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