SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Apr 2024, 16:16#1
He is something else - what a player
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
08 Apr 2024, 16:46#2
Remember when I said he has that bit more than Kolbe?
Doesn't sound that crazy to say that now, huh?
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Apr 2024, 17:19#3
I can’t separate them as Kolbe is just as magic
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
08 Apr 2024, 18:20#4
For me, Kolbe isn't as dangerous as Arendse.
And their try scoring records for the Boks are evidence of that.
Arendse - Caps 15, Tries 13
Kolbe - Caps 31, Tries 14
If you only and tries, it's not even close.
08 Apr 2024, 18:52#5
Well when Arendse get,s the Ball, he usually has a open path to the try line….not always and he has improved a lot but for me, Kolbe has that ability to cut defences to shreds and score…running thru defenders like Aplon on his way to the try line….Kolbe is still a bit stronger in contact….But arendse has heaps of Talent and will get there sooner than later.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Apr 2024, 19:00#6
Mpower is spot on Kolbe has scored far more impressive tries at test level than Arendse has
08 Apr 2024, 19:16#7
Thanks Dave…that is the First time you have been nice to me : )
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
08 Apr 2024, 19:25#8
Let's see...
Rassie is the best Bok coach ever because numbers don't lie.
But Kolbe is better than Arendse because numbers do lie.
I could understand if Arendse scored maybe 25 to 50% more tries than Kolbe...but 100%!?
Cumon guys.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Apr 2024, 20:29#9
Numbers mean zero as they provide no context. Huge difference between stepping 3 or 4 players and scoring than having a straight run in with no defenders to beat
What I am saying is that Kolbe has scored more individually brilliant tries at test level than Arendse has. That to me is the true measure. Scoring a straight run in try is not a measure of how gifted you are.
Back to the subject - given these facts and how impressive both players are, I can’t separate them and say one is better than the other
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
09 Apr 2024, 02:56#11
So a step is more valuable than the ability to position one self so well that you're up there with all-time greats in terms of try scoring ratio.
Laughable!
Will Jordan is better than both of them though.
He's on 31 in 31 games.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Apr 2024, 09:37#14
Damn right beating defenders is more valuable than being in the right place but we know that Kolbe has that gift as well as does Arendse the step
One is not better than the other and try ratio says nothing as it provides no context. Jordan is brilliant but he is not better than Kolbe or Arendse
If try ratio’s were a measure fuck me we would be saying hookers were all brilliant attacking players when reality dictates they score the vast majority of their tries from the back of a line out maul
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
09 Apr 2024, 10:38#15
1. Wingers are there score tries...the more tries the better the winger.
2. Hookers main roles are scrumming and lineout throws. The more accurate the lineout throwing and the more successful the scrums the better the hooker.
I understand this is far too complicated for some.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Apr 2024, 11:33#17
Kak man Kolbe is 30 there is absolutely no reason he should be replaced
Arendse is younger so yes probably has more zip in him right now
But the facts are - Kolbe has scored more impressive tries at test level than Arendse has
Why would you want to play Moodie on the wing when he is developing nicely at 13 and we need a youngster deputising for Am as he is 30 now?
09 Apr 2024, 11:45#18
I agree with King Moodie is a excellent wing and at 13 I want to see Henco van Wyk….man that guy is tough…excellent runner with ball in hand, offloads very well and defends like a man possessed….no wonder Rassie picked him…Moodie made his big impact on the wing and my opinion that is where he should stay….and Kolbe is definitely not over the hill but a Moodie and Arendse on the wing is also a formidable move.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Apr 2024, 11:50#19
Kak man Henco v Wyk is another Jessie Kriel has no subtlety, no vision just hussle and bustle. That might work at provincial level but won’t at test level
Moodie is 100 times better - he is the real deal and his talents would be completely wasted on the wing
Moodie at 13 will be our next big thing
09 Apr 2024, 11:57#20
We will have to wait and see, but defending like a Trojan is a must attribute for a successful 13…he did defend a bit better in the last game for the Bulls, but needs more attention in that department.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Apr 2024, 12:48#22
Moodie was good defensively in his last match, was exposed in the game before in terms of defensive reads not tackles missed
Moodie is a very special player we need him at 13 not wasted on the wing
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
09 Apr 2024, 15:44#25
My word. Some of the takes on this board.
Nobody said Kolbe doesn't make great tries or isn't an exceptional player.
But...points matter. Try ratios matter.
The logic here seems to be...
Kolbe is better than Arendse because he has a better step.
First it's the emperor's clothes stuff with DDA and now it's on a completely new level where apparently a step is worth more than points.
You can't make this stuff up. I get that you guys are attached to Kolbe, I like him too...but try being at least semi-rational in your takes once in a while.
You may as well say that Klusner was a better batter than Kallis because he hit bigger sixes.
TLDR Kolbe scores 50% less tries than Arendse but is better because he steps people.
Whahahaha!!!!
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Apr 2024, 20:46#26
Kolbe has scored far more impressive tries than Arendse at test level
Being on the end of a pass with no defenders to beat requires zero skill
I’d say Arendse has been luckier than Kolbe at test level when it comes to strike rate that does not make him a better player
Watching a highlights video of Kolbe’s tests vs Arendse’s tests one would conclude Kolbe is the more impressive player
And no it’s not about stepping it’s about far far more
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
09 Apr 2024, 21:16#27
Lucky!!!
You actually can't make up this level of delusion.
Go on then, share with us with this "far far more" is that Kolbe has and Arendse doesn't.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Apr 2024, 21:32#28
Fucking wake up I said I can’t make a call on who it better
I said Kolbe has scored far more impressive test tries than Arendse
That does not mean Arendse can’t score impressive test tries
Of course it’s lucky if you are on the wing and get a straight run in with no defenders in your path. There is zero skill in being in position on the wing and receiving a pass with no defenders to beat
I’ll keep it simple for you - Arendse has scored more test tries, the majority have been pretty easy tries. Kolbe has scored more impressive test tries
Go check out their test highlights and come tell me Arendse looks better - bullshit
Arendse has scored 12 test tries with only one involving a bit of brilliance. The in out on Smith after the great Willemse break. The rest of his tries are straight run in’s bar the Oz one where he steps and falls under the cross defence. So let’s call it 2 from 12 that involved skill - case closed
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
10 Apr 2024, 00:18#30
Suck a dick, Denise, you limp twat.
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
10 Apr 2024, 04:40#32
Oh... you said "far far more"...
All I wanna know is what that is.
I guess we'll never know, huh?
lol all red faced running your mouth
Haha
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Apr 2024, 09:44#33
Oh Buttplug you are too fucking stupid to work out what I said
What part of me saying I can’t choose between the two are you struggling with you profoundly stupid idiot
Now talk us through how brilliant all of Arendse’s test tries are you exposed fool
Take your time - let me guess it was pure genius of him being out on the wing to receive those balls
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
10 Apr 2024, 12:11#35
So let's see...
There isn't much between the two...but one of them has scored twice as many tries.
And to cover his blushes, old Fattex has to rely on "luck" as an explanation.
Just like he has to rely on Emperor's Clothes tactics when he tries to convince us that the arch donkey is the best 12 in the game.
Like I said...delusional.
Haha
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Apr 2024, 18:13#36
Fuck me Buttplug you really are profoundly thick
Kindly explain to me what skill is involved receiving the ball on the wing with no defender to beat in front of you? That constitutes 80% of Arendse’s test tries.
Damn right he was lucky to be on the wing receiving the ball with no defenders to beat - it’s certainly has fuck all to do with skill you dumb idiot.
Fucking wake up man, you are an embarrassment on here
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
11 Apr 2024, 01:36#37
Ah, so luck accounts for just enough of a devaluation of Arendse's performances to place his right on par with Kolbe...because you'd like to believe there is nothing between them.
I don't think you're smart enough to understand how that, for numerous reasons, holds zero logical water.
And I'm not sure explaining to you why that is that case would help one tiny bit...Fattex!
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
11 Apr 2024, 03:14#38
Always remember, it was in this thread where these words were uttered...
"...try ratio means nothing..."
Hahahahaha!
You can't make this kak up!
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Apr 2024, 15:57#39
Buttplug telling me I’m too stupid to comprehend the utter horseshit you are coming up with is literally the joke of the hear when you consider you are too fucking stupid to work out that 90% of Arendse’s test tries involved no skill other than him being lucky enough to be out wide in his usual position receiving a ball with no defender to beat
What fucking part of this grade 1 concept do you not get you fucking monkey huh?
I don’t need to devalue Arendse, I rate him extremely highly hence this thread you blithering idiot. I rate him on par with Kolbe
I said his strike rate is of no consequence without context. Context tells us 90% of his test tries were plain and simple. Hardly the measure of his ability now is it or are you too fucking stupid to work that out.
Do me a favour and just fuck off back to your hole as you are irritatingly stupid. Responding to you is not challenging it’s fucking tiresome you bald ugly ignorant twat
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
11 Apr 2024, 16:38#40
I'm stupid?
I'm not the one that has to rely on arguments invoking luck and "but others say it is so" to prove a point.
And I'm not the one who said "try ratio means nothing"...which might just be the stupidest thing anyone here has ever said about a backline player.
It is hilarious watching you get angry when you feel a little pressed though.
You do realise this is prime indicator of actual stupidity, right?
"People with lower intellectual capacity may experience anger when disagreed with due to limited ability to process complex perspectives or engage in flexible thinking. This can lead to frustration and defensiveness when confronted with differing opinions."
Haha grade 1?