Are the wee abs real title contenders for the world cup

Barring ref problems England would surely have won both tests. The Sharks beat the Crusaders their top team with 13 men!

Paddy O'Brien will not be there to arrange the refs for matches and Bryce Lawrence has long since departed. They dare not pull another stunt like they did in nz.

The wee abs pack will struggle as they lack grunt. If they bulk up the loosies then their running game falls apart. old man mcaaaw is past it and dan will problbly not be at his best. Woodie Woodcock is getting on and Mealamu is over the hill. It all start's up front and that is where the abs troubles start.

Backlines can be shut down if given ball going backwards.

Sides like the Mighty Boks know they are the better team and England and Oz have joined their ranks. Even Ireland will fancy their chances!!

Something dramatic between now and the WC needs to happen for the wee abs to be considered serious contenders.

Can the wee abs reninvent themselves? What cause for hope?

To make matters worse the Junior Boks are making a habit of clobbering the baby blacks. England's juniors also are better in recent years.

Beeno:

Please keep up your efforts to motivate the Boks & their dis-spirted "supporters". It must be discouraging to know that the ABs have won 16 games in a row and only lost one game since the 2011 RWC. BUT the RWC must remain credible so we need other teams to show up.

Don't worry we made sure that the Poms felt like they had a fighting chance in the first two tests & we will probably do the same for the Boks. No need to thank us - we do it in the best interest of the game.

Dear Cloudy (& not Noddy): I am fine & life in Poland is great! I hope you & yours are doing well also.

By the way, the innocent looking chap in the car below is not to be trusted so keep your eyes open Cloudy, lol

Beenkop why don't you concern yourself with how pathetic our Bok side is right now......one certainty is that the AB's will be in the WC final........we wont get past the quarters with Meyers geriatrics.........some advice, get your own house in order before offering a pathetic opinion on others.

Its all a little embarrassing reading your shit when the Boks are on the road to nowhere

Beenkop, not sure how you worked out that I am smarting, but no doubt its down to your stupidity?

You are delusional if you think Meyer is ever going to play Etzebeth and Lood together.......Matfield is in for the long run, get used to it   

Meyer is going backwards you clown.......you build a side with a core of experienced players and you introduce youngsters to supplement that core.........Meyer's model goes the other way......that's how stupid he is.

It started with a good blend of youth and experience, now all we see is experience and a bunch of washed up hasbeens flying the flag

Incrementally building - my arse  

Beeno: Lood is a young pup that must be managed properly. Otherwise it will be another promising lock down the tubes.

Cloudy: glad you are on the alert for Noddies but watch out for Big Ears - he could be Redsman in disguise (you will notice he normally wears a red hat)

Hendricks is average at best, JP is not a 13, the only reason Jan is starting is because Jean is injured and Frans is sulking. Jordaan was an afterthought and hardly a world beater, he wont smell the match 23 anytime this year.

Marcel has sadly now taken a back seat thanks to Meyer's policy of playing old farts. Callie got a call behind Brits thanks to Strauss and Chiliboy being in trouble......Beenkop, try keep up man.

Morne is and always will be shit. du Preez offers nothing with ball in hand, we have far better attacking 9's  

Meyer is going backwards you clown.......you build a side with a core of experienced players and you introduce youngsters to supplement that core.........Meyer's model goes the other way......that's how stupid he is.

It started with a good blend of youth and experience, now all we see is experience and a bunch of washed up hasbeens flying the flag

Incrementally building - my arse 

Geez you are a thick prick......the core of Meyers current side is not experienced, its the vast majority of his side......wake up.

Let me start by saying that JP should not be playing 13, Morne, du Preez, Pienaar, Jannie, Bakkies, Matfield, Alberts, Steenkamp, Brits, Flip, Schalk, Olivier and Mvovo should not be in the current side or side that played last week.

Players that are better than the hasbeens above are numerous........JJ Engelbrecht, Sithole, Sadie, Mapoe, Goosen, Boshoff, Hougaard, de Klerk, Reinach, v/Zyl, Kitshoff, Nkanyane, Mellett, v/d Merwe, Malherbe, Cooper, Visagie, Willemse, J.du Plessis, Lewies, Coetzee, Kolisi, Carr, Labascagne, v/d Walt, Brussouw and CJ Stander.....you get the picture?  

Vlagtwat, here goes with pleasure you ignorant prick

JP not at 13 but on the wing where he belongs - JJ is the obvious choice at 13, its so obvious its laughable.

What the hell is Olivier doing in the match 23, its bad enough that he is in the squad. Most our 12's are unavailable but in Heimar Williams we have a better option than old man Olivier. Hell even untested Howard Mnisi would be a better option. But back to the point, what the hell is Olivier doing in the match 23? Baby Bok, Andre Esterhuizen would be my choice after the JWC as back-up to Jan, this kid is pure class.

Morne Steyn, the worst pivot since hell knows when.......anyone would be better than this joke. Goosen is the obvious choice, but if under an injury cloud, I’d go with Boshoff, but against Scotland it would be Pollard after his return from the JWC.

du Preez at 9, I’m still waiting to see what exactly this guy is offering that is making a difference……obviously has the best boot at 9 if you want to play that kind of game, but we see nothing with ball in hand, he asks no questions. Hougaard is far far better and started finding his feet nicely for the Bulls this year. Pienaar as the back-up is a bloody insult, his performance against the World 15 was shocking. de Klerk has been outstanding for the Lions as has Reinach for the Sharks, either one of this should be ahead of past it Pienaar.

Now for the easiest selection of all. Steenkamp as the back-up loosehead is insulting, the most pathetic call I have seen in years. Every loosehead starting in the S15 is a better option along with a few back-ups. The obvious choice is Kitshoff, but Nkanyane, Mellett and Marcel v/d Merwe would all be far, far better options as Beasts back-up.

Jannie is still ok at tighthead, but it’s time for Coenie to take over with the likes of Malherbe and Marcel v/d Merwe pushing

Bakkies and Matfield are a bloody laugh. Lood, Willemse, Jacques du Plessis and Lewies are all better options. Lood proved that against Wales.

Louw has been good, but Brussouw is better. Alberts offers very little these days and impressive Jacques du Plessis would have been a far better option. As for Schalk ahead of Coetzee as a back-up, that is just regression of the highest order. Kolisi, Carr, Labascagne, v/d Walt are the players that should be our back-ups, not yet another old man.

You get the picture yet Dutchman – my guess is not?

Yeah, I don't rate Hendricks as a test player at all. Solid player but nothing special.

There is no myth in JJ, he has done no more or less than JP has done in two tests with ball in hand and that is because JP got no ball in the tests, much like JJ is not getting quality ball to work with at the Bulls. JJ's defensive stats are the best of ALL centres in the S15, so yes JJ walks it for me based on the knowledge he has proved himself already - look no further than his display with ball in hand in the last test against NZ. The fact that our idiot of a coach has discarded him, speaks volumes for the fool.

I don't care how many games Heimar has played, he is a better option than old man Olivier to cover 12 behind Jan. That's my point - Olivier is a pathetic regressive selection - end of.

Morne Steyn - my own daft opinion - try again, I don't know a single foreign supporter who rates Morne, including the Kiwi posters on here. Only stupid conservative SAn's support such an average rugby player with a good boot. You have to be a complete idiot not to work out why SA rugby has never seriously challenged the AB's while Morne has been at 10......hell do you honestly think you can beat the AB's with a plodder at 10, the most important position on the field?

Don't just open your ignorant mouth re du Preez, provide evidence of what he brings to the party other than a good boot?

Steenkamp - bwhaaahaaaa - fuck you are as stupid as our coach - enough said.

Um Coenie has played 3 all year - wake up

Bakkies and Matfield - what other choices do we have - hellooooooooo - how about a combination of any of Lood, Willemse, du Plessis or Lewies? Who cares that du Plessis has not being playing at lock, its where he has played most of his rugby. Bakkies is a passenger and Matfield a liability in the engine room. Geez can we not see this?

Coetzee has had his best season to date, you reward that.......he played out of position at 6 for the Boks when he first hit the scene, he has learnt the art of 6 under Jake and should be playing ahead of Schalk - end of. Brussouw has been awesome for the Cheetahs, he is better than Louw

As for your conclusion, that is just pathetic, childish and lacks substance - try again Dutchman.......my view has fuck all to do with bias and everything to do with the present position regarding our players. We have young talent to burn and our pathetic conservative coach has chosen to ignore that and instead invest in a side brimming with washed up hasbeens.......do you and the coach honestly think that this geriatric Bok side is going to challenge Oz and NZ in a few months and really compete at the WC.......if you do, you are even more stupid than I know you are.

There is conservatism and then you get Meyer - its insulting to the majority of those supporters who know the game - those who think Meyer is on the right track, clearly know fuck all about the game.....stick your name at the top of that list