MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2013, 07:37#1
The ABs current team are average age 27 according to one post on here. Those very youthful Wannabies averaged 26.5 in their latest match against the Lions. And the Boks? The Boks team against Scotland was average age 25.4. That Meyer never gives the new guys a chance hey?. .....OOps another inconvenient stat OOm.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2013, 07:53#2
Mozart
Not inconvenient and not at all surprising. However, when I worked out in detail the age stats of players in the Alll Blacks and Springboks teams last year - the average ages were as follows:-
* All Blacks over 29 years of age
* Springboks - 24 years of age.
Not much has changed since last year - and the average age worked out of the AB's should be at 30 and not lower - where the 27 age average is coming from is mind blowing. The SA stats seems quite near the mark - since younger players like Le Roux came into the picture - but rugby "geriatrics" like Steenkamp and Du Preez was brought in as well.
The question remains - the issue does not refer to stats - it refers to suitability and performance of players. At this stage there is only one player amongst the forwards that Meyer really brought in from outside of the experienced lot and that is Etzebeth. Amongst the backline players his only innoivation is 2 players in the starting line - up namely Engelbrecht and Le Roux (both injury-enforced).
There is no way that Meyer can be argued as anything other than an ultra-conservative coach with no idea about player performance evaluation. That is why we have so many absurd and poor experienced players in the team and also in the broader squad.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2013, 07:56#3
Oom check again. While you were saying the same old stuff again, I posted the Wallabies average age. Guess what the youthful Wallabies are a year older than the Boks.....I hear the walls crashing down.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2013, 08:45#4
Mozart
Oops -, losing it again - why the heading of the thread then? Walls crashing down - be on your guard - you are getting illogical.
Whether it is the Boks, Wallabies or All Blacks - the argument remains the same. What did Meyer produce other than the three players mentioned to rejuvenate the team? Nothing - he got stuck with the continuous under-performers - the so-called experience players who continuously let the team down. That - and not age of players are the key to the argument.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2013, 08:45#5
Mozart
Oops -, losing it again - why the heading of the thread then? Walls crashing down - be on your guard - you are getting illogical.
Whether it is the Boks, Wallabies or All Blacks - the argument remains the same. What did Meyer produce other than the three players mentioned to rejuvenate the team? Nothing - he got stuck with the continuous under-performers - the so-called experience players who continuously let the team down. That - and not age of players are the key to the argument.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2013, 15:14#11
Sasue
I have only looked at the average age of the starting line up of the All blacks and it is 27,2 years of age - would have been higher if Messam and Carter started - would in such an event be 28.
Meyer made a complete hash of his selections as per normal - which means that he has more rugby geratrics than he should have - making this type of comparisons farcical.
Must admit - Hansen did select suitable younger players bringing the age average down by 2 years if compared with a similar calculation last year. Good for him - he is doing a fine job in reducing geriatrics in the team. Can do better though - 6 of the starting team is over 30 years of age (if Carter and Messam is included) and the youngest player is Luatua at 22. The average age of the other players involved are 25,6 making for a very good situation for the future.
Meyer is hell bent on a team of Geriatrics for the WC - and the RC - so that alone is a negative.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2013, 16:16#12
These numbers bounce around depending on a few players....throw in the Bok bench against Scotland and the team number drops to 26.08. George Smith's inclusion versus an average aged Wallaby increases the age by 0.35 years. The teams are pretty much in the same area code.
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I love the way Hansen is doing a fine job according to the raving Oom whereas Meyer is hell bent on a team of Geriatrics...what a loon!
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2013, 16:30#13
Mozart
There is a huge difference in this case. Hansen takes cognisance of performance - Meyer picks older players without form and performance - that is the point. I do not mind older players like Habana and De Villiers - but I do not like non-performers like Alberts, Kruger, and even Steyn - who should be watched closely - because he may fail again like last year. Another one to watch is Jannie Du Plessis - also a iffy selection.
Anybody picking non-performers on a fictional performance basis - is in the lunatic fringe category.
