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Bakkies Botha Performances

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2014, 15:36
#1
17 Jun 2014, 15:36#1

Bakkies Botha came beack into the Springbok squad last year and he played in three tests since his return to the squad.  His combined statistics for the three matches were as follows:-


Botha

0/0

0

0/3/14

5

0

0

1

2

8/4

6/2

0

0/0


The question remains is that what is expected from a top international lock?  


*   He passed the ball three times and in 14 ball carries he made a net gain of 5 meters in carrying the ball. 


*   He off-loaded the ball once and lost ball possession twice


*   His missed tackle ratio is 33.3%


*   In three games he took 8 line -outs - two opposition throw-ins against the substandard Scottish locks.


If the above is taken into account it is clear - he is way below the standards expected from an international lock and it is beyond time he was replaced by a better performer.     




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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jun 2014, 15:45
#2
17 Jun 2014, 15:45#2

Bakkies has been average in every test he has played.......adds no value any longer for his body is past it.

 

 

Gone are his enforcer days, Lood showed exactly how an enforcer is to play......it was chalk and cheese stuff.

 

 

Bakkies should not be anywhere near the Bok side  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jun 2014, 15:51
#3
17 Jun 2014, 15:51#3

Hahahaha......the pathetic wriggling of a Katvis on the hook. Just a pity Bakkies made the TOW last week.

 

But then there is the usual lie....Bakkies scored a try last week and galloped for a whole bunch of metres. That's not in your stats is it?  Now you can tell us it wasn't against test class opposition. But remember you predicted that team would thrash the Boks.

 

Carry on deceiving.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jun 2014, 15:55
#4
17 Jun 2014, 15:55#4

Bakkies has been average at best, a shadow of his former self......no longer carries any clout as an enforcer.......Lood, Etzebeth, du Plessis, Eben and PSDT have left him in their dust.

 

 

But feel free to point out Bakkies's positive contributions......the Youtube footage is there for all to see........him making TOW is a joke, much like Matfield making it as a 4 this week........these clowns don't have a clue  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jun 2014, 16:02
#5
17 Jun 2014, 16:02#5
Sure and you do have a clue?.....But if you can predict these things, how come you got things so wrong two weeks in a row. Dave you only have one idea....youth is better than experience....and experience shows that idea is a loser.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jun 2014, 16:06
#6
17 Jun 2014, 16:06#6
 You are at your most experienced when you retire - you cant take there things to an extreme. 
Matfiled and Bakkies will struggle in the RC. Bakkies can play possibly a half but wee matfiled is a severe liability.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jun 2014, 16:10
#7
17 Jun 2014, 16:10#7
Well Bakkies according to old Clevers deceptive stats ran 14 times for 5 metres. Of course those numbers would be much better if Clever included his Worlds runs and try. But just taking them as offered.....Lood ran 7 times for 3 metres....where's the difference?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2014, 16:17
#8
17 Jun 2014, 16:17#8
 Mozart
Bullshiit - Experience without performance is a liability - not an asset.  The try Bakkies scored in a non-test game is obviously not the alpha and omega - even if you try to make it out differently.  For the rest of that game he was not up to standard in any event  - like he was in all the quoted test matches.
In half a game played by De Jager - a player you consistently belittled in the past - he did more than Bakkies did in the four matches combined.   You tried to make all kinds of false statements insofar as De Jager's performance on Saturday is concerned - so we all know where it comes from - a rugby illiterate that tries to pretend that all the has beens of the past is still good enough to play test rugby.   
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jun 2014, 16:21
#9
17 Jun 2014, 16:21#9

Moz will you be saying the same after we play sides like Oz and NZ?

 

I never said Wales would beat us.......I said I hoped they did, for I cant stand the current direction Bok rugby is taking. Its reached an all time low for me when I want the opposition to beat us only to teach our idiot of a coach that investing in a whole lot of 30 plus year olds is so obviously bloody wrong.......if you cant see that, I really feel for you.

 

Do you honestly think this geriatric Bok side is going to challenge the AB's for the top spot......hell imagine if we had been playing the AB's in their second half  performance against England......they would have slaughtered us.

 

Right now, the current Bok side is worse than Oz, NZ and England......these sides would and will beat this current Bok side.........if it was not for the one man Willie show, who knows where we would be

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2014, 17:20
#10
17 Jun 2014, 17:20#10
 Mozart
Another Mozart classic.  If the performances of a player is sub-par as confirmed by the stats - then forget about both and go with the poor and unacceptable performances of the player = provided he was a top player 6 years ago and provided he is way over 30 years of age.   What a feeble joker you are!!!!!!!
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jun 2014, 17:34
#11
17 Jun 2014, 17:34#11
 Hey Maaikie. Have you sorted out which lock scrums where yet ?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jun 2014, 17:38
#12
17 Jun 2014, 17:38#12

So if you were ranting at Bakkies:

 

"He passed the ball three times and in 14 ball carries he made a net gain of 5 meters in carrying the ball."

 

 

Explain why your man Lood, who you said had a great game, made 3 metres in 7 carries?  

 

You guys are so tied in knots trying to make your case....you contradict yourselves in every post. You blew it....just do like Genecut and admit you were wrong.

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XtramickClub Pro103 posts
17 Jun 2014, 17:52
#13
17 Jun 2014, 17:52#13
The above highlights the danger of trying to use stats to disprove a player. Those same stats are ignored when it comes to favoured players. I wouldnt just expose a youngster like Lood who has talent. Get him used to taking responsibility rather than throwing him in the deep end. If he consistently continues to outperform other locks then surely he deserves to start. Until then and given the injuries coupled with lack of experience it is wise to have Bakkies around. The argument may prove null and void if Meyer selects Flip for saturday and shows his hand as to who his real backup 4-lock is  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2014, 17:53
#14
17 Jun 2014, 17:53#14
 Mozart
The difference is easy to see.  To bring down De Jager - the Welsh needed three players and he still went forward  - to bring down Botha one is sufficient.  Get the difference?
You are stupid to think that Bakkies is still good enough to play international rugby and nobody is in nots.    But then what about saying that Steenkamp and Alberts battered down the Welsh and that made life easy for De Jager?   What a stupid comment to make - it would have been funny if it was not so ignorant.       
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jun 2014, 18:13
#15
17 Jun 2014, 18:13#15
Thanks Mike, you just admitted that naked stats can't tell the whole story. Most of the samples used are far too small to be statistically significant in any case. So stop...it's like giving matches to a child.
Nice post Mick. There is a huge difference coming on as a sub against a beaten team and having the starting responsibity in a big game. Lood  looks like a decent lock, but so do a host of other young locks...time will tell who develops and stays healthy. At this stage there are no definitive answers.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2014, 18:37
#16
17 Jun 2014, 18:37#16
 Mozart
I do not normally take the stats of one match as a norm - because players can have an off day.  However, in this case I took the three tests Botha played in over the last seven months and tried to determine a trend in performances based on those three matches.  In some aspects f the game Botha was poor - in others average.  The best one can deduct as a trend in this case is a player of average performance.
That is just not good enough on international level and I think Botha will be phased out over the next three months.    He is just not the enforcer he used to be and is weak compared to what he was 5 years ago.  
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KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
17 Jun 2014, 18:38
#17
17 Jun 2014, 18:38#17
 Hey Mike... 


http://piv.pivpiv.dk/ 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2014, 22:36
#18
17 Jun 2014, 22:36#18
 Hey Freddie
Nice to see you back.   I know you do not like my ideas about players very much - but that makes life interesting.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jun 2014, 22:44
#19
17 Jun 2014, 22:44#19
 Hey Freddie, how do you like ou Maaikie's ideas about the locks. Last week, when Victor was scrumming behind Beast, Beast's scrumming improved because Bakkies was subbed. This week, when first Bakkies and later Lood was scrumming behind Jannie, there was still problems on Jannie's side of the scrum beca use if Victor, who was scrumming behind Gurthro.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jun 2014, 22:46
#20
17 Jun 2014, 22:46#20
 I heard from the commentators that Bakkies went off injured. Just when he was injured I dont know. However he was fairly quiet.
Start with Flip and Loodt. Lets get physical with the Welsh. 
I believe the Welsh will be fired up after that humiliation. We scored two tries while they were down to 14 men. The second half was not good.Brilliance by Willie is clouding the issues. Beeno taking a sobre view of the test.









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