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Australia vs South Africa: the decline of Steven Smith's team is startling...

Started by Denny14 REPLIES276 VIEWS· 07 Nov 2016, 11:23
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Nov 2016, 11:23
#1
07 Nov 2016, 11:23#1
Too good a read ......

No matter how great the margin between South Africa and Australia in the first Test match, it would always flatter the hosts. A final gap of 177 runs was no indication of the difference between the teams.


Here was Australia at full strength, with four frontline bowlers plus a fifth smuggled in among the batsmen in case of breakdown, and more contingency planning than a Saturday morning drive across Sydney. And there was South Africa, with two overworked pace bowlers, a debutant left-arm finger spinner (which never works in Perth), and a ragtag troupe of batsmen living out their boyhood fantasies. One, Temba Bavuma, bowled stump-height to stump-height. Another, Stephen Cook, had a bowling action so minimalist he appeared not to be using either arm. This was the biggest mismatch since Agincourt.

Of course, South Africa won, and not just because one Kagiso Rabada was worth five Australians. South Africa won because they were resilient and Australia were not. On Friday morning, when Dale Steyn's series came to an end, a three-day Australian victory appeared inevitable. They had stumbled during the winter, but that was on the subcontinent, which seldom counts for much with the Australian audience. Sure-footed at home, they were cruising towards a win in the first Test match of the summer, a pattern repeating into the mists of time. This was Australia, in Australia.

When things were at their worst, South Africa reached for their best. Australia, when challenged, melted away. There was the clothing of determination and symbolism – Steve Smith bringing his men out in baggy green caps on Sunday morning to 'make a statement' – but little beneath the skin. Aided by an overwhelming home advantage, four dominant sessions to start the match, and an opponent on its knees, Australia's fortunes were mirrored by SpiderCam's: they didn't fray, they snapped.

So much credit is due to Faf du Plessis's team that perhaps it is an injustice to waste a word on the Australians. As with their bowling, so did South Africa's batting conquer the odds. Who would have thought, without more than a wicket from Steyn and a run from Hashim Amla – and without the great AB de Villiers - South Africa could match, let alone dominate, Australia? The second innings partnership between Dean Elgar and J.P. Duminy was that rare blend of salt and silk, two small left-handers who came together at the end of each over and at the end of a match-turning stand, yet in between did everything differently. Quinton de Kock was, and will be, South Africa's weapon. Bavuma, du Plessis and Vernon Philander all gave something when required with the bat.

With the ball, Rabada warranted all the advance publicity. From the tiny hamlet of Johannesburg, son of a medicine man, tutored in cricket at the Methodist village school of St Stithians College (internet warning: ironic themes), born the year after South Africa's first multi-racial elections, Rabada's talent is neither raw nor rustic. His exploitation of reverse swing, his control and his forensic examination of each Australian's weakness gave his bowling coach Charl Langeveldt goosebumps. From here to Hobart, it will give his opponents the shivers.

For Australia, there was little diversion from the shock. Usman Khawaja put to rest the recent silliness over his selection. Peter Nevill gave everything that can be hoped for from a wicketkeeper-batsman. David Warner is batting well, and the new-ball attack will improve with fitness. Beyond that, the swiftness of Australia's decline – within this match and over the past six months – is startling and, well is 'un-Australian' a thing?

A year ago, Australia were able to celebrate a speedy transition and recovery from the tumultuous flame-out of the Clarke-Haddin-Johnson-Watson era. Eight months ago, in New Zealand, Australia's future could not have looked rosier. And now they have just lost four straight Test matches and five one-dayers. The last team they were able to beat was Ireland. Their defeat in Perth is the first time Australia have lost the opening Test match of a summer since 1988. Something has gone suddenly and catastrophically wrong with a team that recently appeared to be on the bounce. Not only that, but the lack of resilience, when playing at home with every variable in their favour, did not resemble an Australian performance at all.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Nov 2016, 11:45
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07 Nov 2016, 11:45#2
 The miracle people wrote about early came to happen and the Proteas won the game.   However, as was pointed out above there is definite need for improvement in the Protea side.
The "missing" fast bowler will be selected - but the question worrying the Aussies most is when De Villiers will be fit to play.   The question also is who should be left out if and when De Villiers returns to the fray.   Surely it cannot be De Kock - so it would have to be  Cook.   That leaves an opening for an opening bat - a serious problem which could perhaps be solved by moving De Kock to open the batting together with Elgar.
problem with that is it could complicate De Kock's wicket-keeping function and the question mark over two left-hander opening the bowling.    
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Nov 2016, 14:00
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07 Nov 2016, 14:00#3
 When I mentioned how poor this Australian side is,  I was rubbished. . . . . 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Nov 2016, 14:11
#4
07 Nov 2016, 14:11#4
 Interesting....by whom?
So no credit goes to a fine Protea effort?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Nov 2016, 15:09
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07 Nov 2016, 15:09#5
 So the Dunce did the normal Mozart stance - if an SA team wins anything the opposition was weak.   What an idiot we have here,  
Barely a year ago for instance Mozart and him was at De Kock - who according to them made his centuries in ODI's in the absence of really good bowling and how he will fail against the Aussie bowlers.   So he succeeded against those self-same bowlers and they suddenly became poor bowlers.
What a farce!!!!!!!!!      
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Nov 2016, 18:29
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07 Nov 2016, 18:29#6
 The Ozzie team is a shadow of past great teams. SA got trashed in India recently.  Both teams are rebuilding...BUT, this was a great victory for SA. We wiped the floor with them with a bowler short. A rook had to lead the way. Kagiso did extremely well. I have much more hope going forward than a few months ago. Having said that, the Q system in our domestic cricket definitely makes us weaker...we are very lucky that Kagiso happens to be black.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2016, 19:41
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07 Nov 2016, 19:41#7
 Or it could that Oz is simply going through the same decline our rugby team is going through. Rabada is the one player that looks like a ten year talent.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Nov 2016, 04:07
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08 Nov 2016, 04:07#8
 Simpleton - this thread was about cricket and yes there was a decline in rugby starting in 2014 and continuing.    However, maybe - just maybe -  if they replace the simpleton we have as coach like was done in the case with a slightly better but still poor Meyer, there is a chance of rebuilding the team and of developing of a reasonable game plan.


    
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2016, 05:21
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08 Nov 2016, 05:21#9
Nope I think Oz has a talent problem. Warner, Starke and Kiwajah remain mega talents....the rest aren't. You can coach that group 24/7 and they will still be a shadow of former Aussie teams. Oz in cricket is much like the Boks in rugby. We have only Etzebeth as a likely Bok great.....no loosies, no front rowers, no backs absent Pollard. The greatest coach on the planet won't elevate the provincial talent at his disposal.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Nov 2016, 08:33
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08 Nov 2016, 08:33#10
 Why should we believe you when it is clear that Etzebeth in recent tests and Du Toit was consistently better than him?    
But then a decent coach develop players of talent and they develop as players over a period.  Meyer did nothing to develop a pool of players relying on reputation players who ended up under-performing.  
Coetzee is in the same boat.    If we had a real coach you will be surprised at what will be  happening.   However, players are developed in line with a positive game plan.   The best center in the world will look like Sh!t next to a flyhalf like Morne Steyn - same applies to other positions as well,      
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Nov 2016, 08:33
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08 Nov 2016, 08:33#11
 Why should we believe you when it is clear that Etzebeth in recent tests and Du Toit was consistently better than him?    
But then a decent coach develop players of talent and they develop as players over a period.  Meyer did nothing to develop a pool of players relying on reputation players who ended up under-performing.  
Coetzee is in the same boat.    If we had a real coach you will be surprised at what will be  happening.   However, players are developed in line with a positive game plan.   The best center in the world will look like Sh!t next to a flyhalf like Morne Steyn - same applies to other positions as well,      
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2016, 15:31
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08 Nov 2016, 15:31#12
 No Oom it's finally sinking in....ths is the worst talent crop since Re-admission. I warned you and all you could do was carp about.our great veterans. Now they are all pretty much done and where are we? Nowhere! The big question is, will we find future Habanas, JdVs, Victors, Schalks, Juan Smiths......there are no guarantees.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Nov 2016, 17:20
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08 Nov 2016, 17:20#13
 Victors successor has been superior to what Victor was in 2014 and 2015.   The list of players you listed have all been good at one stage - but useless in the two years quoted.    Your infamy about defending the indefensible penalty turn-around that caused major problems for the Springboks in the WC semi.    
So the renewal process should have started years ago.   If what our great veterans produced in 2015 was a loss against Japan - you should have listened to other peoples warning about how stupid selection of some o f the veterans quoted by you were in their declining years,   
You should stop lamenting about the so-called greats - they damaged their images by overstaying their welcome - and Meyer was stupid to persist with them instead of commencing with building up a proper squad for the future.
    
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2016, 22:56
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08 Nov 2016, 22:56#14
I wonder how long Tokkie will continue to blame Victor for flavour of the day players flopping as they have done all year. Oh sorry I forgot they needed to be groomed.....you know Habana, Schalk JdV performed from the get go....these sensitive youngsters need years of succession planing help. The stench of this hypocrisy is more and more evident.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Nov 2016, 23:53
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08 Nov 2016, 23:53#15
 I did not blame Victor for anything that was not true and you are again talking crap.   I did not say they were not good initially.   They were - but that was more than ten years ago,
Your assessment of players flopping stinks to high heaven.   The players you designated as flops  have in most cases  not flopped,    That is hypocrisy based on stinking lies and misrepresentation. 
     
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