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Aussies the team with the most upside

Started by Mozart14 REPLIES1,041 VIEWS· 21 Nov 2017, 00:23
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Nov 2017, 00:23
#1
21 Nov 2017, 00:23#1
With their scrumming woes behind them Aussies are progessing. Yes they lost by a big margin against the Poms....but great breaks by the Aussies fell apart in unlucky ways....and a series of speculative grubbers by the Poms all resulted in tries. .. A now decent front row, very good loose forwards led by the lion hearted Hooper, and a very dangerous backline make them contenders. The only real weakness now is a set of rather ordinary locks. .. Australia is set in 11 or more WC positions. We are set in about 5......a huge difference. All of which makes a mockery of gleefully expressed views by some that Oz is a spent force.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Nov 2017, 04:32
#2
21 Nov 2017, 04:32#2
 They might be building nicely, but they are some ways off still.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2017, 09:51
#3
21 Nov 2017, 09:51#3
 Some years ago the well know rugby sage, Beeno the very wise, predicted that Oz would cash in on the Polynesian players issue. I predicted that this together with Ozzie smarts would make them serious contenders. Right now the Ozzies have the best backline and as Moz rightly says only lack great locks - need an Eben!!
England are looking good also. They have a good pack and a better than usual backline.
The wee abs look like they are on a decline with Scotland being the better side on the day.  Their pack was munched by the Boks and even Scotland shoved them around.  Scotland will rue not winning that test.
As for the Boks the oaks will have to accept that they will not realise their potential until merit selections of coaches players and even admin are adopted. There will be occasional successes but I would be surprised if we challenged for number one in these circumstances. We are of course the best rugby nation on earth but paying at 60% IS NOT ENOUGH TO BEAT THE WEE ABS REGULARLY. WE NEED ABOUT 70%
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Nov 2017, 14:34
#4
21 Nov 2017, 14:34#4
Beale is a double edged sword, as we saw on Saturday.....but Folau of course wasn’t playing. It’s Genia that has reignited their backline.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Nov 2017, 16:13
#5
21 Nov 2017, 16:13#5
 Ozz will be the least of our troubles in Japan come 2019.NZPOMMIEIRESCOTTY
in that order.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Nov 2017, 03:16
#6
22 Nov 2017, 03:16#6
Well they were the most of our problems in 99 and 2011.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Nov 2017, 04:06
#7
22 Nov 2017, 04:06#7
 Ja, them pesky Aussies should never be underestimated in a RWC.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
23 Nov 2017, 20:57
#8
23 Nov 2017, 20:57#8
 Australias scuum is the weakest in the world. NZ destroyed it in the RC. I don't think Aussie are the ones with the most upside. They have def improoved. But I Don't see  them being big threats in 2019. To me Ireland and NZ are the favorites.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Nov 2017, 20:57
#9
25 Nov 2017, 20:57#9

The above of Mozart reminds me of the person who lived in Bohemia and thought it was the center of Universe.


Fact is the Aussie team is even in a worse predicament than the Springboks.   Their centers must be the slowest center combination in world rugby and although strong ball carriers they are - as proved today - easily outwitted by opponents,


They have one wing who cannot think and one who is a better player.   Their Tight 5 is just about pathetic.


They have good loosies and three top class backline players - for the rest Zip


   

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
25 Nov 2017, 21:24
#10
25 Nov 2017, 21:24#10
The Australian backline is very good, unfortunately, the tight five is perhaps 7th best in the world.The loose forwards are ok, but not great.

3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
25 Nov 2017, 22:10
#11
25 Nov 2017, 22:10#11

They have some top class backs. But Scotland really exposed OZ in the set pieces, breakdown e.t.c. Their Tight Five is a big issue for them moving forward. Too much light weight their. NZ has probably the best tight five in the world atm. Even when they have no possesion. Their dominant tackles. And Structures. Allow them to counter attack so well. I guess this Scotland big win. Puts the All Blacks win againgst Scotland last WE, into perspective.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Nov 2017, 23:36
#12
25 Nov 2017, 23:36#12
Oz played 42 minutes with 14 men....before that it was a tight game.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Nov 2017, 02:12
#13
26 Nov 2017, 02:12#13

Five of the 8 trles scored by the Scots were by backline players and they totally outplayed the Aussie backline,    Granted they got good ball because of the red-carding of Kepu - weakening the Aussie forwards - the poor defense die to speed deficiency of the Aussie centers played a major role in the ultimate score,


Both centers - Kerevi and Kuridrani - are in fact too slow to contribute to a really effective backline.   Against weak defense they can break the line, but that happens rarely.   More or less on par with Kriel and very much on par with Frans Steyn.   Fact is that both will beat the poor defense of the two SA players mentioned.        

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Nov 2017, 04:36
#14
26 Nov 2017, 04:36#14
Frans Steyn wasn’t playing for Oz today.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Nov 2017, 08:23
#15
26 Nov 2017, 08:23#15

Accidents happen - and the AB's did not really do as well in the NH as expected.  

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