MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Jun 2016, 15:21#1
....to transform the team to a Lions style game. It took two years for the Lions to get there, to build individual player skills and get the team to function as a cohesive unit. We are now very vulnerable to the Bargies away and even to Oz playing in RSA.....a total style change would for a time make us more vulnerable.
And after that, what would we have? A team and playing style that would beat the ABs? I don't think so.....We simply don't have the centres or wings to make a 'me too' running strategy work.
My path forward is to pick competitors, not chicken hearted players like Kriel. Shape a new team around our power forwards and play our traditional game with more skills, particularly handling improvements among the forwards. We also desperately need a power running loosie....our lack of penetration is killing us.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jun 2016, 15:32#2
A power running loosie - what is that? We need looses not what you want loosies to be - an extension of the Tight 5. We had a void in loosies on Saturday - we need performing loosies badly - players that follow the ball, can tackle and do ball protection and recovery. That was totally absent on Saturday. One or two ball carries per game does not win games - real loosies plays a full all round loosie game - not a few poor carries gaining more or less 2 meters per carry and then miss crucial tackles.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jun 2016, 15:51#5
That should be the strategy, but we have a lot of positions to fill, with the added transformation pressure. Steep hill to climb for Alistair. The loss removed all possible delusions he and everyone else might have had.
PAPakie
Captain17,321 posts
13 Jun 2016, 15:55#6
Jesse Kriel's "skill set" is a myth. He scored a good try against Australia in his first test. Then ran a good line off Pollard against the All Blacks to score. Since then...nothing. Unless you count a few runs against the USA as noteworthy.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Jun 2016, 15:59#7
His skill set in a try scoring situation on Saturday, had him hanging onto the ball far too long and then offloading forward.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jun 2016, 16:03#8
Well, we don't actually have centers barging down the door to the team locker room. I would try and get the team settled with experienced players and then start upgrading from the bench, a few at a time.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Jun 2016, 17:02#11
Sadly Dave the match stats say he made zero clean breaks and beat zero defenders.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Jun 2016, 17:54#13
Firstly, the franchise coaches must adopt the Lions style and it will then be much easier at national level.All we are asking is a bit of creativity and skill. If The Lions can do it why not other franchises with much bigger budgets?
Kriel, Allende etc are talented. Context is ignore. We could have the best talent in the world but with little team work and finnesse we would still not find it easy. Playing in this set up is being set up to fail. Mapoe is a classic example.
The game is being lost between the ears.
So Dr Moz and others draw all the wrong conclusions once again.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jun 2016, 18:59#14
Well, we a couple of known good players also played badly, so to ping only a couple is a bit daft. Something else was amiss too. Irish Suzie?
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 Jun 2016, 19:47#16
You could be right DB, this "evidence" surfaced shortly after the final whistle but the investigation is still underway That looks like Beeno in disguise mumbled the fair-minded kiwi
14 Jun 2016, 12:09#19
No ... why change our style of play?
Stay with our traditional way of playing the game.
To do this we need firstly to select on merit ... starting with a competent coach ... not this quota governmental puppet currently running the show.
Leave the Lions to play their own brand of rugby.
To have an assortment of players coming from different franchise, each with their own style, suddenly playing Lions rugby, is doomed to fail.
Bok rugby has done us well in the past and if we select properly it'll take through another 150 years.
I'll say it again ... select properly.
THTheTraditionalist
Pro4,003 posts
THTheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
14 Jun 2016, 14:27#20
It took two years for the Lions to get there, to build individual player
skills and get the team to function as a cohesive unit.
Because the SA team showed they were at this stage...
When a team of professionals come back from the locker with an even score to face a one man down team, it does not boil down to style, it does not boil down to game plan.
Every professional player knows what must be done.
It is not up to any staff coaching a professional team to teach players the minimal skill level required to turn a professional player. That job must be done before.
When a player cant crouch to pick up a ball, cant collect a deep defensive kick, trip himself when moving from a scrum, or cant grab a proper pass free of any incoming tackle, it is not about acquiring the skills to play a certain style.
It is about training players in having the level professionals are supposed to have.
