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Australian Media vents Frustration at Referee Romain Poite

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sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
16 Sept 2013, 04:15
#1
16 Sept 2013, 04:15#1

The Roar-

http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/09/16/all-blacks-vs-springboks-the-disappointment-frustration-and-anger/

 

Saturday’s game between the Springbok and All Blacks.

It is rather challenging to be unbiased and calm about the events that took place at Eden Park, so perhaps you might allow me some leeway and forgiveness for blurting out my dissatisfaction about the game.

The more I think about it, the angrier I get, so I thought it prudent to get my thoughts down as soon as possible before I lose any sense of level-headedness.

Here goes.

When the Springboks ran out and faced the Kapa O Pango, I was filled with a sense of expectation and excitement.

This was going to be the match of the year – the All Blacks at their brilliant best, and the Springboks looking to put to bed some of their issues of the past to really challenge the World Champions.

When Kieran Read went over after a poor mistake by South Africa, where Willie le roux rushed back and Ruan Pienaar didn’t communicate with him to pass the ball inside to take responsibility, I knew the All Black lineout spelt trouble.

The most dangerous lineout is the first lineout five metres from the line of an opponent; the players have not yet had time to assess each other’s lineout, it is the best time to catch a defensive team off guard, and that is exactly what happened.

All Blacks 7-0. Game on.

At the nine-minute mark, Morne Steyn converted his first penalty goal to open the scoring for South Africa and then six minutes later, from a return kick that went high from New Zealand, the players allowed the ball to bounce.

Owen Franks collected and passed back, Bismarck du Plessis saw Dan Carter standing back and started running towards him.

Carter, in the unfortunate position of being side on, didn’t see Bismarck coming and received ball and man at virtually the same time.

Brilliant, hard, physical hit, and Carter was in trouble. Referee Romain Poite immediately stopped proceedings and a fracas erupted, where jersey pulling and a few handbags were exchanged.

Instead of asking the TMO to adjudicate on the tackle, Poite had already made up his mind that Bismarck was going to the bin for a no-arms, high tackle on Carter.

He explicitly informed the TMO to look only for foul play after the tackle.

I don’t know if the realisation of having to play the All Blacks with 14 men for the next ten minutes was just anger, disappointment or despair.

I knew we were in big trouble, New Zealand would exploit the extra man advantage to the fullest.

The All Blacks immediately recognised the opportunity to strike, and so they did, Brodie Retallick going over after a break from Beauden Barrett as their dominance was immediately apparent with the absence of Bismarck.

At the 25 minute mark Bismarck returned and it took only six minutes for the Springboks to score their first try to close to the gap to four points.

Hope and positivity made way for anger despair and disappointment, we were still in this and we had cancelled the try scored during Bismarck’s absence.

By halftime, Barrett managed to add three points to the All Blacks’ total and they were leading by seven.

The difference so far, a yellow card that resulted in a seven-point lead.

In the second minute of the second half, when Bismarck hit Liam Messam with a leading elbow, the realisation the match as a contest had finally ended was irrefutable.

I looked at the replay in ultra slow motion a few times, trying to find a reason why it should not have been a yellow card, unfortunately my initial assessment of it only being a fend is not entirely correct, it wasn’t a swinging elbow, but it did hit Messam squarely on the Adams apple.

Now I am not going to excuse Bismarck for his actions, all I can say is I don’t believe he intentionally wanted to injure Messam. The choice is yours whether you believe something else.

It took but a few minutes for Read to score his try. New Zealand led by 14 and only needed one more try to secure a bonus point.

At this point it was clear South Africa’s defence was struggling to hold out, they either had to commit numbers to the breakdown to slow the ball, or less to have an extra man in defence.

Their seven man scrum was ineffective, and in a sense it surprised me the All Blacks didn’t use their ascendancy against a seven man scrum to milk more field advantage.

But I guess that is the difference between how the southern hemisphere teams do their business compared to the northern hemisphere.

The single biggest problem for South Africa was the absolutely unbelievable poor passing of Ruan Pienaar.

I counted five passes that went to ground, inaccuracy and taking three, four, five steps before passing meant that the All Black defence had an easy time with an extra man in defence.

When Cane scored the fourth try for New Zealand, the bonus point try, the match was over, the All Blacks had gotten the maximum out of this match and South Africa were too far behind to earn any points from the encounter.

As Read was yellow carded in the 68th minute for interference in the lineout, I was wondering whether Poite at this stage had a conscience or had lost the plot.

Either way, South Africa immediately gained parity and their tempo increased, running back at the All Blacks and putting enough pressure on them in the red zone to be awarded a handful of penalties.

It wasn’t five minutes later when Ma’a Nonu got carded for an illegal shoulder charge on Jean de Villiers and, with a numerical advantage, South Africa scored their second try in the 75th minute.

Sadly they ran out of time to score a try that would have provided them with a losing bonus point.

Looking at the match for a second time gave me some hope.

No, South Africa never had a chance to win, not with 14 men, but even when they had possession they made something out of it.

They managed to gain some territory with ball in hand and as soon as they got parity in the player numbers their confidence returned and their running came improved, albeit too late to effect the result of the match – they weren’t going to score three tries in 10 minutes.

This is the highest stage, the whole rugby world was watching, so what do you do when you suspect a dangerous tackle?

You take the extra three seconds necessary when you have already called for the TMO to adjudicate on the foul play just after the tackle and confirm your initial assessment.

That is what a highly paid professional should do – make bloody sure you are right.

Poite didn’t do that, and the yellow card provided the All Blacks a seven-point lead at halftime.

When you lose a players for 38 minutes of the second half, and concede a further two tries simply because you can no longer dominate at scrum time, cannot dominate the breakdown as you need the players in the defensive line, you can no longer create overlaps with one less player, you are on a hiding to nothing against the All Blacks.

The contest is over, as you have conceded three tries while down to 14 men.

Whether you believe it to be fair to blame the referee or not. Whether you want to blame fate, the man on the moon, or whomever, the fact is the contest is over.

I don’t blame New Zealand, they took the advantage and did what was necessary, I don’t blame spectators on either side for exhibiting biased views and distasteful comments, I don’t blame the journalists for writing one-eyed, biased match reports.

But I am livid and in a serious mood to clobber the daylights out of every administrator and referee that does not do their job and are ruining the game played in heaven.

Had I a teleporter on Saturday evening, I would have been knocking a few blocks off.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
16 Sept 2013, 04:17
#2
16 Sept 2013, 04:17#2

Australia have employed Piet Van Zyl as part of their coaching team.

 

WG
What's going on?Club Pro237 posts
16 Sept 2013, 05:06
#3
16 Sept 2013, 05:06#3

Australia needs something like this to deflect from the corruption, the match fixing the drug scandals and their own sporting inadequacies that have turned the once great sporting nation of Australia into a sporting sess pool.

Everyday it's something new. Today for example a Melbourne team implicated in a match fixing scandal linked to a European syndicate.

 

Yesterday NRL final marred by ref that could'nt even count up to six and a try was awarded on the seventh play to the Sharks. Sharks also embroiled in drug taking allegations at the same time.

This was the second year in a row North Queensland had been shafted as another refereeing decision last year also cost them in the finals. Big stink and conspiracy theories abound. Petititioning for a rematch as we speak.

 

Then theres clubs being fined millions also in Melbourne AFL for drug taking.

 And Redsman comes on here to whinge about the Kiwis when his Queenslanders are being fined for chewing players dicks. LOL

You gotta admire his audacity when sporting in Australia has reached an all time low .

Too be expected i guess from the convict colony.

 

Obviously the wobbling Wobblies are'nt even worth talking about.

Especially now when there's no Kiwi coach to berate i notice our Redsmans gone very quiet about his team for some reason..Funny az our Redsman....

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
16 Sept 2013, 11:16
#4
16 Sept 2013, 11:16#4

@sharkbok,

LMFAO, :oD

the title of ur thread is australian media vents frustration at refereee roman poite

i know u love misleading titles, its a common trait here amongst folks in order to get their opinon over, but lets debunk ur lies once more, not cos its easy, but cos its important to teach people not to lie.

that article was written by blitongbek, he is a south african and also not part of the aussie media, hes a blogger like u and me.

tsk tsk tsk, thats a title which poite would be proud of.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Sept 2013, 14:01
#5
16 Sept 2013, 14:01#5

I thought exactly the same thing when I was reading this, Sasuke.

 

I'm not talking about whether I agree with the writer or not, but for TwatBok to try and pass this off as the view of the "Australian Media" is nothing short of pathetic. It's deceitful and indignant "supporters" like TwatBok who embarrass South Africans and give us a reputation for being crybabies and liars.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
16 Sept 2013, 14:20
#6
16 Sept 2013, 14:20#6

 Rooicock get back to supporting the CapeCrusaders and bootlicking NewZealand. 

Your perception of South Africans is a reflection of yourself. 

 

If you have ever travelled the world you would realise that the general perception of South Africans is actuallly positive as honest and hard working people, although their has to be exceptions like the bag of shit that you can refer to yourself as.

 

This is a Australian publication and they would not have published the article if they did not think it was newsworthy, regardless of where in the world the author originates from.

I admit that I did not see it was a South African author, however if the views of blogger conflicted to far from the ideology of the publication then it would not have been published as an article.

 

 

@Sasuke I did not realise that this was a blogger, although his standing in the blogosphere must be pretty good if his articles are getting published. 

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
16 Sept 2013, 14:22
#7
16 Sept 2013, 14:22#7

My cousin was over from Melbourne a couple of weeks ago and we were having a chat about the state of Australian sport, he's a huge sports fan and is President of a Cricket Club over there.

He's pretty appalled by the attitude towards the drug taking in the AFL. He said that the powers that be weren't bothered about sorting it out because the publicity surrounding it kept them on the front pages and in the news all the time. We both agreed that, with an attitude like that, the game is well and truly stuffed !!

 

Romain Poite had a shocking Test. That is plain and simple. It's not the first time, it's happened to all of us, with him and with other Ref's.

It's disappointing, it shouldn't happen, but sadly, when we rely on human beings, they are fallible ! Some more so than others, it would seem ( and Steve Walsh is very fallible these days !!!! )

But to have pathetic little Facebook Petitions and Witch Hunts just shows a lack of maturity.

One day something important will happen in your lives. And then you'll realise that it is, after all, just a game.

 

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
16 Sept 2013, 14:56
#8
16 Sept 2013, 14:56#8

 Sharkbok, I would've thought you may have picked up that it was a biased SA author when he wrote "I knew we were in trouble".........but I suppose that was a bit subtle for you!

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
16 Sept 2013, 14:59
#9
16 Sept 2013, 14:59#9

 It was 2:15am in the morning just before I went to sleep, after having over one bottle of wine!

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Sept 2013, 16:16
#10
16 Sept 2013, 16:16#10

Writing under the influence....................? LOL

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
16 Sept 2013, 16:48
#11
16 Sept 2013, 16:48#11

@sharkbok,
anyone can post an article on roar, even u. its no different from the many threads started here, except they refer to them as articles om roar.

@becs,
i feel the same way about these facebook pages, poite was shit no question, but the reaction by most here is very stereotypical IMO for what is known as the average Bok fan, very babyw waa waah and for the record not all saffas, but the vast majority.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
16 Sept 2013, 16:54
#12
16 Sept 2013, 16:54#12

Suzuke, getoutahere, after your loss at a RWC, at a race meeting in Christchurch there were spectators spitting at your losing coach , John Hart's horse !

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
16 Sept 2013, 17:05
#13
16 Sept 2013, 17:05#13

 When the All Blacks lost the 2007 WorldCup quarter final to France, Graeme Henry claimed in his auto-biography that he wanted an investigation into match fixing. 

 

He claimed that the IRB or the referee must be corrupt. 

His arguement was not much different to what Pieter Devilliers and his coaching team provided, and were the fans any different?

 

When the shoe is on the other foot........the kettle calls to pot black.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
16 Sept 2013, 17:59
#14
16 Sept 2013, 17:59#14

@blobbok,

u can have the extreme reactions of fans from one end of the spectrum to the other and every country has them in spades, but the crying from the saffa fans is pretty fucking pathetic, oh lets start a facebook page cos poite was shit.
how about u start a facebook page for pienaar doing a grubber in the All blacks 22 when there 5 All Blacks to 2 Boks around??? piennars lucky he wasnt born a spartan, cos they leavce their retarded kids out in the wild to die.

and u want tot talk about piss poor fan reactions, i can remember habana being subbed of in a game in SA only to be booed the Boks supporters, pretty dsigusting IMO.
and ive blogged here long enough to know that i can count on one hand the number of saffas here who dont play the ref card, its old, its boring and it makes Boks fans look like cry me a river a babies.

@sharkbok,

and graham henery wanted the NZRU to investigate and after hansne filed his report to NZRU about the RWC, there were many many discrepancies which were uncovered.

like have u ever heard of anyone being yellow carded for obstruction the way luke was???
All Blacks didnt get a penalty for the last 60mins of the game, despite being on the attack 70% of the time.
a 7-2 penalty count in favour of the french, with the IRB conceding there was at least 5 penbalties missed by barnes in the last 10 minutes.

i can go on and on, but them be the breaks.
u wanna know the saffa fans told me wehn i use to complain about barnes back then???
they told me to get the fuck over it, and now i gladly return that simple but good peice of advice.

please dont start a facebook page trying to get me banned, its not something i would put past u guys.

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
16 Sept 2013, 18:09
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16 Sept 2013, 18:09#15

 Hahahahaha Sasue ! You think the authors moniker " Biltongbek " was a gimme ? fair enough late at night with a head full of plonk is not conducive to rationality , look at all the guys with their last minute pickups leaving the pubs for verification !

AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
16 Sept 2013, 18:20
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16 Sept 2013, 18:20#16

Guys.....the issue is not about NZ or SA the issue is the poor standard of reffing in general.

The All Blacks won and that is final. They have and have always had strong performances at all levels.

The SA Boks are rated #2 in the world and thats not bad.

The technology is available and should be used at all times to evaluate and even allow the offending teams captain to challange the refs call.

The loser in all of this is RUGBY and us SUPPORTERS of this great game.

All we ask for is a fair game not bad calls or insults.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Sept 2013, 23:37
#17
16 Sept 2013, 23:37#17

You have to laugh at saSUE and warped dud crying over one match. How about those stats again provided by John Reason Boks have had twice as many yellows as abs. Or those stats re Bob Dywer.

Of course the very occassional thing happens against the wee abs. However that is precisley the point.

Don't tell me these things just happen. Come clean kiwis come clean. How much are ya paying and to who. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Who is going to spill the beans I wonder. It has to all come out sometime.

 

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
17 Sept 2013, 01:20
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17 Sept 2013, 01:20#18

Of course NZ can afford to pay off refs Hasbeeno. We're one of the wealthiest countries in the world, what with all our diamond mines..........oh, hold on, that's SA isn't it!

My bad!

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
17 Sept 2013, 11:23
#19
17 Sept 2013, 11:23#19

Blitongbek is a regular blogger on the Roar! He has singlehandedly taken over the Crown of whinging, crying and complaining from the Poms - I kid you not! His blogs are nothing but the same repetitive ref bashing theme from start to finish and then some!

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